Daily Riddle:

How do the Jets make Copp into a 15-20 goal scorer ?

Play him with Schiefele and Laine for 82 games.

I’m not overrating Perreault, I’m giving him a chance to rebound to his former capabilities. He was a top line forward up until 18-19, so I’m willing to give him some leash. If he’s done, he moves down.

As for one Andrew Copp, I do believe you are severely underrating him.
Not only was he the league’s best penalty killer last season, he was also the 3rd best forward on the Jets in terms of his impact. Only Ehlers and Scheifele offered more to the team last season than Copp up front.
Even counting Hellebuyck’s Hart level performance, and the likelihood of DeMelo being in the top ranks as well due to him having the second highest WAR on our blueline even though he only played 10 games for us, that still makes Andrew Copp comfortably a top 5 player for the team heading in to this next season.

As for the lineup, you’ve got:
- A top line that has been destroyed on a nightly basis for two years.
- A third line that will continue to not score due to the absence of a shooter. This is a lesson Maurice continues to ignore.
- A 4th line where you ask a rookie Harkins and Mason Appleton to carry an AHL caliber centre
- A top pairing with Sanheim playing his off-side, which almost always comes with a fall off in performance.
- A second pairing that would get absolutely obliterated due to both Beaulieu and Poolman only being #6 defenceman at 100% health.
- A third pairing that, while likely extremely good, is a total waste of your current #1 defenceman’s talent. With the possible bonus of pissing off your newest signee in a time where the Jets’ reputation among players is very, very much in jeopardy. Not to mention now paying 3mil for a guy in a position where 800k would do.
- Rexypoo

Perreault has been a very good player for the Jets. That I won't disagree. But father time plays no favorites. He is now slower and more brittle. Time to pass the torch here.

Andrew Copp? Don't get me wrong, I love Andrew Copp. He is a very good player. He can play on my Jet team anytime, just not higher than the third line, but capable of filling in for short periods on the 2nd line. But no higher on regular basis. Just doesn't have the offensive capabilities to play higher.

Your other comments? Interesting read! Each to their own.

Laine and Pionk for Koneckny, Sanheim and 1st or Farabee is pretty bad for the Jets and does absolutely nothing to improve them, at best it's a lateral move but realistically it makes them much worse.

Chevy should've made the D.Toews or R.Murray trade or both even, acquiring both of those guys would of drastically improved this mediocre D core.

Rexy does overrate Copp but Copp is much better then Lowry, nothing changes with this team until the 3C position is improved.
- JetFuel

Oh I'm not sure the Flyers would make the deal, that's the problem. Would be interesting to ask a Flyers fan.

IMO, the Jets would be better off instantly after this deal, and would be far better going forward with more cap certainty. Our offense would be just as good, or better, and the Sanheim, who can play the right side, would be an upgrade, with the future looking brighter. Farabee, or a 1st, would be gravy!

Think Copp or Gustafsson will be 3rd line centre next season, forget that father Dave Lowry is assistant coach. Hockey will trump family relations.

But I know where you're coming from, and doubt the proposed deal ever happens. But it gives us a conversation piece, doesn't it?

Showing you our difference of opinion:

Over-rated:
1. Dallas
2. Calgary
3. Pittsburgh
4. St. L.
5. Philly

Under-rated:
1. Montreal
2. Wash
3. NYI
4. Buff
5. Tor (1967 all over again?)

Watch out for the Sens - but not this year!
- grahamzky

How can you list the Leafs as under rated when everyone is already handing them first place in the all Canadian division and a top 5 cup contender?

Oh I'm not sure the Flyers would make the deal, that's the problem. Would be interesting to ask a Flyers fan.

IMO, the Jets would be better off instantly after this deal, and would be far better going forward with more cap certainty. Our offense would be just as good, or better, and the Sanheim, who can play the right side, would be an upgrade, with the future looking brighter. Farabee, or a 1st, would be gravy!

Think Copp or Gustafsson will be 3rd line centre next season, forget that father Dave Lowry is assistant coach. Hockey will trump family relations.

But I know where you're coming from, and doubt the proposed deal ever happens. But it gives us a conversation piece, doesn't it?
- grahamzky

I don't think it does at all, it makes the Jets worse and the powerplay would take a major hit without Laine.

Personally I think all of those pieces you suggested from Philly are overrated and Farabee is a NY kid, good chance he'd be looking for his most direct route out of Winnipeg, there's a reason why the Jets draft so many kids from Finland and Sweden...

That'd be great but I doubt it, it'll be same old same old with that 3rd line and I'm guessing that Lowry will be signing a new contract with the Jets in the offseason of 2021 similar to the contract B.Tanev signed with the Pens.

How can you list the Leafs as under rated when everyone is already handing them first place in the all Canadian division and a top 5 cup contender?
- Ross77

Kind of new that question would come up, but I don't think most believe that they are actually legitimate Cup contenders.

Leafs picked up veterans Thornton, Bogosian and Simmonds - veteran leadership. Can you just imagine the hue and cry if the Jets added these "oldies?" If Zack has his head and body healthy, I think he'll help them a lot. Toughness!

