Very nice the Blackhawks had an operating income of $43 mil.

https://www.nbcsports.com...le-teams-despite-covid-19

Tyler Johnson is 30 and 5'8" - he's not the same player he was 2-3 years ago. His cap hit of $5M for 4 more years is a big risk on a player who may have already started his career decline. After averaging 0.65ppg for his career prior to 2020 - he scored only 31 points in 65 games last season - a dip to 0.47ppg. He is not part of the youth movement and, in my opinion, 4 years is too long to pay to get a top prospect in the deal.

Now, if TB wants to part with Cirelli - an up and coming 23 year old center who plays defense and wins faceoffs - we can talk.
- EbonyRaptor

I did say top prospect, Cirelli certainly fits. I know that Johnson is not what he was, and agree that he's overpaid. The Prospect or draft pick would be part of the youth movement, and that is why I would consider it. I think Johnson could be a useful third or fourth line player for the length of his contract, and we could probably trade him in 3 or 4 years without having to give up much if we retain some salary.

I did say top prospect, Cirelli certainly fits. I know that Johnson is not what he was, and agree that he's overpaid. The Prospect or draft pick would be part of the youth movement, and that is why I would consider it. I think Johnson could be a useful third or fourth line player for the length of his contract, and we could probably trade him in 3 or 4 years without having to give up much if we retain some salary.
- tvetter

My proposed trade for T. Johnson was only if Seattle agreed to take him in the expansion draft. There is no way I would take him under any other circumstances.

Tyler Johnson is 30 and 5'8" - he's not the same player he was 2-3 years ago. His cap hit of $5M for 4 more years is a big risk on a player who may have already started his career decline. After averaging 0.65ppg for his career prior to 2020 - he scored only 31 points in 65 games last season - a dip to 0.47ppg. He is not part of the youth movement and, in my opinion, 4 years is too long to pay to get a top prospect in the deal.

Now, if TB wants to part with Cirelli - an up and coming 23 year old center who plays defense and wins faceoffs - we can talk.
- EbonyRaptor

He's 6" taller than DeBrinkat?

My proposed trade for T. Johnson was only if Seattle agreed to take him in the expansion draft. There is no way I would take him under any other circumstances.
- LAHawk

COVID won't last forever, and with the new TV contract, I think the salary cap will rise enough that his salary won't be an issue. Of course, that's what everyone thought was going to happen back when Toews and Kane signed, so...

I did say top prospect, Cirelli certainly fits. I know that Johnson is not what he was, and agree that he's overpaid. The Prospect or draft pick would be part of the youth movement, and that is why I would consider it. I think Johnson could be a useful third or fourth line player for the length of his contract, and we could probably trade him in 3 or 4 years without having to give up much if we retain some salary.
- tvetter

The analysis is slightly off. But I agree he is overpaid and not worth acquisition. My review goes a few steps farther than your assessment

At age 30 Johnson surely is not past his prime. He is sort of a tweener since he thrives only under the right circumstances. If you don't have the sort or style linemattes he has had where he enjoyed success, or you don't envision adding those kind of linemattes, then Johnson is way overpaid and not likely to produce enough to bother having on the team

Johnson had the deepest roster to compete for a scoring role. He is not an up and coming bright prospect any longer; he is a proven talented small player who slots nicely only if you give him players he can work with. Not third line average to below average offensive skill guys.

To fit Johnson in under the cap you need a good amount of wiggle room. Who else is coming and going in this trade and or because of the trade.

Johnson is practicly a luxury player......luxury to afford his contract and luxury to carry on the roster if his value cannot be adequately tapped.

This is not someone you want even if you get a prospect tossed in. I have to be shown how Johnson can fit under the cap. And honestly this is just conjecture to even consider until you can suggest exactly what we would part ways with insofar as bringing Johnson and + (a prospect too?).

Maybe Johnson lands up eventually on Seattle or another NHL roster once teams see how they shape up after Seattle raids rosters.

I did say top prospect, Cirelli certainly fits. I know that Johnson is not what he was, and agree that he's overpaid. The Prospect or draft pick would be part of the youth movement, and that is why I would consider it. I think Johnson could be a useful third or fourth line player for the length of his contract, and we could probably trade him in 3 or 4 years without having to give up much if we retain some salary.
- tvetter

They're trying to trade Johnson to sign Cirelli not include him in a trade.

COVID won't last forever, and with the new TV contract, I think the salary cap will rise enough that his salary won't be an issue. Of course, that's what everyone thought was going to happen back when Toews and Kane signed, so...
- tvetter

It's being speculated that the cap is gonna be flat for half of this new CBA that was signed due to covid and the revenue split between players and owners.

It's being speculated that the cap is gonna be flat for half of this new CBA that was signed due to covid and the revenue split between players and owners.
- GPHawksfan

I've heard the same thing, at least 3 years

All this is a great idea, but where the Hawks going to find the 5mil Cap space?


Strome has to sign.
- wiz1901

Smitty goes the other way? If acquiring Turkey Jizz tho, there better be one helluva haul coming with him as his next 4 years at $5 mil cap hit is another Seabrook contract. Unfortunately, their best prospect is a d-man in Cal Foote.

