Jets need to fix this chemistry thing. They don't look like they are having fun. If there is an bumhole in the room Chevy needs to fix it, if there is no bumhole in the room then Maurice needs to fix it.

**EDIT** - my grammar was correct the way i drafted the post...
- 2.0

Chevy needs to reach out and fix things with the big man. Which means trading Lazy Laine. If the return is right, they get back the tough to play against culture. Add a Hendricks type or two on the cheap. Get back to Jets that no one wanted to play against. Just my toonie from the outside looking in.

I have a couple problems with trading Laine.

1.The first being that replacing a natural scoring talent can not just be replaced. In the last 10 years, only maybe Kyle Connor has shown to be able to score at his rate. If you can replace goal scoring talent for a natural top 2 defenseman of similar age like Provorov, I could live with it.
2. Any trade for a package of players leading into expansion just increases the value of whatever we are giving up with the expansion draft. Currently, we are likely to lose Copp or Roslovic to expansion. If you trade Laine for a package of players, what is being is being exposed for expansion and what coming back is expansion protected?

They got goalie’d. Happened to us against Fleury. Happened to Washington like 5 times. It happens.
- Rexypoo

getting goalied is just an excuse for your scorers dropping the ball.

all those teams lost, making excuses like goalied is weak and doesn't change what happened.

They need Patrik Laine to live up to his potential - a 40-50 goal scorer (pro-rated to the actual length of the season).
- bennythehat

It's nuts how people put such a high value in Laine. Connor manages to score at a very comparable rate, AND, can pass, skate, back-check. Nuts. Trade Laine while his value is high, because his stock could easily plummet if he doesn't shore up some of his many glaring issues.

And what do the Jets need to address most? Defense. Statsny will bridge the gap while Perfetti develops for another season, then Chevy will need to re-assess if the kid is ready. Maybe a cash strapped team like Edmonton is willing to take a loss and trade Nurse for Demelo? No clue, but somewhere out there, there is a team willing to take a loss to shed some cap space.

It's nuts how people put such a high value in Laine. Connor manages to score at a very comparable rate, AND, can pass, skate, back-check. Nuts. Trade Laine while his value is high, because his stock could easily plummet if he doesn't shore up some of his many glaring issues.

And what do the Jets need to address most? Defense. Statsny will bridge the gap while Perfetti develops for another season, then Chevy will need to re-assess if the kid is ready. Maybe a cash strapped team like Edmonton is willing to take a loss and trade Nurse for Demelo? No clue, but somewhere out there, there is a team willing to take a loss to shed some cap space.
- bikeguy99

Its nuts how you and so many others undervalue and simply hate Laine.

Connor was having his most productive season playing with Laine who's a great passer, his glaring issues aren't really glaring, that's overblown nonsense.

Heard an interesting stat yesterday, Connor, Scheifele and Laine were all on pace for their most productive seasons of their careers before they were split up.

It's nuts how people put such a high value in Laine. Connor manages to score at a very comparable rate, AND, can pass, skate, back-check. Nuts. Trade Laine while his value is high, because his stock could easily plummet if he doesn't shore up some of his many glaring issues.

And what do the Jets need to address most? Defense. Statsny will bridge the gap while Perfetti develops for another season, then Chevy will need to re-assess if the kid is ready. Maybe a cash strapped team like Edmonton is willing to take a loss and trade Nurse for Demelo? No clue, but somewhere out there, there is a team willing to take a loss to shed some cap space.
- bikeguy99

So... you wanna trade Laine because of issues you say he has, and because you don’t believe in his potential... but then compare him to Kyle Connor whom is both A: worse at the attributes you listed as positives for him (aside from skating, obviously), and B: has more glaring weaknesses than Laine?

And you follow this up by suggesting the Jets trade DeMelo for a more expensive and less effective defenceman in Nurse? Even though our left side on defence is about to be an enormous strength, and we have nothing coming up on the right side?

It's nuts how people put such a high value in Laine. Connor manages to score at a very comparable rate, AND, can pass, skate, back-check. Nuts. Trade Laine while his value is high, because his stock could easily plummet if he doesn't shore up some of his many glaring issues.

