You lost me at Ovechkin. The man scored 50 goals and 100+ points with Chris Clark on his line. Laine could barely crack 30 with Scheifele centering him all year.

Edit: Comparing Ovechkin to Laine is like comparing engine oil to apples. Never should they be mentioned in the same sentence. Outside of having similar shots, both players have nothing in common. Ovechkin hits, makes plays, makes line mates into superstars, scores goals (no matter who is coaching the team), hustles hard, etc.. Laine he just shoots. Ovechkin also was hitting 50 goals by his second season with Danus Zubrus and Chris Clark. I could go on and on and on.....

Also the fact that him needing special players to make him into a superstar are consistently mentioned makes me wonder, what is really going on with this player? If that's the case why not just trade Laine for those special players and allow players like Ehlers for example to become exceptional.
- TheUltimateJet

A: I’m not comparing Laine to prime Ovechkin. Prime Ovechkin was a force of nature in a way not seen before or since. The man was a serial killer.
I’m comparing him to how Ovechkin is used now, which is a lot more planned out.

B: You underrate Zubrus something fierce. He was actually very comparable to Scheifele from 2007-2011, in terms of his impact. Don’t have a lot of info before then. You either don’t like Zubrus for some weird reason, or don’t realize how bad Scheifele’s defence drags him down from his 2017 highs.

C: Nobody said Laine or Ehlers need “special players” with them to succeed. They need NHL players. You know, the type that can defend well and still keep the puck moving forward. Andrew Copp, Paul Stastny, even Kevin Hayes.
Alternatively, not post-Stralman Bryan Little, or f*ckin Cody Eakin.

So both players hit milestones in their 11th seasons? I don't think anyone really remembers how Housley skated. Game was very different then too. Everyone seems to always remember the past with a false sense of nostalgia.
- TheUltimateJet

Who cares about Housley right now. The issue is Wheeler can’t do what you want him to do because he is in decline, and overworked as is. When you try to use an aging player like nothing has changed, you get into trouble. Look at Vlasic in San Jose, or Doughty. Or even Toews at this point.

A: I’m not comparing Laine to prime Ovechkin. Prime Ovechkin was a force of nature in a way not seen before or since. The man was a serial killer.
I’m comparing him to how Ovechkin is used now, which is a lot more planned out.

B: You underrate Zubrus something fierce. He was actually very comparable to Scheifele from 2007-2011, in terms of his impact. Don’t have a lot of info before then. You either don’t like Zubrus for some weird reason, or don’t realize how bad Scheifele’s defence drags him down from his 2017 highs.

C: Nobody said Laine or Ehlers need “special players” with them to succeed. They need NHL players. You know, the type that can defend well and still keep the puck moving forward. Andrew Copp, Paul Stastny, even Kevin Hayes.
Alternatively, not post-Stralman Bryan Little, or f*ckin Cody Eakin.
- Rexypoo

I never said Ehlers needed special players to play with him. Reading comprehension is definitely not your strong suit. You always mention Laine's line mates.

I guess you are right Zubrus who had a career high 57 points in 2005-06, while playing with Ovechkin is better than all the players that have played with Laine. That list includes: Scheifele, Wheeler, Connor, Ehlers, Stastny, Little......

I never said Ehlers needed special players to play with him. Reading comprehension is definitely not your strong suit. You always mention Laine's line mates.

I guess you are right Zubrus who had a career high 57 points in 2005-06, while playing with Ovechkin is better than all the players that have played with Laine. That list includes: Scheifele, Wheeler, Connor, Ehlers, Stastny, Little......




- TheUltimateJet

That is correct. You have accidentally arrived at the correct conclusion.
All of those players you listed have performed worse in the last two seasons than the Zubrus Ovechkin played with. You’re missing important factors: Defence is a powerful thing, as is the aging curve. If any player on that list of yours had the first, it was taken away by the second in the last few years

That is correct. You have accidentally arrived at the correct conclusion.
All of those players you listed have performed worse in the last two seasons than the Zubrus Ovechkin played with. You’re missing important factors: Defence is a powerful thing, as is the aging curve. If any player on that list of yours had the first, it was taken away by the second in the last few years
- Rexypoo

Washington allowed 306 goals that year, good enough for second worst in the league. Meaning they were the second worst defensive team in the league.

I guess we have different ideas on defense too! I am definitely loving this analytics debate.

On another note Zubrus did not even play for Washington between 2007 and 2011.

Washington allowed 306 goals that year, good enough for second worst in the league. Meaning they were the second worst defensive team in the league.

I guess we have different ideas on defense too! I am definitely loving this analytics debate.