So yes, I know they are highly rated already in some places, I think most fans just believe it will be, well, just the Leafs again. I don't.

Kind of new that question would come up, but I don't think most believe that they are actually legitimate Cup contenders.

Leafs picked up veterans Thornton, Bogosian and Simmonds - veteran leadership. Can you just imagine the hue and cry if the Jets added these "oldies?" If Zack has his head and body healthy, I think he'll help them a lot. Toughness!

So yes, I know they are highly rated already in some places, I think most fans just believe it will be, well, just the Leafs again. I don't.
- grahamzky

Covid affects the aged the most. Could be an issue with the Leafs' roster.

I’m not overrating Perreault, I’m giving him a chance to rebound to his former capabilities. He was a top line forward up until 18-19, so I’m willing to give him some leash. If he’s done, he moves down.

As for one Andrew Copp, I do believe you are severely underrating him.
Not only was he the league’s best penalty killer last season, he was also the 3rd best forward on the Jets in terms of his impact. Only Ehlers and Scheifele offered more to the team last season than Copp up front.
Even counting Hellebuyck’s Hart level performance, and the likelihood of DeMelo being in the top ranks as well due to him having the second highest WAR on our blueline even though he only played 10 games for us, that still makes Andrew Copp comfortably a top 5 player for the team heading in to this next season.

As for the lineup, you’ve got:
- A top line that has been destroyed on a nightly basis for two years.
- A third line that will continue to not score due to the absence of a shooter. This is a lesson Maurice continues to ignore.
- A 4th line where you ask a rookie Harkins and Mason Appleton to carry an AHL caliber centre
- A top pairing with Sanheim playing his off-side, which almost always comes with a fall off in performance.
- A second pairing that would get absolutely obliterated due to both Beaulieu and Poolman only being #6 defenceman at 100% health.
- A third pairing that, while likely extremely good, is a total waste of your current #1 defenceman’s talent. With the possible bonus of pissing off your newest signee in a time where the Jets’ reputation among players is very, very much in jeopardy. Not to mention now paying 3mil for a guy in a position where 800k would do.
- Rexypoo

"where the Jets reputation among players is very, very much in jeopardy"

This doesn't get mentioned cause the majority of fans are Jets management fanboys/girls and almost everyone of the local media will never consider this as a possibility or question anything management does but it's definitely true and out there amongst players, players talk, agents talk and the hockey world/community is pretty small, not a good look for the smallest market in the league that has as much working against it as the Jets do.

Kind of new that question would come up, but I don't think most believe that they are actually legitimate Cup contenders.

Leafs picked up veterans Thornton, Bogosian and Simmonds - veteran leadership. Can you just imagine the hue and cry if the Jets added these "oldies?" If Zack has his head and body healthy, I think he'll help them a lot. Toughness!

So yes, I know they are highly rated already in some places, I think most fans just believe it will be, well, just the Leafs again. I don't.
- grahamzky

On paper I have the leafs worse than they were last year. Not sure a fourth line with a combined age of 110 is they way I’d go.

"where the Jets reputation among players is very, very much in jeopardy"

This doesn't get mentioned cause the majority of fans are Jets management fanboys/girls and almost everyone of the local media will never consider this as a possibility or question anything management does but it's definitely true and out there amongst players, players talk, agents talk and the hockey world/community is pretty small, not a good look for the smallest market in the league that has as much working against it as the Jets do.
- JetFuel

What evidence is there of this?

What evidence is there of this?
- Ross77

-My source
-Many players wanting out of the organization

What evidence is there of this?
- Ross77

Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

Kane and Frolik are whatever. Makes sense. One was determined to leave on arrival, one didn’t seem to make the decision himself.

The Byfuglien and Enstrom is very bad news, as is Chairot talkin sh*t about previous coaching in Montreal. Rumours now popping up about Laine wanting out is very bad. All of the players having spoken out or been visibly disgruntled in interviews over the past two years is not good, especially when 3 of them are Scheifele, Copp, and Perreault (AKA the man, the poster child of underutilization, and the one who says whatever he wants).

Perreault has been a very good player for the Jets. That I won't disagree. But father time plays no favorites. He is now slower and more brittle. Time to pass the torch here.

Andrew Copp? Don't get me wrong, I love Andrew Copp. He is a very good player. He can play on my Jet team anytime, just not higher than the third line, but capable of filling in for short periods on the 2nd line. But no higher on regular basis. Just doesn't have the offensive capabilities to play higher.

Your other comments? Interesting read! Each to their own.
- grahamzky

I wanna have the dialogue on the lineup. Just because I don’t agree doesn’t mean I don’t wanna know the inspiration behind the idea

Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

Kane and Frolik are whatever. Makes sense. One was determined to leave on arrival, one didn’t seem to make the decision himself.

The Byfuglien and Enstrom is very bad news, as is Chairot talkin sh*t about previous coaching in Montreal. Rumours now popping up about Laine wanting out is very bad. All of the players having spoken out or been visibly disgruntled in interviews over the past two years is not good, especially when 3 of them are Scheifele, Copp, and Perreault (AKA the man, the poster child of underutilization, and the one who says whatever he wants).
- Rexypoo

What did Chairot say? I haven't heard this.

Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

Kane and Frolik are whatever. Makes sense. One was determined to leave on arrival, one didn’t seem to make the decision himself.

The Byfuglien and Enstrom is very bad news, as is Chairot talkin sh*t about previous coaching in Montreal. Rumours now popping up about Laine wanting out is very bad. All of the players having spoken out or been visibly disgruntled in interviews over the past two years is not good, especially when 3 of them are Scheifele, Copp, and Perreault (AKA the man, the poster child of underutilization, and the one who says whatever he wants).
- Rexypoo

Why does no one ever talk about the 15 long term extensions that have been signed?

Buff situation was completely injury and body breaking down related!! Nothing to do with organization and I heard this direct from a family member

Chairot is a spurned ex!! He publicly wanted to stay and wanted Jets to match Habs offer

Perreault’s career is over and he’s having a hard time facing the end

Copp sees himself as Bergevin, he is not, he has Trouba (im worth more than I am ) syndrome

Adam Oates combined with Sheifele not being able to get over his bad contract is what is derailing his personality, I have heard this direct from a source high up I the organization

Morrisey, lowry, ehlers, Connor, Helly, Demelo, Wheeler, Brossient, little, Stastny, harkins, Appleton, Pionk, and others as well have all spoke glowingly about the organization

This is nothing more than anti maskers conspiracy theory type bull poop and now it’s old. I know we are all bored during Covid folks but find something new to female dog about. The world isn’t flat

And for the record I have no problem with firing coach and GM.

Why does no one ever talk about the 15 long term extensions that have been signed?

Buff situation was completely injury and body breaking down related!! Nothing to do with organization and I heard this direct from a family member

Chairot is a spurned ex!! He publicly wanted to stay and wanted Jets to match Habs offer

Perreault’s career is over and he’s having a hard time facing the end

Copp sees himself as Bergevin, he is not, he has Trouba (im worth more than I am ) syndrome

Adam Oates combined with Sheifele not being able to get over his bad contract is what is derailing his personality, I have heard this direct from a source high up I the organization

Morrisey, lowry, ehlers, Connor, Helly, Demelo, Wheeler, Brossient, little, Stastny, harkins, Appleton, Pionk, and others as well have all spoke glowingly about the organization

This is nothing more than anti maskers conspiracy theory type bull poop and now it’s old. I know we are all bored during Covid folks but find something new to female dog about. The world isn’t flat

And for the record I have no problem with firing coach and GM.
- Ross77

Furthermore,
Players are employees!!! They are not the boss!!! No company has 100% love and support from all employees. All People complain about their job and boss, stop putting nhl’ers on a pedestal.
They have jobs to do, do them or dont show up and dont get paid, have the balls to do that or F off already
Some of these childish players need to grow up.

Rexy is right, we need to build a team more like the Leafs that has good anylitics during the season with no hope of winning a cup as currently constructed, cause really folks, good anylitics during regular season is even better than winning The cup right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
- Ross77

They really are living rent-free in your head, aren't they.

Daily Riddle:

How do the Jets make Copp into a 15-20 goal scorer ?

Play him with Schiefele and Laine for 82 games.
- bennythehat

Is that a bad thing? I’ll take 20 from Copp with those two when they drop career highs, and allow 30 less against.

What did Chairot say? I haven't heard this.
- JetFuel

Working entirely from memory: he was asked something about Montreal, and what changed for him playing so well there. Part of his reply was about having to shake off bad coaching earlier in his career

Working entirely from memory: he was asked something about Montreal, and what changed for him playing so well there. Part of his reply was about having to shake off bad coaching earlier in his career
- Rexypoo

Interesting, thanks for the reply/info!

I wanna have the dialogue on the lineup. Just because I don’t agree doesn’t mean I don’t wanna know the inspiration behind the idea
- Rexypoo

Inspiration? It is/was just an idea that's in my head when I'm thinking of how I would attempt to improve our Jets "if" I was GM. I'm not. Nothing else.

Chiarot went from being a 4th round pick to getting a big contract with the Habs and he thinks he had bad coaching along the way ?
As if he would be a Norris contender had he had other coaches ??

Chiarot went from being a 4th round pick to getting a big contract with the Habs and he thinks he had bad coaching along the way ?
As if he would be a Norris contender had he had other coaches ??
- bennythehat

I think it was directly in reference to his jump in performance when he arrived in Montreal, not his developmental ceiling when he was drafted

They really are living rent-free in your head, aren't they.
- Aetherial

I enjoy ripping them so that saying has never made sense to me. I paid rent in Toronto for years to watch them fail to meet expectations, it was glorious!!
It was during the Mats Sundin years. Mats should go down as one of the all
Time most over rated players ever. He was the polar opposite of a team player and a complete douche. Now that I’m reminiscing it’s really making me miss my front row seat in Toronto, watching them lose surrounded by cry babies and excuses. Good times for sure

I think it was directly in reference to his jump in performance when he arrived in Montreal, not his developmental ceiling when he was drafted
- Rexypoo

I’d like to play with a healthy Shea weber to