And what do the Jets need to address most? Defense. Statsny will bridge the gap while Perfetti develops for another season, then Chevy will need to re-assess if the kid is ready. Maybe a cash strapped team like Edmonton is willing to take a loss and trade Nurse for Demelo? No clue, but somewhere out there, there is a team willing to take a loss to shed some cap space.
- bikeguy99

I wouldn’t be quick to say nurse for Demelo is a loss for edmonton. We now have Demelo ( a very good defencive defenceman locked up for years at a great price, I’m not trading that. ) especially for a D who gives up as many high danger chances as Nurse, which is exactly what Winnipeg needs to clean up and Nurse is a year away from UFA status.

The media and twitter is exaggerating our D significantly!!! Are they great, no way, are they bottom ten in the league, nope.

I have no issue adding another top 4 D at all as long as it doesn’t block Samberg and Heinola long term.

Morrisey - Demelo
Samberg/Heinola - pionk
forbot - Poolman

Beau
Niku
Sbisa


This is not horrible!!! Not great but far from horrible.
People often confuse and exaggerate talent with the name and contract of a player.

I’ll also remind everyone saying our D hasn’t changed to look again at my top 6. Demelo played 13 games, that’s it for us last year. Heinola and Samberg played less than that and Forbot wasn’t with us. So our D to start the year will be at least 50% new.

I wouldn’t be quick to say nurse for Demelo is a loss for edmonton. We now have Demelo ( a very good defencive defenceman locked up for years at a great price, I’m not trading that. ) especially for a D who gives up as many high danger chances as Nurse, which is exactly what Winnipeg needs to clean up and Nurse is a year away from UFA status.

The media and twitter is exaggerating our D significantly!!! Are they great, no way, are they bottom ten in the league, nope.

I have no issue adding another top 4 D at all as long as it doesn’t block Samberg and Heinola long term.

Morrisey - Demelo
Samberg/Heinola - pionk
forbot - Poolman

Beau
Niku
Sbisa


This is not horrible!!! Not great but far from horrible.
People often confuse and exaggerate talent with the name and contract of a player.

I’ll also remind everyone saying our D hasn’t changed to look again at my top 6. Demelo played 13 games, that’s it for us last year. Heinola and Samberg played less than that and Forbot wasn’t with us. So our D to start the year will be at least 50% new.
- Ross77

I just don't see DeMelo as a top 4 dman and a long term injury to Pionk or Morrissey could sink them quick.

Forbort should be okay, I'm starting to think Heinola might get left in Finland for the entire season considering they can slide his ELC and how screwed up this season is.

There could be a bit of growth from Poolman so that's hard to account for and with Niku putting some weight/muscle on maybe he can push for a spot, doubtful but ya never know and if he does that could make all the difference, the kid can obviously skate and move the puck.

The biggest improvement on the Jets defense might be from there being no more Tony Bitetto.. 😂

Any word on the crash Samberg got in? That might have an impact on his mental health this season, if there's an AHL season that might be the best place for him to start, less pressure might be in order for the kid.

I fully expect Beaulieu to be on the third pair with Poolman and Sbisa to be the #7/8 guy.

So anything could happen, some guys like Niku could surprise and that'd change things dramatically but as of right now this D core is bottom 10 in the league, really it could be bottom 5, it isn't much better then some of the worst teams in the league's D cores are.

I just don't see DeMelo as a top 4 dman and a long term injury to Pionk or Morrissey could sink them quick.

Forbort should be okay, I'm starting to think Heinola might get left in Finland for the entire season considering they can slide his ELC and how screwed up this season is.

There could be a bit of growth from Poolman so that's hard to account for and with Niku putting some weight/muscle on maybe he can push for a spot, doubtful but ya never know and if he does that could make all the difference, the kid can obviously skate and move the puck.

The biggest improvement on the Jets defense might be from there being no more Tony Bitetto.. 😂

Any word on the crash Samberg got in? That might have an impact on his mental health this season, if there's an AHL season that might be the best place for him to start, less pressure might be in order for the kid.

I fully expect Beaulieu to be on the third pair with Poolman and Sbisa to be the #7/8 guy.

So anything could happen, some guys like Niku could surprise and that'd change things dramatically but as of right now this D core is bottom 10 in the league, really it could be bottom 5, it isn't much better then some of the worst teams in the league's D cores are.
- JetFuel

If Morrissey doesn’t recover, Pionk regresses, and Niku and the kids are left off the roster... we might actually have the worst blueline.

