I was half kidding,

A Laine trade is scary as hell. For instance,

Sverson, Zacha, Mercer is not at all what I’d want, but for some reason could see
But
Sanheim, Konectny (I might be much higher on him than most) and Farabee. I’m ok with.
- Ross77

The NJ seems somewhat possible, doubt Philly would do that.

My worry with a Laine trade is this team is so reliant on its top 6 forwards to provide the vast majority of it's offense and I have my doubts another forward could replace Laine's production.

Just saw a post explaining why Brett Pesce randomly fell off in Carolina last season after years of being excellent.
Their best answer? That his most common partner last season was Joel Edmundson, and that he’s likely to see a huge rebound year now that he’s gone.

Rip Montreal.
- Rexypoo

Except they are wrong, he played with Gardiner as much as Edmundson
According to the Dobber site that tracks these things. And well, one of us has not been Gardiner fan at all, lol so thanks for this opportunity

I loved that site. Based on possession metrics and offensive zone starts, Laine looks like he is pretty bad at hockey. I know that some on this board will argue that he had scored lots of points, however some fans of advanced analytics would say that points don't matter. Furthermore a friend of mine who loves natural statrick informed me that when Laine is paired with anyone their possession metric go down. The player that looks like a superstar is Ehlers. Would love to see him get close to 20 minutes a game to see what he can really do.
- TheUltimateJet

Its all meaningless nonsense to me.

The NJ seems somewhat possible, doubt Philly would do that.

My worry with a Laine trade is this team is so reliant on its top 6 forwards to provide the vast majority of it's offense and I have my doubts another forward could replace Laine's production.
- JetFuel

I would never make the devils deal if it were up to me, but I would the Philly one.

Your second point to me is only valid under Maurice, which I guess for the time being is true.

Ehlers would produce more given the chance.
I’d like to think Roslovic could as well.

I believe if Laine were gone Vesalainen would then have the best one timer on the team and switching up our top PP to run it through Ehlers ( better at zone entry and a better shot than Wheeler, to keep goalies in check ) with Vesalainen’s one timer, well, I’d love to see that PP and think it could produce quite well.

I agree, I doubt Philly would make that trade but Konecny and Farabee alone could make up for Laine’s production without even needing my other guess’s as to how to make up the difference.

I would never make the devils deal if it were up to me, but I would the Philly one.

Your second point to me is only valid under Maurice, which I guess for the time being is true.

Ehlers would produce more given the chance.
I’d like to think Roslovic could as well.

I believe if Laine were gone Vesalainen would then have the best one timer on the team and switching up our top PP to run it through Ehlers ( better at zone entry and a better shot than Wheeler, to keep goalies in check ) with Vesalainen’s one timer, well, I’d love to see that PP and think it could produce quite well.

I agree, I doubt Philly would make that trade but Konecny and Farabee alone could make up for Laine’s production without even needing my other guess’s as to how to make up the difference.
- Ross77

You don’t like Schiefele’s one-timer ?

You don’t like Schiefele’s one-timer ?
- bennythehat

It’s fine, I’m just being honest in thinking Vesalainen’s one timer is better.

I would never make the devils deal if it were up to me, but I would the Philly one.

Your second point to me is only valid under Maurice, which I guess for the time being is true.

Ehlers would produce more given the chance.
I’d like to think Roslovic could as well.

I believe if Laine were gone Vesalainen would then have the best one timer on the team and switching up our top PP to run it through Ehlers ( better at zone entry and a better shot than Wheeler, to keep goalies in check ) with Vesalainen’s one timer, well, I’d love to see that PP and think it could produce quite well.

I agree, I doubt Philly would make that trade but Konecny and Farabee alone could make up for Laine’s production without even needing my other guess’s as to how to make up the difference.
- Ross77

You'd have to completely overhaul the powerplay to utilize Vesalainen's one timer and if Laine is traded I don't see Vesalainen getting onto the 1st powerplay unit anytime soon, honestly do you even see him making the team ever?

Ehlers and Roslovic would likely see an uptick in production but not likely the equivalent of an almost point per game player.

I'm not a Koneckny fan and Farabee just gets slotted on the 4th line here who are we kidding..Lol

I know many want to hate on Laine but he wouldn't be easy to replace.

I would never make the devils deal if it were up to me, but I would the Philly one.

Your second point to me is only valid under Maurice, which I guess for the time being is true.

Ehlers would produce more given the chance.
I’d like to think Roslovic could as well.

I believe if Laine were gone Vesalainen would then have the best one timer on the team and switching up our top PP to run it through Ehlers ( better at zone entry and a better shot than Wheeler, to keep goalies in check ) with Vesalainen’s one timer, well, I’d love to see that PP and think it could produce quite well.

