The best thing that happened to Selanne(and his legacy as a Jet) was getting traded out of this berg before the local morons ran him out of town with their pitchforks ablaze like they're so wanting to do now with Laine.
- JetFuel

Considering it was made by Phoenix, it was a good trade!

Selanne always seemed to want to be here. Laine doesn’t give off the same vibes.

The best thing that happened to Selanne(and his legacy as a Jet) was getting traded out of this berg before the local morons ran him out of town with their pitchforks ablaze like they're so wanting to do now with Laine.
- JetFuel

They are both Finns, who wore Jets threads. Other than that they have absolute nothing in common. A small speedy play-maker vs a lumbering sniper. Hard to say how his legacy would have changed. He is a Hall-of-Famer, and a stand up guy. I do not think his image would have been tainted based on where he played. Guy inked 1 year deals, led his ducks group in scoring at 39 years old, and dedicated much of his time/money to his fans. Laine has big shoes to fill if that is going to be his comparison.

Wheeler should be playing on the 3rd line, some softer match ups and less minutes would do him some good and he could hopefully get some offense going on that line.
- JetFuel

He notched 247 points in the past 3 seasons (231 games) playing 1RW/1C........ Between the ages 31-34 years of age that is absolutely insane! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I feel that Raslovic/Ehlers/Copp/Harkins are all guys who can easily bring stability throughout the top 3 lines. Based on what I have seen, I feel their production is only going up. With Stats and Perfetti bringing depth at C, I'd like to see how things shake out before giving our most reliable RW the boot to the 3rd line.

Selanne always seemed to want to be here. Laine doesn’t give off the same vibes.
- bennythehat

Just to reiterate my point. The Selanne trade was made by the incoming Coyotes. It's unfortunate that it was under the Jets logo it was done.

Just to reiterate my point. The Selanne trade was made by the incoming Coyotes. It's unfortunate that it was under the Jets logo it was done.
- TheUltimateJet

I realize that...my point was that the 2 should not be compared

Yes, in my opinion a new position would rejuvenate his career. We don't know what we have until we try it.
- TheUltimateJet

You aren’t rejuvenating a player like Wheeler by giving him more ice time in a broken system with no defensive or play driving support. You will actually make his decline more apparent. Look how bad his numbers crater playing 2C

Selanne always seemed to want to be here. Laine doesn’t give off the same vibes.
- bennythehat

*rolls eyes into the next dimension*

He notched 247 points in the past 3 seasons (231 games) playing 1RW/1C........ Between the ages 31-34 years of age that is absolutely insane! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I feel that Raslovic/Ehlers/Copp/Harkins are all guys who can easily bring stability throughout the top 3 lines. Based on what I have seen, I feel their production is only going up. With Stats and Perfetti bringing depth at C, I'd like to see how things shake out before giving our most reliable RW the boot to the 3rd line.
- bikeguy99

Sweet! Total points! I love total points!

https://twitter.com/domlu.../1337851600614940674?s=21

I find this interesting

https://twitter.com/megha.../1215787248790265856?s=21

This, too

I realize that...my point was that the 2 should not be compared
- bennythehat

💯 agree with this statement!

Outside of Nationality and playing professional hockey in the same city, Selanne and Laine dont have much in common.

*rolls eyes into the next dimension*
- Rexypoo

Benny is right, Selanne did not want to be traded from Winnipeg.

Benny is right, Selanne did not want to be traded from Winnipeg.
- TheUltimateJet

That’s not the part I’m rolling my eyes at

https://twitter.com/domlu.../1337851600614940674?s=21

I find this interesting

https://twitter.com/megha.../1215787248790265856?s=21

This, too
- Rexypoo

Well all this demonstrates to me is that Paul Maurice does not have any confidence with anyone else on the roster to protect the lead. He does not believe in “defensive” players like Lowry, Copp, Perreault, etc... Those players don’t pose any offensive threats either and such they are incapable of keeping opposing teams on their toes. Again exemplifying my point about quality of competition. Lowry and Copp are great at playing against other teams third and fourth lines and considering that other teams first lines are out there for the last few minutes says something about both their usage. But, we can leave that discussion for another time.

The more interesting stat if you can find it is: how many times did teams score against the Jets when they had the extra attacker on the ice? Because, as of right now the stats you provide poke serious holes in your argument about Wheeler, Connor and Scheifele being defensively weak.