Dylan DeMelo standing alone is not gonna be good, regardless of how quietly excellent he actually is

If Morrissey doesn’t recover, Pionk regresses, and Niku and the kids are left off the roster... we might actually have the worst blueline.

Dylan DeMelo standing alone is not gonna be good, regardless of how quietly excellent he actually is
- Rexypoo

It's time to let Samberg, Heinola, Niku and Stanley get some playing time this season. With no minor leagues, junior and oversea leagues playing then keep the kids with the Jets and fit them into the roster to get experience and to rest some of the vets.

It's time to let Samberg, Heinola, Niku and Stanley get some playing time this season. With no minor leagues, junior and oversea leagues playing then keep the kids with the Jets and fit them into the roster to get experience and to rest some of the vets.
- islansjet

I’m all for Stanley showing up in camp, and taking a job, but he’s getting 0 gimmes from me. He’s struggled with the Moose to this point.

I’m all for Stanley showing up in camp, and taking a job, but he’s getting 0 gimmes from me. He’s struggled with the Moose to this point.
- Rexypoo

I kind of feel Stanley gets a bad rap since he didn't make the impact many fans expect out of a first rounder. Some of that is lost time to injury like his recovery for knee surgery and also that it takes longer for big guys to not be so awkward. His big issue is consistency and him getting accustomed to NHL speed. Some times his pinches and angles are ill timed. That was something Bitetto could never compensate for and I would of preferred Stanley or Niku learning from those mistakes.

At times, Stanley has been their best defenceman and was the biggest reason the Moose did a late season push 2 years ago for the playoffs when all of their big guns on the farm were called up. You have to wonder what his mindset is right now with the kids knowing a left spot is open and he needs to make a good show to not be jumped by Samberg.

It's time to let Samberg, Heinola, Niku and Stanley get some playing time this season. With no minor leagues, junior and oversea leagues playing then keep the kids with the Jets and fit them into the roster to get experience and to rest some of the vets.
- islansjet

So who are you going to sit - Morrissey, Pionk, Poolman, DeMelo, Sbisa, Beaulieu and Forbort? If these NHL inexperienced guys are going to play, someone has to sit.

Guess what happens if you play too many "kids?"

You are not competitive, you miss the playoffs and guess whose head rolls for the team's failure? It's not the players heads.

You have to gradually work them in, whether it's due to injury or otherwise. Maybe Samberg to the Moose to star, Heinola stays in Finland for one more year, then Bingo! Stanley? Niku?

I kind of feel Stanley gets a bad rap since he didn't make the impact many fans expect out of a first rounder. Some of that is lost time to injury like his recovery for knee surgery and also that it takes longer for big guys to not be so awkward. His big issue is consistency and him getting accustomed to NHL speed. Some times his pinches and angles are ill timed. That was something Bitetto could never compensate for and I would of preferred Stanley or Niku learning from those mistakes.

At times, Stanley has been their best defenceman and was the biggest reason the Moose did a late season push 2 years ago for the playoffs when all of their big guns on the farm were called up. You have to wonder what his mindset is right now with the kids knowing a left spot is open and he needs to make a good show to not be jumped by Samberg.
- Napolean-Mennonite

The man simply cannot skate well enough to survive at the NHL level. You don’t want a player multiple seasons into their AHL development still having a massively exploitable weakness for players at the same level.
The wheels just aren’t there, and Stanley doesn’t have the skill or hockey IQ to make up for it.

The man simply cannot skate well enough to survive at the NHL level. You don’t want a player multiple seasons into their AHL development still having a massively exploitable weakness for players at the same level.
The wheels just aren’t there, and Stanley doesn’t have the skill or hockey IQ to make up for it.
- Rexypoo

Haven't seen the kid play.

So is that the consensus feeling by all?

If Morrissey doesn’t recover, Pionk regresses, and Niku and the kids are left off the roster... we might actually have the worst blueline.

Dylan DeMelo standing alone is not gonna be good, regardless of how quietly excellent he actually is
- Rexypoo

you can make up 3 what ifs for every team in the NHl and they are all screwed

Haven't seen the kid play.