I agree, I doubt Philly would make that trade but Konecny and Farabee alone could make up for Laine’s production without even needing my other guess’s as to how to make up the difference.
- Ross77

Agree with most of what you are saying here, but really do wonder if Vesalainen is ready, or the answer on the PP.

Might not have the same look, but some combination of Connor, Scheifele, Wheeler, Sanheim, Konecny and Ehlers (yes six guys for five positions) would put up a lot of points on the PP IMO.

Might Philly make the trade if we include Pionk, as I suggested earlier? With expansion draft on the horizon,we can only protect three d-men anyways - could it not be Sanheim, Morrissey and DeMelo? (or Poolman if he steps up this year)

I would never make the devils deal if it were up to me, but I would the Philly one.

Your second point to me is only valid under Maurice, which I guess for the time being is true.

Ehlers would produce more given the chance.
I’d like to think Roslovic could as well.

I believe if Laine were gone Vesalainen would then have the best one timer on the team and switching up our top PP to run it through Ehlers ( better at zone entry and a better shot than Wheeler, to keep goalies in check ) with Vesalainen’s one timer, well, I’d love to see that PP and think it could produce quite well.

I agree, I doubt Philly would make that trade but Konecny and Farabee alone could make up for Laine’s production without even needing my other guess’s as to how to make up the difference.
- Ross77

I would just run 5 forwards. I think Wheeler should quarterback the power play like a rover would. Wheeler as a rover has Phil Housley 2.0 written all over him. Plus this would be true out of the box thinking.

I would just run 5 forwards. I think Wheeler should quarterback the power play like a rover would. Wheeler as a rover has Phil Housley 2.0 written all over him. Plus this would be true out of the box thinking.
- TheUltimateJet

You really want to run the guy ragged eh??.. Lol

You really want to run the guy ragged eh??.. Lol
- JetFuel

I actually think him playing rover would be easier for him. Heck if Enstrom with his short stature and smooth skating could do it, why not Wheeler? Wheeler has got size, he's probably faster than most NHL forwards still, still has great vision where he can move the puck up the ice fast and makes players around him better. Like I said, modern day Phil Housley.

The only way he runs ragged is if Laine and Lowry are on the ice at the same time, then I would feel sorry for him.

I would never make the devils deal if it were up to me, but I would the Philly one.

Your second point to me is only valid under Maurice, which I guess for the time being is true.

Ehlers would produce more given the chance.
I’d like to think Roslovic could as well.

I believe if Laine were gone Vesalainen would then have the best one timer on the team and switching up our top PP to run it through Ehlers ( better at zone entry and a better shot than Wheeler, to keep goalies in check ) with Vesalainen’s one timer, well, I’d love to see that PP and think it could produce quite well.

I agree, I doubt Philly would make that trade but Konecny and Farabee alone could make up for Laine’s production without even needing my other guess’s as to how to make up the difference.
- Ross77

In my opinion: All of this is correct, and exactly how it should be handled if Laine is traded.

However, I hope Laine isn’t traded

You'd have to completely overhaul the powerplay to utilize Vesalainen's one timer and if Laine is traded I don't see Vesalainen getting onto the 1st powerplay unit anytime soon, honestly do you even see him making the team ever?

Ehlers and Roslovic would likely see an uptick in production but not likely the equivalent of an almost point per game player.

I'm not a Koneckny fan and Farabee just gets slotted on the 4th line here who are we kidding..Lol

I know many want to hate on Laine but he wouldn't be easy to replace.
- JetFuel

Travis Konecny is easily the #1 forward on the Jets last year. Kid is wildly underrated

I actually think him playing rover would be easier for him. Heck if Enstrom with his short stature and smooth skating could do it, why not Wheeler? Wheeler has got size, he's probably faster than most NHL forwards still, still has great vision where he can move the puck up the ice fast and makes players around him better. Like I said, modern day Phil Housley.

The only way he runs ragged is if Laine and Lowry are on the ice at the same time, then I would feel sorry for him.
- TheUltimateJet

Wheeler is slower and has a lot more mileage on him now than Toby did when he used to run the show. I 100% agree Wheeler would make for a perfect top of the diamond in Pionk’s spot. Absolutely lethal combo to have him feed Laine with the time and space Pionk likes to wait away.

But if you’re gonna do that, you need to have Ehlers and Connor moving and rotating as much as they can on the right side. They have the talent and skating ability to stir up all kinds of sh*t in the Ozone, and Ehlers solves our transition/entry problem all by himself.
Add Scheifele as the high slot bumper, and you’ve got a lethal first unit again, and one that can’t properly cover Laine or drown Wheeler anymore

I would just run 5 forwards. I think Wheeler should quarterback the power play like a rover would. Wheeler as a rover has Phil Housley 2.0 written all over him. Plus this would be true out of the box thinking.
- TheUltimateJet

in my opinion Wheeler needs to bumped down to PP2, the top unit should have Ehlers on it to gain the zone with either Ehlers or Shief at QB. They can both shoot or pass to keep the goalies more honest.