He notched 247 points in the past 3 seasons (231 games) playing 1RW/1C........ Between the ages 31-34 years of age that is absolutely insane! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I feel that Raslovic/Ehlers/Copp/Harkins are all guys who can easily bring stability throughout the top 3 lines. Based on what I have seen, I feel their production is only going up. With Stats and Perfetti bringing depth at C, I'd like to see how things shake out before giving our most reliable RW the boot to the 3rd line.
- bikeguy99

Did anyone think Kessell got the boot to the Pens 3rd line when Pittsburgh won that cup that the HBK line were huge contributors to that championship?

Well all this demonstrates to me is that Paul Maurice does not have any confidence with anyone else on the roster to protect the lead. He does not believe in “defensive” players like Lowry, Copp, Perreault, etc... Those players don’t pose any offensive threats either and such they are incapable of keeping opposing teams on their toes. Again exemplifying my point about quality of competition. Lowry and Copp are great at playing against other teams third and fourth lines and considering that other teams first lines are out there for the last few minutes says something about both their usage. But, we can leave that discussion for another time.

The more interesting stat if you can find it is: how many times did teams score against the Jets when they had the extra attacker on the ice? Because, as of right now the stats you provide poke serious holes in your argument about Wheeler, Connor and Scheifele being defensively weak.
- TheUltimateJet

Are Lowry and Copp even great playing against other teams 3rd/4th lines? Cause if they were they would've broken the 30 point mark by now.

Are Lowry and Copp even great playing against other teams 3rd/4th lines? Cause if they were they would've broken the 30 point mark by now.
- JetFuel

This is a good post!

Are Lowry and Copp even great playing against other teams 3rd/4th lines? Cause if they were they would've broken the 30 point mark by now.
- JetFuel

You need ice time to pick up points in a system that discourages shooting on a line without a shooter.

You need ice time to pick up points in a system that discourages shooting on a line without a shooter.
- Rexypoo

They play 14+ minutes a night, they're overrated 4th line plugs!

They play 14+ minutes a night, they're overrated 4th line plugs!
- JetFuel

Lowry and Copp get more ice time than Ehlers. They play against inferior competition as well. But if we base everything on 'advanced stats', they look great because they can dominate other teams third and fourth lines in terms of puck possession, zone enteries and Corsi. With that stated they still cannot put up any points.

Selanne always seemed to want to be here. Laine doesn’t give off the same vibes.
- bennythehat

He actually signed an offer sheet by Calgary. The Jets matched it to keep him.
Tkachuk signed an offer sheet with Chicago I believe as well.
There actually used to be way more players signing them and most people don’t know or have forgotten

https://twitter.com/domlu.../1337851600614940674?s=21

I find this interesting

https://twitter.com/megha.../1215787248790265856?s=21

This, too
- Rexypoo

So what this also shows is other teams shouldn’t pull their goalie against the Jets. They are elite, especially Connor at taking advantage of teams making this mistake?

And how is this at all a point that proves Points is bad? It doesn’t at all. It’s probably the stupidest thing I’ve seen on twitter in a long time

He actually signed an offer sheet by Calgary. The Jets matched it to keep him.
Tkachuk signed an offer sheet with Chicago I believe as well.
There actually used to be way more players signing them and most people don’t know or have forgotten
- Ross77

Both facts are true. It was Tkachuk's big contract that caused the Phoenix group to want to get rid of Selanne. Tkachuk being American is something that the Phoenix group was hoping to market when the team eventually got there.

Lowry and Copp get more ice time than Ehlers. They play against inferior competition as well. But if we base everything on 'advanced stats', they look great because they can dominate other teams third and fourth lines in terms of puck possession, zone enteries and Corsi. With that stated they still cannot put up any points.
- TheUltimateJet

See my point about needing a shooter.
Copp specifically is, at worst, a 2nd line player in every measurable way besides his shooting talent.

See my point about needing a shooter.
Copp specifically is, at worst, a 2nd line player in every measurable way besides his shooting talent.
- Rexypoo

Nothing in either Copp and especially Lowry's game indicate they are great passers. Putting a "shooter" on their line would do nothing but bring the shooters stats down.

You are inaccurately assuming that just because Copp is good at zone enteries that somehow he and to a lesser extent Lowry have a high enough of a hockey IQ to make players that play with them better. And, you being the biggest Laine fan would never for a second consider putting him on with these plugs.