On another note Zubrus did not even play for Washington between 2007 and 2011.


- TheUltimateJet

Okay? And? Washington was not a good team in Ovie’s first two years.
The Jets are one of the worst defensive team’s in the NHL, does that mean every single player on the team can’t defend? I’m talking specifically about one player.

I also said earlier that we do not have the same stats available pre-2007. One can assume based on his age at the time that he was likely as good, if not better, when he was with Ovechkin than he was in the 4 years I pointed out.

Okay? And? Washington was not a good team in Ovie’s first two years.
The Jets are one of the worst defensive team’s in the NHL, does that mean every single player on the team can’t defend? I’m talking specifically about one player.

I also said earlier that we do not have the same stats available pre-2007. One can assume based on his age at the time that he was likely as good, if not better, when he was with Ovechkin than he was in the 4 years I pointed out.
- Rexypoo

This is turning into a circular argument that is not going anywhere. I swear you and Jetsnation are the same person.

My My. I just scanned this thread. Comparisons of Enstrom with Wheeler. Housley somehow in the mix. Someone on here ridiculously trying to compare Laine to Alex the Great. Then there was some insane nonsense bit about Kyle Conner playing at a slow pace or not creating chances.

This is why I don't post often in the off-season. It's basically silly season where many of you get sucked into being trolled.

Now back to hibernation until there is something real to talk about.

So both players hit milestones in their 11th seasons? I don't think anyone really remembers how Housley skated. Game was very different then too. Everyone seems to always remember the past with a false sense of nostalgia.
- TheUltimateJet

Wtf are we even talking about at this point? lol
Housley and Wheelers career milestone seasons or Wheeler playing a rover type position?!!

Look I think Wheeler is too old and slow to play a rover style game, the best thing for him and the Jets would be for him to play a couple less minutes a game.

K.... 2 year then. I don't care, so long as the AAV isn't high. Laine has a lot more to prove before he makes the big $$$. I truly do not believe a team can be a contender if they are handing out north of 7.5M AAV to players that don't have a complete game. If you don't want them on the ice when you are protecting a 1 goal lead, they simply aren't worth a massive payday. Laine has paced for 66 points per 82 games in his career, which is solid. Solid, but not exceptional, especially when you actually watch how the guy plays without the puck. He can grow into a superstar, but I need to see WAY more progress before that can be realistic.

Whats your issue with Scheifele? I have him as a top 10 C in this league personally.
- bikeguy99

Yeah I know you don't like Laine, no need to repeat yourself.

I didn't mention Scheifele so don't know where that came from but if you haven't noticed the decline in his game the last couple seasons you need to watch closer.

I'd probably rank him somewhere in the next tier of centers, somewhere in the 11-20 range I'm guessing.

My My. I just scanned this thread. Comparisons of Enstrom with Wheeler. Housley somehow in the mix. Someone on here ridiculously trying to compare Laine to Alex the Great. Then there was some insane nonsense bit about Kyle Conner playing at a slow pace or not creating chances.

This is why I don't post often in the off-season. It's basically silly season where many of you get sucked into being trolled.

Now back to hibernation until there is something real to talk about.
- jetsnation

Rexypoo, I like how you changed back into your alter ego!

Wtf are we even talking about at this point? lol
Housley and Wheelers career milestone seasons or Wheeler playing a rover type position?!!

Look I think Wheeler is too old and slow to play a rover style game, the best thing for him and the Jets would be for him to play a couple less minutes a game.
- JetFuel

Hey man, I have no idea. I got suckered into another circular argument with Jetsnation/Rexypoo.

I just threw something out there that I thought was out of the box thinking. It was just an opinion statement. I have no stake in this game.

My My. I just scanned this thread. Comparisons of Enstrom with Wheeler. Housley somehow in the mix. Someone on here ridiculously trying to compare Laine to Alex the Great. Then there was some insane nonsense bit about Kyle Conner playing at a slow pace or not creating chances.

This is why I don't post often in the off-season. It's basically silly season where many of you get sucked into being trolled.

Now back to hibernation until there is something real to talk about.
- jetsnation

You don’t post because Don Cherry got canned, and took all your talking points away

Rexypoo, I like how you changed back into your alter ego!
- TheUltimateJet

I’m actually also a 3rd person here. You’ll never guess

My My. I just scanned this thread. Comparisons of Enstrom with Wheeler. Housley somehow in the mix. Someone on here ridiculously trying to compare Laine to Alex the Great. Then there was some insane nonsense bit about Kyle Conner playing at a slow pace or not creating chances.

This is why I don't post often in the off-season. It's basically silly season where many of you get sucked into being trolled.

