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Nov 26 @ 1:35 PM ET
Why? Considering that humans live in a cauldron of evolution and yet we are the only species that gained the ability to contemplate its own existence says volumes about how difficult the development of intelligent life is.
I agree there are billions and billions of planets in our universe. But the condition that created Earth (known as the circumstellar habitable zone) is extremely rare. Add that to the chance of life, and then the evolution of intelligence... I would argue being alone is just as likely as other intelligent life in the universe. - bloatedmosquito
Octopuses can recognize their own existence... we just can not talk to them so we assume they're unintelligent.
Also... there are not billions of planets in the universe, as far as astro physicians are concerned, there is a near infinite number of galaxies, solar systems and habitable planets.
Once you push that math out to near infinite, the possibility that intelligent aliens doesn't exist almost disappeared.
Octopuses can recognize their own existence... we just can not talk to them so we assume they're unintelligent.
Also... there are not billions of planets in the universe, as far as astro physicians are concerned, there is a near infinite number of galaxies, solar systems and habitable planets.
Once you push that math out to near infinite, the possibility that intelligent aliens doesn't exist almost disappeared. - Pres.cup
IMO the question isn't whether or not we are the only form of life. It is which civilization is the most advanced, and how much more advanced are they than us? What if we are in fact the most advanced life form? What if other species are scared of us because of the environment in which we evolved in making us superior in terms or strength and conditioning?
Octopuses can recognize their own existence... we just can not talk to them so we assume they're unintelligent.
Also... there are not billions of planets in the universe, as far as astro physicians are concerned, there is a near infinite number of galaxies, solar systems and habitable planets.
Once you push that math out to near infinite, the possibility that intelligent aliens doesn't exist almost disappeared. - Pres.cup
Recognizing one’s existence and contemplating one’s existence is different. We are not only rationalizing our place in the universe but rationalizing the entire universe and everything in it. It’s amazing and we don’t give ourselves the credit deserved.
We always think there’s something more intelligent out there. What if we are the most advanced?
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Nov 26 @ 2:03 PM ET
IMO the question isn't whether or not we are the only form of life. It is which civilization is the most advanced, and how much more advanced are they than us? What if we are in fact the most advanced life form? What if other species are scared of us because of the environment in which we evolved in making us superior in terms or strength and conditioning? - Retinalz
Interesting idea, I would posit that the odds of us being the most advanced species in existence is very low, I'll embellish below.
If we can agree that biological life exists off of earth(NASA found bacterial fossils on Mars) and we multiply the odds of life per star in existence 0.000000001x (~-1) = x
X= ~-1to the power of 1
We can then posit the odds of life being intelligent mathematically
(~-1 to the power of 1) this is the odds of life existing out there.
Let's call the odds of this life that mathematically exists is intelligent to be (~-1 to the power of one)/999999 to the power of 999999999(a ridiculously large number, unfathomable to the human mind)
The answer would be ~-99999999 to the power of 99999999 which coincidentally is the same number as ~-1 because.... well math and the power of infinity(~).
In closing, once life exists off of earth, it almost has to exist somewhere in a state more intelligent then on earth.
Sure, that’s theoretics. Doesn’t make it reality though.
Physics is physics, regardless of it’s on Earth or Alderaan. - bloatedmosquito
You keep saying physics, but it’s actually the current human understanding of physics. Also, Stephen Hawking is one of the greatest physicist ever and seemed to think life and contact were both possible. Again, not a tinfoil hat person but it’s pretty far from impossible which is the word you’ve used.
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Nov 26 @ 2:07 PM ET
Interesting idea, I would posit that the odds of us being the most advanced species in existence is very low, I'll embellish below.
If we can agree that biological life exists off of earth(NASA found bacterial fossils on Mars) and we multiply the odds of life per star in existence 0.000000001x (~-1) = x
X= ~-1to the power of 1
We can then posit the odds of life being intelligent mathematically
(~-1 to the power of 1) this is the odds of life existing out there.
Let's call the odds of this life that mathematically exists is intelligent to be (~-1 to the power of one)/999999 to the power of 999999999(a ridiculously large number, unfathomable to the human mind)
The answer would be ~-99999999 to the power of 99999999 which coincidentally is the same number as ~-1 because.... well math and the power of infinity(~).
