It don't matter, you just need that lottery ball pop up with your team logo on it
- BetweenTheDots

True, last year with Detroit having by far the worst record, they only had an 18% chance of landing the first pick.

Wow.

- Possible shortened season ending injuries to Nylander and Dach.
- Unknown recovery timeline for a "mystery" ailment to Toews.
- Goaltenders with a total of 84 NHL games between the 3 of them.

And training camp hasn't even opened yet.

I'm just sitting here giggling and shaking my head. I'll still watch them (and other NHL games). It's going to be kinda sad and interesting to see how things play out.

At least with the realignment there won't be any of those late MST or PST start times.
- Rota's Rooter

Just embrace the tank and understand its mission/purpose. Then it makes the journey back to contention more tolerable.

Dougie Wilson doesn't exactly have SanJose in great shape.
- rpeters01

I've ragged on him enough (Jeebus, those D-man contracts). There are several comparable examples. No one wants to admit that by and large, all teams go through ups and downs of being competitive and then not so much. When the team is good they do all they can to remain there and that severely depletes the upcoming talent. You then get a bit of a crash before being able to build it back up.

I'm not telling anyone here things they don't already know, but it bears repeating from time to time.

I'm nothing if not relentless when I get an idea in my head (I get so few I have to run with the ones I get ) ... if there were ever a time to go to Kane and ask him if he wants off this sinking ship - it would be now - so I'm bringing up my favorite trade proposal of late: Kane to Buffalo for Dylan Cozens. Those are the main pieces of the trade and since I've belabored that trade repeatedly I won't list all the other parameters here.

Do it Stan. Adding Cozens to a top-5 pick in the 2021 draft would be two big steps toward rebuilding the team.

And an analysis of his strengths and weaknesses.

Individual coaches and GMs - no matter how good and successful - are well suited for different stages in a team’s development. Q and Phil Jackson are well suited for teams ready to win - the “B to C” stage that Reinsdorf liked to talk about. Epstein is good at rebuilds - not so much at maintaining. Kraus was actually good at maintaining - not at all at rebuilding.

Colliton may be good at developing - jury is still out - we have no evidence that he can take a team expected to compete to that level.

What is Stan? He did a good job “retooling” to get to 2013-2015 - can he not do a “rebuild”?
- StLBravesFan

So, where does that leave Stan in a ranking of NHL GM's?

Also, Jerry Krause obtained every member of six championship teams, except MJ. I say he was a builder.

Wow.

- Possible shortened season ending injuries to Nylander and Dach.
- Unknown recovery timeline for a "mystery" ailment to Toews.
- Goaltenders with a total of 84 NHL games between the 3 of them.

And training camp hasn't even opened yet.

I'm just sitting here giggling and shaking my head. I'll still watch them (and other NHL games). It's going to be kinda sad and interesting to see how things play out.

At least with the realignment there won't be any of those late MST or PST start times.
- Rota's Rooter

Talk about when things go wrong they really go wrong.

Just throwing this out there, watched Ted Lasso over the weekend, lmao for the past 4 days

I'm nothing if not relentless when I get an idea in my head (I get so few I have to run with the ones I get ) ... if there were ever a time to go to Kane and ask him if he wants off this sinking ship - it would be now - so I'm bringing up my favorite trade proposal of late: Kane to Buffalo for Dylan Cozens. Those are the main pieces of the trade and since I've belabored that trade repeatedly I won't list all the other parameters here.

Do it Stan. Adding Cozens to a top-5 pick in the 2021 draft would be two big steps toward rebuilding the team.
- EbonyRaptor

It’s not a bad idea actually. But it’s tough to judge how far away Kane is from regression. Chances are he might still be elite even 3-4 years from now by the time the rebuild is done. So he might still be a key piece, or just as key as Cozens.

Just embrace the tank and understand its mission/purpose. Then it makes the journey back to contention more tolerable.
- SimpleJack

I embrace nothing.

None of those guys will ever purposely tank. They may not give 100% effort 100% of the time but they certainly won't just give up.

They are all too competitive. Hell I still see it in my Friday night rat games with guys 50-60 years of age.

I embrace nothing.

None of those guys will ever purposely tank. They may not give 100% effort 100% of the time but they certainly won't just give up.

They are all too competitive. Hell I still see it in my Friday night rat games with guys 50-60 years of age.
- Rota's Rooter

I agree, they are all playing for their livelihood, and poop i didn't get paid but any sport i played i always try to do my best and win, always

I'm nothing if not relentless when I get an idea in my head (I get so few I have to run with the ones I get ) ... if there were ever a time to go to Kane and ask him if he wants off this sinking ship - it would be now - so I'm bringing up my favorite trade proposal of late: Kane to Buffalo for Dylan Cozens. Those are the main pieces of the trade and since I've belabored that trade repeatedly I won't list all the other parameters here.

Do it Stan. Adding Cozens to a top-5 pick in the 2021 draft would be two big steps toward rebuilding the team.
- EbonyRaptor

I think we can file this under beating a dead unicorn, because that would be some mystical stuff right there.

If actually looking at that trade, we'd likely have to take Skinner off their hands. Otherwise they would have $36M tied up in Eichel, Kane, Skinner, and Okposo. And people said our cap situation was effed up.