Tyler Johnson is 30 and 5'8" - he's not the same player he was 2-3 years ago. His cap hit of $5M for 4 more years is a big risk on a player who may have already started his career decline. After averaging 0.65ppg for his career prior to 2020 - he scored only 31 points in 65 games last season - a dip to 0.47ppg. He is not part of the youth movement and, in my opinion, 4 years is too long to pay to get a top prospect in the deal.

Now, if TB wants to part with Cirelli - an up and coming 23 year old center who plays defense and wins faceoffs - we can talk.
- EbonyRaptor

Yep, exactly what i was thinking. Not a Strome fan myself. How about TJ/Cirelli/3rd for Smitty/Carpenter/Strome?

I've heard the same thing, at least 3 years
- BetweenTheDots

Yeah, they were talking about that on NHL radio yesterday. I heard there years also.

Yep, exactly what i was thinking. Not a Strome fan myself. How about TJ/Cirelli/3rd for Smitty/Carpenter/Strome?
- Assman22

This doesn't really make any sense, Johnson makes 5 million Cirelli is a roster player not a prospect that need to resign for somewhere close to those dollars so Chicago can't afford both anyway and Tampa isn't looking to retain salary they're looking to shed salary. They do have a few good prospects though

It's being speculated that the cap is gonna be flat for half of this new CBA that was signed due to covid and the revenue split between players and owners.
- GPHawksfan

Plus whatever the players will have received in salaries above the 50% (after the 20% or 25% escrow will have to be paid back over several years.

That doesn’t affect the cap - it’s affected BY the cap - but it is a drain on players’ cash draws (at least on those with contracts).

@mikemorrealeNHL

The Chicago Blackhawks told Hockey Canada that Kirby Dach can stay as long as he doesn't miss regular season games in the NHL. His presence at the World Juniors should therefore not be a problem.

(translated from a tweet in French by @KDubeJDQ)

@DarrenDreger

NHL and NHLPA continue to hammer away at details. Until there’s a vote, everything is subject to change. Two sides remain focused on Dec 31 camp start for non-playoff teams. Jan 3rd camp start for the rest of the league. Jan 13th start to 2020-2021 regular season.

@mikemorrealeNHL

The Chicago Blackhawks told Hockey Canada that Kirby Dach can stay as long as he doesn't miss regular season games in the NHL. His presence at the World Juniors should therefore not be a problem.

(translated from a tweet in French by @KDubeJDQ)
- Theo Fox

Well, that's promising at least. Get him as much experience as possible.

@mikemorrealeNHL

The Chicago Blackhawks told Hockey Canada that Kirby Dach can stay as long as he doesn't miss regular season games in the NHL. His presence at the World Juniors should therefore not be a problem.

(translated from a tweet in French by @KDubeJDQ)
- Theo Fox

Love this.

Love this.
- tazer_and_diet

Until someone unloads on him and injures him. Didn't a Stahl brother get injured in some non-NHL competition and then was never the same?

Until someone unloads on him and injures him. Didn't a Stahl brother get injured in some non-NHL competition and then was never the same?
- powerenforcer

Same thing can happen in the preseason or the first game of the regular season. If you don't want to get injured playing hockey.... don't play hockey. Dach got a concussion right before the season started last year, and yet he still is playing in this tournament.

Same thing can happen in the preseason or the first game of the regular season. If you don't want to get injured playing hockey.... don't play hockey. Dach got a concussion right before the season started last year, and yet he still is playing in this tournament.
- Chunk

Playing in the pre-season is at least playing for your team. Not apple to apples. If he gets injured playing with a Chicago jersey on, fine, that is part of the game. If he gets injured wearing a different jersey, why? [/img]

Playing in the pre-season is at least playing for your team. Not apple to apples. If he gets injured playing with a Chicago jersey on, fine, that is part of the game. If he gets injured wearing a different jersey, why?
- powerenforcer[/img]

I don't think it matters. NHL players are for the most part strict on wanting to play for their countries in "world championships" and the Olympics. Does it make a difference if he gets injured while training off ice? That's not while playing for the Hawks, but it's in preparation for laying with them. It's all the same to me. How about the 5 or 6 players who were loaned overseas to play and get more ice time?

I don't think it matters. NHL players are for the most part strict on wanting to play for their countries in "world championships" and the Olympics. Does it make a difference if he gets injured while training off ice? That's not while playing for the Hawks, but it's in preparation for laying with them. It's all the same to me. How about the 5 or 6 players who were loaned overseas to play and get more ice time?
- Chunk

I also think that (since he has been in training with Canada for a couple of weeks) getting some real pressure-game experience before the season start would be more beneficial than a week of training camp at UC.

Playing in the pre-season is at least playing for your team. Not apple to apples. If he gets injured playing with a Chicago jersey on, fine, that is part of the game. If he gets injured wearing a different jersey, why?
- powerenforcer[/img]

It will be good for him to get into games where he can potentially dominate and give him some confidence going into the season.

Plus whatever the players will have received in salaries above the 50% (after the 20% or 25% escrow will have to be paid back over several years.

That doesn’t affect the cap - it’s affected BY the cap - but it is a drain on players’ cash draws (at least on those with contracts).
- StLBravesFan

Once again my pep peeve, players err employees paying owners. But now they are paying them while Rocky is making $43M OP which is analogous to cash flow.