Travis Konecny is easily the #1 forward on the Jets last year. Kid is wildly underrated
- Rexypoo

I agree

I agree
- Ross77

It's amazing to think that Konecny was taken one spot ahead of Roslovic. I still think Chevy would have taken Roslovic over Konecny as the Roslovic pick at the time was considered a reach.

In my opinion: All of this is correct, and exactly how it should be handled if Laine is traded.

However, I hope Laine isn’t traded
- Rexypoo

How can you say that about Laine? His advanced stats are abysmal.

If we’re running Roslovic at centre, and presumably wanting him to have ice time and support, we end up with:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Stastny-Laine
Perreault-Lowry-Copp
Harkins-Roslovic-Appleton

This is a lineup that will have to succeed in spite of its top line. With Copp right there, I really can’t see Roslovic moving any higher than line 4 under Maurice.
- Rexypoo

Sure, but instead lets swap L3 with L4. Lowry can't produce, and Perrault is very suspect after another injury riddled season where he produced a whopping dozen points. Hopefully, Lowry and Perraults 7M cap hit can be spent on players that produce this next offseason. They combined for just 25 points in 98 games last season, and I am simply out of patience with those two. But I do feel the Jets are poised to have 3 very good scoring lines this season!

In my opinion: All of this is correct, and exactly how it should be handled if Laine is traded.

However, I hope Laine isn’t traded
- Rexypoo

If Laine is willing to ink a 6 year, 5M AAV deal. I hope he isn't dealt as well! Many people think I "hate" laine, and that simply isn't true.

I hate his valuation. He is a terrible 2-way player. Nothing more needs to be discussed on that issue. He is also a top 3 sniper in this league, who used in offensive situations can help this team out.

If he wants an 8 year deal, north of 8M AAV, I want him shipped out for a solid return. Chevy knows what Laine is worth. He also knew Meyers and Trouba were not anywhere near what they were paid. He will take his time and sort this out.

It's amazing to think that Konecny was taken one spot ahead of Roslovic. I still think Chevy would have taken Roslovic over Konecny as the Roslovic pick at the time was considered a reach.
- TheUltimateJet

I remember watching that draft and desperately wanting Konecny there for us, when I heard there was a trade to announce I knew it was to get him. With the Flyers trading to up to get him, its very possible they knew we were going to take him.

Wheeler is slower than Enstrom was ?

Ok...I can't prove otherwise, so I just will accept it as being factual. No sense in debating it.

I was half kidding,

A Laine trade is scary as hell. For instance,

Sverson, Zacha, Mercer is not at all what I’d want, but for some reason could see
But
Sanheim, Konectny (I might be much higher on him than most) and Farabee. I’m ok with.
- Ross77

Ya any time one guy is shipped out for 3+ assets, it is usually not a wise trade. Keeping in mind that guys like Vatanen/Hamonic/Duclair/AA/Hoffman are all good players unsigned, it simply doesn't make sense to deal an elite sniper for guys that could potentially be attained for nothing. I understand that Severson is on a very nice contract, but mercer is unproven, and Zacha has proven to be a bust at this point in his career.

Laine needs to be a 1for1 deal. Either Detroit gives up their upcoming 1st rd selection, or Philly sends Provorov over, or one of Columbus' top 2 D...... Something along those lines. It needs to be another big fish coming back the Jet's way.

Ya any time one guy is shipped out for 3+ assets, it is usually not a wise trade. Keeping in mind that guys like Vatanen/Hamonic/Duclair/AA/Hoffman are all good players unsigned, it simply doesn't make sense to deal an elite sniper for guys that could potentially be attained for nothing. I understand that Severson is on a very nice contract, but mercer is unproven, and Zacha has proven to be a bust at this point in his career.

Laine needs to be a 1for1 deal. Either Detroit gives up their upcoming 1st rd selection, or Philly sends Provorov over, or one of Columbus' top 2 D...... Something along those lines. It needs to be another big fish coming back the Jet's way.
- bikeguy99

ok talk to your peeps in Jersey and we'll consider Jack or Nico
but seriously, I'd have no problem with the Philly deal I suggested, but doubt they'd ever do it.

Wheeler is slower than Enstrom was ?

Ok...I can't prove otherwise, so I just will accept it as being factual. No sense in debating it.
- bennythehat

Speed is a good thing to have, but it doesn't have to be exceptional. Panarin/Thorton/Giordano/Tavares have all had plenty of success while being fairly weak skaters. Wheeler has a surprisingly fast top speed, just takes him a while to get there. Enstrom had a good first two steps, but lacked top speed. Both use super long twigs which helps with their skating deficiencies.