Might it be a ploy for cap space having the operation so that he misses the season on LTIR?
- 6628

The not even million dollars he makes?

I've ragged on him enough (Jeebus, those D-man contracts). There are several comparable examples. No one wants to admit that by and large, all teams go through ups and downs of being competitive and then not so much. When the team is good they do all they can to remain there and that severely depletes the upcoming talent. You then get a bit of a crash before being able to build it back up.

I'm not telling anyone here things they don't already know, but it bears repeating from time to time.
- Chunk

Burns and Karlsson's contracts make Seabrook's look eazy peazy.

Where are Ethan Moreau, Chad Kilger and Kyle Calder when you need them.
- Chunk

Is there the makings of an ABC line on this team?

So the Hawks have Toes and Dach out long term, and Strome is still sitting there without a contract. You would think he would chomp and sign a one year contract, knowing he is the #1 center, probably playing with Kane, being on PP#1. any kind of decent yea and he could cash in next year. Befuddling to me.

Well some posters here sure seem to get silly when someone directs criticism at Bowman.
He has done good things but there is reason for criticism as well.
I'm not looking at in hindsight but he should not have let Dach go to WJC . I think everyone was anticipating a break out year from him . His focus should have been on the NHL season.
The Hawks strongest poistion (center )has gone to their worst and that's saying something when you look what's between the pipes.

I embrace nothing.

None of those guys will ever purposely tank. They may not give 100% effort 100% of the time but they certainly won't just give up.

They are all too competitive. Hell I still see it in my Friday night rat games with guys 50-60 years of age.
- Rota's Rooter

Not what I’m saying

The players won’t be quitting or giving up. They will be putting forth maximum effort. But they will still inevitably lose the majority of their games.

Skin Rash? I'll beat everyone to it.

Well some posters here sure seem to get silly when someone directs criticism at Bowman.
He has done good things but there is reason for criticism as well.
I'm not looking at in hindsight but he should not have let Dach go to WJC . I think everyone was anticipating a break out year from him . His focus should have been on the NHL season.
The Hawks strongest poistion (center )has gone to their worst and that's saying something when you look what's between the pipes.
- HamiltonHawk

I'll freely admit Stan has his faults and has made some bad moves, but the overt "he's the worst" comments are overblown as well.

Did Stan insist that Dach went to the WJC (against his will or at least his want), or did he request to go? Other names on the Canada roster:

Byfield
Cozens
Lafreniere
Byram
Foudy
Mercer
Hayton
Drysdale
Foote

All guys that are on or should challenge for a spot on an NHL team.

As I said before, if there was ever a year for this crap to happen it is this one. The Hawks now have the opportunity to see a lot more of the young players in all situations. Maybe one or two surprise and take the bull by the horns. They were not going to be contending for a cup this year.

I'm nothing if not relentless when I get an idea in my head (I get so few I have to run with the ones I get ) ... if there were ever a time to go to Kane and ask him if he wants off this sinking ship - it would be now - so I'm bringing up my favorite trade proposal of late: Kane to Buffalo for Dylan Cozens. Those are the main pieces of the trade and since I've belabored that trade repeatedly I won't list all the other parameters here.

Do it Stan. Adding Cozens to a top-5 pick in the 2021 draft would be two big steps toward rebuilding the team.
- EbonyRaptor

It not a out laddish idea .Don't know if Buffalo would bite or Kane .Cozens was my 1st choice that draft year and Dach number two . To have them both would be dream weaver type stuff

Is there the makings of an ABC line on this team?
- HawkintheD

Altybarmakyan - Barratt - Carpenter?

I think we can file this under beating a dead unicorn, because that would be some mystical stuff right there.

If actually looking at that trade, we'd likely have to take Skinner off their hands. Otherwise they would have $36M tied up in Eichel, Kane, Skinner, and Okposo. And people said our cap situation was effed up.
- Chunk

OK - you're forcing me to fill out the other parameters of the trade proposal ...

Kane at 50% retained for Cozens and Okposo. Sprinkle in draft picks to make it taste good to both teams.

Kane at $5.25M for 3 more years is a great deal for Buffalo, especially when considering the marketing angle of Kane being a hometown guy.

Okposo's $6M cap for 3 more years is the cap dump necessary to work for Buffalo and Cozens is the price they pay in the deal.

I would think Buffalo would have to at least give serious consideration to put Kane on RW opposite Taylor Hall on Eichel's line.

So the Hawks have Toes and Dach out long term, and Strome is still sitting there without a contract. You would think he would chomp and sign a one year contract, knowing he is the #1 center, probably playing with Kane, being on PP#1. any kind of decent yea and he could cash in next year. Befuddling to me.
- LAHawk

Stan is too busy right now to sign Strome, he's chasing down a deal with Ottawa for Artem Anisimov.

Altybarmakyan - Barratt - Carpenter?
- Chunk

LOL! I had 2/3's of it but forgot about the new AA.

It not a out laddish idea .Don't know if Buffalo would bite or Kane .Cozens was my 1st choice that draft year and Dach number two . To have them both would be dream weaver type stuff
- oldduffman

Might bite if we threw in Reidel.

Stan is too busy right now to sign Strome, he's chasing down a deal with Ottawa for Artem Anisimov.
- RickJ

Don't forget about trying to reacquire Saad...