It’s been a long time(2005) but U of I men’s basketball has finally built a legit National championship contender again. They look incredible.

It's not exactly a new precedent. Teams have been doing this for years. The Hawks have had it done to them for years. If it can speed up the rebuild in any way, I'm all for it.
- tvetter

I don't believe any team has been allowed to play over the cap?

Struggling to pay the players already and they are going to allow teams to spend more? That there just don't make no sense to me, they had their chance but they decided to forego the 2 compliance buy outs
- BetweenTheDots

Who reported there were any compliance buyouts being considered? except for posters on here.

I don't believe any team has been allowed to play over the cap?
- BetweenTheDots

Misunderstanding. I thought you were referring to the Hawks taking advantage of teams that were over the cap.

Who reported there were any compliance buyouts being considered? except for posters on here.
- GPHawksfan

I was guilty of that, and i was surprised they didn't.

Misunderstanding. I thought you were referring to the Hawks taking advantage of teams that were over the cap.
- tvetter

I really hope so with the taking advantage👍

Glad to see the Blackhawks have such a good relationship with local and state Native American organizations. To say that they are going to START paying homage to them is incorrect. If you do your research, the Hawks have already been recognizing Native American heritage in several ways for years. Good for them for continuing to INCREASE these efforts.

Struggling to pay the players already and they are going to allow teams to spend more? That there just don't make no sense to me, they had their chance but they decided to forego the 2 compliance buy outs
- BetweenTheDots

I think you misunderstand. To get cap compliant, they would have to cut players, nobody can take them in trade, and still pay them, and then add cheaper players becoming cap compliant paying more money. That is the reason to let teams stay above the cap and so far they say for one year and then will look at it again next year.
The other reason to do this is because RFA's are not signing contracts.

Glad to see the Blackhawks have such a good relationship with local and state Native American organizations. To say that they are going to START paying homage to them is incorrect. If you do your research, the Hawks have already been recognizing Native American heritage in several ways for years. Good for them for continuing to INCREASE these efforts.
- Nmbr1

Thank you for the correction that the Blackhawks organization has been paying homage and respect to its Native American roots and relationships for a while and are increasing their efforts. Big difference from what I stated.

Thank you for the correction that the Blackhawks organization has been paying homage and respect to its Native American roots and relationships for a while and are increasing their efforts. Big difference from what I stated.
- Theo Fox

Last year, the American Indian Center of Chicago ended its long relationship with the organization, stating they will no longer affiliate "with organizations that perpetuate stereotypes through the use of "Indian" mascots." This was the main Native American group working with the team (actually, working with the Blackhawk Foundation).

The AIC seems to have become increasingly more militant recently. This movie ain’t over yet.

I think you misunderstand. To get cap compliant, they would have to cut players, nobody can take them in trade, and still pay them, and then add cheaper players becoming cap compliant paying more money. That is the reason to let teams stay above the cap and so far they say for one year and then will look at it again next year.
The other reason to do this is because RFA's are not signing contracts.
- rpeters01

As long as Jeremy Jacobs (owner of the Bruins), and architect of the lockout/hard salary cap is on the Board of Governor’s, you will not see any kind of accommodation regarding player salary relief.

Last year, the American Indian Center of Chicago ended its long relationship with the organization, stating they will no longer affiliate "with organizations that perpetuate stereotypes through the use of "Indian" mascots." This was the main Native American group working with the team (actually, working with the Blackhawk Foundation).

The AIC seems to have become increasingly more militant recently. This movie ain’t over yet.
- StLBravesFan

I don’t think it’s a matter of “if” the Blackhawks change their logo, it’s only a matter of “when”. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the Hawks changing their logo (and possible their name), but I think it’s inevitable.

I don’t think it’s a matter of “if” the Blackhawks change their logo, it’s only a matter of “when”. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the Hawks changing their logo (and possible their name), but I think it’s inevitable.
- DarthKane

Unfortunately a law may need to be pass and no decree promulgated without a law will be good enough for the militant Indian group which currently is opposed to the Blackhawks use of their long held symbol.

Apparently hurt feelings = bigotry or disparaging exploitation of the symbol the Native Americans feel is their ownership.

I feel it is obvious to most everyone that there is no attempt to mock or disrrspect their symbol. So that everyone is happy, perhaps a Blackhawks new symbol could look very similar. But I would not be surprised if the Native Indian group gripes about that as well.

I do not expect big money interests (like Uber and other services industry in California per the recent election) would spend huge dollars to influence a vote against changing the Blackhawk logo.

I suppose it is our civic duty to uphold the sensitivity that the Native American Indians decry. You never know if someone within or associated to that group, would go postal. They have, after all, defaced the Blackhawk statue outside The United Center.

So my vote is to appease them. I feel they are immature crybaby looking for attention and I am not sold on their legal right to force the Blackhawks to change their logo. Their heritage matters but they are pressing the issue beyond the point of contention for reasons we should not lamblast. But violence begets violence so by all means just give in to them

As long as Jeremy Jacobs (owner of the Bruins), and architect of the lockout/hard salary cap is on the Board of Governor’s, you will not see any kind of accommodation regarding player salary relief.
- LAHawk

I’m guessing that Rocky is more a follower of Jacobs and the hard-liners than he is of the “accommodaters”.