So is that the consensus feeling by all?
- grahamzky

sadly yes, I hope he can continue to improve but he struggles to even pivot from skating forward to backwards

Haven't seen the kid play.

So is that the consensus feeling by all?
- grahamzky

Rexy has seen every NHL, AHL, KHL, and Junior Prospect play multiple times so I am prepared to agree with his assessment of Stanley.

Haven't seen the kid play.

So is that the consensus feeling by all?
- grahamzky

Not by me!

I believe in Logan Stanley. He should be ready to play in a year. My opinion!

It's nuts how people put such a high value in Laine. Connor manages to score at a very comparable rate, AND, can pass, skate, back-check. Nuts. Trade Laine while his value is high, because his stock could easily plummet if he doesn't shore up some of his many glaring issues.

And what do the Jets need to address most? Defense. Statsny will bridge the gap while Perfetti develops for another season, then Chevy will need to re-assess if the kid is ready. Maybe a cash strapped team like Edmonton is willing to take a loss and trade Nurse for Demelo? No clue, but somewhere out there, there is a team willing to take a loss to shed some cap space.
- bikeguy99

I agree Bikeguy. Connor is an extremely talented hockey player and quite frankly I'd rate him as a top-two forward talent on the Jets along with Scheif. He is also getting better every year. I was super pumped when he signed that long-term contract. He does it all.

Laine still has to shake off that one-dimensional player image. Every yer though he has gotten better defensively so its just a matter of finding a center match and we could see a great season from him. I believe Statsny will be the answer short term and if Laine sticks around he will be a very happy camper with Perfetti at center.

I haven't seen Stanley play, saw a couple interviews and believe in his work ethic. If there is a chance for him to make it with his skillset it wont be lack of effort that stops him - footspeed might.

The game has changed so much since 2005 when clutching, grabbing, interfering etc. was cracked down on. (is the hockey more entertaining though??). The game began to increasingly favour the quickest and shiftiest while the chess game, battle scarred and enforcers disappeared. The speed dynamic really started making a difference when the Junior players - who had developed with the new rules in place - began to be drafted. More than ever it became a young mans game, with the exception of other exceptional skaters (Cullen comes to mind).

Where this impacts the Jets is with players like Stanley, Lowry, Dano and Laine. Speed, player on ice discipline and video coaching has never been more refined. The result is there is less and less room to work with - penalizing the less quick players more. Every team has more speed every year. The league caught up to and passed Dano, maybe Lowry, sounds like Stanley has an uphill battle and my fear is that Laine gets stymied by the same growth in the speed curve - there just wont be enough space for him to do what he does best. Hoping he proves me wrong.

Rexy has seen every NHL, AHL, KHL, and Junior Prospect play multiple times so I am prepared to agree with his assessment of Stanley.
- bennythehat

I know this is sarcasm, but I’m ashamed of how accurate it really is.

I agree Bikeguy. Connor is an extremely talented hockey player and quite frankly I'd rate him as a top-two forward talent on the Jets along with Scheif. He is also getting better every year. I was super pumped when he signed that long-term contract. He does it all.

Laine still has to shake off that one-dimensional player image. Every yer though he has gotten better defensively so its just a matter of finding a center match and we could see a great season from him. I believe Statsny will be the answer short term and if Laine sticks around he will be a very happy camper with Perfetti at center.
- jetsnation

Can you explain why Connor sees such a steep drop off in production away from Scheifele if he’s such a high end player?
Or how he is invariably destroyed in defensive situations, but somehow remains a top two-way winger?

You would think a player of that caliber with those skill sets would eventually start to show evidence of any of it.

Haven't seen the kid play.

So is that the consensus feeling by all?
- grahamzky

I would give him a B- or C+. The important thing for him is playing time and patience. He will be an NHL player one day although it's a long shot to expect him to be a top 2. To also put things into perspective, Tucker Poolman is 27 and didn't make the team full time until he was 26. Logan Stanley is 22. When Dustin Byfuglien was 22, he played 9 games with the Blackhawks splitting time in the AHL. Big guys need time.

Not by me!

I believe in Logan Stanley. He should be ready to play in a year. My opinion!
- TheUltimateJet

Hope he turns out like Chara.