In closing, once life exists off of earth, it almost has to exist somewhere in a state more intelligent then on earth. - Pres.cup
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC Joined: 12.23.2014
Nov 26 @ 2:08 PM ET
Recognizing one’s existence and contemplating one’s existence is different. We are not only rationalizing our place in the universe but rationalizing the entire universe and everything in it. It’s amazing and we don’t give ourselves the credit deserved.
We always think there’s something more intelligent out there. What if we are the most advanced? - bloatedmosquito
On top of my previous post pointing out the math, I also have to post that according to quantum physics the odds of us being the most intelligent life form in existence would be( ~-x) and x wouldn't really matter because of the power of infinity. So theoretically, from a pure math position, we are equally likely to be the most intelligent life form and not.
Kinda a cat in a box being dead and alive until it's observed.
Enter the infinate multiverse theory and we are the most intelligent on our plane of existent while simultaneously being the least intelligent form of life in other planes.
IMO the question isn't whether or not we are the only form of life. It is which civilization is the most advanced, and how much more advanced are they than us? What if we are in fact the most advanced life form? What if other species are scared of us because of the environment in which we evolved in making us superior in terms or strength and conditioning? - Retinalz
This, except the scared part. Distances and time are far too great for us to “discover” each other, let alone ever meet. I like this example...
The star Alpha Centauri (closest star to our own sun) is about 4 light-years away. What if we wanted to travel to Alpha Centauri? Our fastest rockets today move at about 20,000 mph. Alpha Centauri is 24 trillion miles away from our sun. The trip would take 1.2 billion hours or 137,000 years.
That's a long time. You can start to see that it’s virtually impossible to visit other stars - even the closest star would take hundreds of thousands of years to reach.
Interesting idea, I would posit that the odds of us being the most advanced species in existence is very low, I'll embellish below.
If we can agree that biological life exists off of earth(NASA found bacterial fossils on Mars) and we multiply the odds of life per star in existence 0.000000001x (~-1) = x
X= ~-1to the power of 1
We can then posit the odds of life being intelligent mathematically
(~-1 to the power of 1) this is the odds of life existing out there.
Let's call the odds of this life that mathematically exists is intelligent to be (~-1 to the power of one)/999999 to the power of 999999999(a ridiculously large number, unfathomable to the human mind)
The answer would be ~-99999999 to the power of 99999999 which coincidentally is the same number as ~-1 because.... well math and the power of infinity(~).
In closing, once life exists off of earth, it almost has to exist somewhere in a state more intelligent then on earth. - Pres.cup
True, but the species more advanced than us must have made a similar calculation as some point, and eventually proved to be the most advanced as their technology grew. We also don't know what kind of evolution changing events may have happened on those other planets. What religions did they have? Religion is the biggest killer of the human race becoming more advanced, are they the same? Though you are 99.9999...9% right in your assumptions, we can not say for certain that we are not the most advanced currently. Other races could have gone to war and wiped each other out, leaving all that technology unused for all we know.
My buddy had a good thought on it:
"What if evolution on out planet was brought about by advanced races, looking to eventually have warriors to fight in a war that has been raging for hundreds of thousands of years?"
I always think that is possible, because many civilizations on earth have a history that shows that beings from the sky's gave them knowledge to advance. He also thinks that certain metals needed for inter solar system/galactic travel could have been purged from out planet before we even evolved by these races.
This, except the scared part. Distances and time are far too great for us to “discover” each other, let alone ever meet. I like this example...
The star Alpha Centauri (closest star to our own sun) is about 4 light-years away. What if we wanted to travel to Alpha Centauri? Our fastest rockets today move at about 20,000 mph. Alpha Centauri is 24 trillion miles away from our sun. The trip would take 1.2 billion hours or 137,000 years.
That's a long time. You can start to see that it’s virtually impossible to visit other stars - even the closest star would take hundreds of thousands of years to reach. - bloatedmosquito
You're point? If you look at the advancement of our rockets, in a 100 years we will have ones that travel 3-5x that fast turning 137,000 years in to 27,400 - 45,666 year travel. In 200 years it could be down to a 100 year journey or less. Who knows how far we are from achieving light spend travel? could be 100 years, could be 300, could be 50(not bloody likely) for all we know.