As long as Jeremy Jacobs (owner of the Bruins), and architect of the lockout/hard salary cap is on the Board of Governor’s, you will not see any kind of accommodation regarding player salary relief.
- LAHawk

Jacobs is the worst.

I am trying to see how the NHLPA can see past any bad raps that will be added when players start giving quotes that sound greedy and entitled.

The entire NHL hockey world was so good to come together on their end of the year solution that figured things would be so much better by the 2020-21 season rolling in, that there would be more fans in the stands and that ain't happening due to the super spreaders out there.

I hope the players suck it up and somewhat cave for the sake of return to play.

I really understand why employees and owners do draw lines in the sand, but hopefully they see trying to start up and getting their sweaters and face back on TV helps their personal brands as well as the owners.

I’m guessing that Rocky is more a follower of Jacobs and the hard-liners than he is of the “accommodaters”.
- StLBravesFan

The owner from Vegas is quite powerful and was not around when the hard cap and lockout occurred.

Jacobs is the worst.

I am trying to see how the NHLPA can see past any bad raps that will be added when players start giving quotes that sound greedy and entitled.

The entire NHL hockey world was so good to come together on their end of the year solution that figured things would be so much better by the 2020-21 season rolling in, that there would be more fans in the stands and that ain't happening due to the super spreaders out there.

I hope the players suck it up and somewhat cave for the sake of return to play.

I really understand why employees and owners do draw lines in the sand, but hopefully they see trying to start up and getting their sweaters and face back on TV helps their personal brands as well as the owners.
- wiz1901

I've been calling it "cap amnesty" for six months and still believe it must happen.

I don’t think it’s a matter of “if” the Blackhawks change their logo, it’s only a matter of “when”. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the Hawks changing their logo (and possible their name), but I think it’s inevitable.
- DarthKane

The last Indian team standing won't be the last for long...

The last Indian team standing won't be the last for long...
- rpeters01

Which teams with Native American connotations are left?

Atlanta and Cleveland, Kansas City in NFL, San Francisco in the NBA, Chicago in the NHL....

I guess the Winterhawks still use the Blackhawk logo, not sure about any other CHL teams.

The owner from Vegas is quite powerful and was not around when the hard cap and lockout occurred.
- rpeters01

Bill Foley is not powerful as far as the NHL board of governors is concerned. Molson, Dolan, Jacobs and Rocky are the powers. Jacobs alone pushed for the lockout, and the other owners went along with it.

You can see his philosophy in the contracts given out by the Bruins. Although a very successful team, they never have cap problems.

He also didn’t do anything to help out his team or arena employees, and has been cutting payroll in his major holding Delaware North.

Which teams with Native American connotations are left?

Atlanta and Cleveland, Kansas City in NFL, San Francisco in the NBA, Chicago in the NHL....

I guess the Winterhawks still use the Blackhawk logo, not sure about any other CHL teams.
- StLBravesFan

Cleveland dropped their logo last year. You would know more about the Braves than me?

Bill Foley is not powerful as far as the NHL board of governors is concerned. Molson, Dolan, Jacobs and Rocky are the powers. Jacobs alone pushed for the lockout, and the other owners went along with it.

You can see his philosophy in the contracts given out by the Bruins. Although a very successful team, they never have cap problems.

He also didn’t do anything to help out his team or arena employees, and has been cutting payroll in his major holding Delaware North.
- LAHawk

What happens if a group of non board owners tells the board to "take their league and go f themselves?" Still have to have peace among a large majority of owners.

What happens if a group of non board owners tells the board to "take their league and go f themselves?" Still have to have peace among a large majority of owners.
- rpeters01

The Board of Governors is made up of one representative (the owner, there are alternate governors) from each team. Just like any other organization, usually through seniority and or force of personality, some become more powerful as the others. I don’t think costing the owners more losses to bail out 7 teams that are currently over the determined salary cap figure is going to cause owner harmony.

Look at Chicago and Boston. No big free agent signings, under the cap, core businesses struggling during the pandemic. Think they care that Arizona is over the cap? The NHL has combined/shut down teams before, let alone move them.

The NHL has survived rival leagues before, the WHA being the most recent. What are these dissident owners going to do?

The Board of Governors is made up of one representative (the owner, there are alternate governors) from each team. Just like any other organization, usually through seniority and or force of personality, some become more powerful as the others. I don’t think costing the owners more losses to bail out 7 teams that are currently over the determined salary cap figure is going to cause owner harmony.

Look at Chicago and Boston. No big free agent signings, under the cap, core businesses struggling during the pandemic. Think they care that Arizona is over the cap? The NHL has combined/shut down teams before, let alone move them.

The NHL has survived rival leagues before, the WHA being the most recent. What are these dissident owners going to do?
- LAHawk

Time will tell? Are there really only 7 teams over when unsigned players are factored in?

Cleveland dropped their logo last year. You would know more about the Braves than me?
- rpeters01

I was talking about team names as well as logos.

The Braves logo still includes the tomahawk, I think - the Chiefs still have the arrowhead. The Warriors have the Golden Gate Bridge.