Now back to hibernation until there is something real to talk about.
- jetsnation

Yea, Selanne and "the great 8" should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Laine! What about Jimmy Mann? Dave Babych? Dave Ellett? Is Babe Ruth still living? If we just had Serge Savard!

And so we got Wheeler playing Rover. What's next - Hellebuyck playing centre on the 1st line? I guess we all have our wishes.

Yes I think we are all more than ready for training camp, should we have one, to begin. Otherwise we go round and round.

I’m actually also a 3rd person here. You’ll never guess
- Rexypoo

Please be TheUltimateJet.

It would be too funny, that the guy who makes all the Jets trade proposals is also the guy who criticizes every trade UJ comes up with.

Please be TheUltimateJet.

It would be too funny, that the guy who makes all the Jets trade proposals is also the guy who criticizes every trade UJ comes up with.
- BWJumper

That would actually be scary. I would be the Holy Trinity of Sh*tposting.

UltimateJet, Rexypoo, and jetsnation. The guy throwing everything ever at the wall and hoping it sticks, the guy frantically repainting the wall knowing it’ll never stop m, and the guy who claims he’s too good for walls but likes to watch anyway.

I’m actually also a 3rd person here. You’ll never guess
- Rexypoo

Is it me ?

Is it me ?

- bennythehat

Is it me ?

- bennythehat

That would definitely be the TSN turning point of the game

Berdin signed a two year extension with the Jets, this season is the last year of his ELC, his new deal is a two year deal with an aav of $750K, the first year is a two-way and the second year is a one-way, really hope he isn't lost to Seattle!!!

Berdin signed a two year extension with the Jets, this season is the last year of his ELC, his new deal is a two year deal with an aav of $750K, the first year is a two-way and the second year is a one-way, really hope he isn't lost to Seattle!!!
- JetFuel

He’s an absolute meme. He could be a bad backup, and I’d still want him behind Hellebuyck just for how insane he is

Yeah I know you don't like Laine, no need to repeat yourself.

I didn't mention Scheifele so don't know where that came from but if you haven't noticed the decline in his game the last couple seasons you need to watch closer.

I'd probably rank him somewhere in the next tier of centers, somewhere in the 11-20 range I'm guessing.
- JetFuel

You keep trying to put words in my mouth. I never said I don't like him. Top 3 sniper in the league, horrible defensively. There is certainly good and bad both in the mix. I love his trade value! But I fear his contract. So to me, a trade is the best option unless he somehow becomes a 200' king in this league. So rather than saying I don't like him, tell me what his next contract should be?

And no, I haven't noticed any decline in Schiefele's game over the years. He has simply been the jets best forward for some time now, and on an unreal contract too boot. So you tell me what you'd be prepared to offer Laine if you were the gm, and I'll tell you if I love or hate Laine after that. But the projections of his upcoming contract would have me running for the hills.

You keep trying to put words in my mouth. I never said I don't like him. Top 3 sniper in the league, horrible defensively. There is certainly good and bad both in the mix. I love his trade value! But I fear his contract. So to me, a trade is the best option unless he somehow becomes a 200' king in this league. So rather than saying I don't like him, tell me what his next contract should be?

And no, I haven't noticed any decline in Schiefele's game over the years. He has simply been the jets best forward for some time now, and on an unreal contract too boot. So you tell me what you'd be prepared to offer Laine if you were the gm, and I'll tell you if I love or hate Laine after that. But the projections of his upcoming contract would have me running for the hills.
- bikeguy99

You've made your dislike for Laine pretty clear and again went on with this horrible defensively nonsense so you're making your feelings well known, I've got nothing to do with it.
His trade value probably isn't as high as we (meaning Jets fans) think it is and it'll be very difficult to replace what Laine brings to the Jets so if it was up to me I'd be pushing hard to get him signed long term, something in the $8-9M range over 7 or 8 years I'd do in a heartbeat without question, would maybe go a tad more then $9M but would definitely be wanting a max term for that much AAV. I believe in the kid though, you clearly don't.

Well if you haven't noticed the dropoff in Scheifele's play you must be watching a different team or something cause his lack of effort, giving up on plays and getting out muscled and out hustled by smaller players happened a fair bit last season. I don't dislike Schiefele and know he's the Jets best player or close to it and yes I realize his contract is good value but there's clearly something up with him, the effort just isn't there some games.

Berdin signed a two year extension with the Jets, this season is the last year of his ELC, his new deal is a two year deal with an aav of $750K, the first year is a two-way and the second year is a one-way, really hope he isn't lost to Seattle!!!
- JetFuel

Arvid Holm has performed very well and is a decent prospect as well in the system