Well I didn't bother throwing out an alternative cause like I said Dobson would be pretty close to untouchable for the Islanders but if they were willing to move him it'd probably be in some sort of package for Laine, not sure what that entire deal would look like though.

I'll say this though, I'm a big Laine fan and a huge believer in the kid but a one for one trade for Dobson is one of the few one for one Laine trades I'd be okay with.
- JetFuel

That's kind of what I meant when I said that mentioning Rosloic+-Dobson+ was only a starting point.
Think if Laine is in the deal, say for Dobson, the Isles should sweeten the pot IMO. They would probably have to add, say Czickas (spelling?) for cap reason - and a guy like Wahlstrom. (or a draft choice)

Hindsight is 20/20 - we couldn't trade Trouba or Buff or Enstrom a few years ago as we were Cup contenders at the time.
- bennythehat

Your hindsight must be faulty. The Jets were missing the playoffs in 2016 and 2017, not what I would call cup contenders.

That's kind of what I meant when I said that mentioning Rosloic+-Dobson+ was only a starting point.
Think if Laine is in the deal, say for Dobson, the Isles should sweeten the pot IMO. They would probably have to add, say Czickas (spelling?) for cap reason - and a guy like Wahlstrom. (or a draft choice)
- grahamzky

Your original comment never said as a starting point.

Idk what the Islanders would do, Dobson/Wahlstrom for Laine/Roslovic would be about as good as we could expect maybe idk, Czikas is underrated but a UFA and unless the Jets are moving Lowry he doesn't really fit.

Chevy really should've been inquiring on D.Toews from the Islanders.

Since the Pens are most likely stuck with Matheson for the next few years, would Pettersson for Roslovic work?

#2 - not buying what you are selling
#3 - Copp signed, didn't have to, Chevy did his job
#4 - Buff situation was a weird one, trade enstrom when he had value... if that is how we manage then who will we have left to play for us? In a trade he would have got maybe a 2nd a year or two before he left. (I have this theory that he is actually a zombie as he just keeps coming back into hockeybuzz)
#5 - overall I respect Trouba for how he handled his time in Wpg and his exit. the way i see it (more Hockeybuzz facts) Chevy did him a solid by honouring his wish to be traded to one of a very short list of teams and this was done due to the culture he has been cultivating from the start and includes loyalty and honour from the top down. The return was underwhelming, Heinola might turn into a good one, Pionk is a very good NHL player -- perhaps Trouba was overrated. that it was Jet's own pick back is irrelevant to the Trouba trade. Trading him sooner would not have increased his value as he was under team control and going to one of his preferred destinations.
#6 - He is under team control and his value is as high as it will be, short of him putting up some strong consistent results. In Wpg he is not a top 6 and wasn't making much of a case for becoming a strong NHL centerman.
#7 - I agree with you on Laine
- 2.0

On points 2 & 3: Point 2, I heard from my friend. In fact Evander Kane was the first Atlanta player to change his Twitter to a Jets logo. That definitely means that he did not want to play here. Hustler has mentioned that on TSN1290 numerous times.

On point 3, arbitration in the NHL's caes means that the team has control to sign the player to the arbitrators ruling. The player has no choice in the matter.

The return on Trouba is very underwhelming, considering what the Flames got for Hamilton a year previous. The Jets could have gotten the same return if they were shopping Trouba.

Again, I am the only one on this site to that has to paraphrase that all comments that I make are my opinion.

Since the Pens are most likely stuck with Matheson for the next few years, would Pettersson for Roslovic work?
- sjfpp

According to most Jets fans they will all say "that is not enough"

Your hindsight must be faulty. The Jets were missing the playoffs in 2016 and 2017, not what I would call cup contenders.
- BWJumper

Besides you, who is talking about 2016 and 2017 ?

Seems to me that we made a pretty good run in 2018 when we had Trouba, Buff, Enstrom etc....and there was hope for 2019. Trading any of them for prospects or picks at that time would have been silly.

On points 2 & 3: Point 2, I heard from my friend. In fact Evander Kane was the first Atlanta player to change his Twitter to a Jets logo. That definitely means that he did not want to play here. Hustler has mentioned that on TSN1290 numerous times.

On point 3, arbitration in the NHL's caes means that the team has control to sign the player to the arbitrators ruling. The player has no choice in the matter.

The return on Trouba is very underwhelming, considering what the Flames got for Hamilton a year previous. The Jets could have gotten the same return if they were shopping Trouba.

Again, I am the only one on this site to that has to paraphrase that all comments that I make are my opinion.
- TheUltimateJet

Yeah...Kane embraced the Jets logo immediately so that he could extract appearance fees from the local bars. "Come meet Evander Kane of the Thrashers" just wasn't going to work well.

Besides you, who is talking about 2016 and 2017 ?

Seems to me that we made a pretty good run in 2018 when we had Trouba, Buff, Enstrom etc....and there was hope for 2019. Trading any of them for prospects or picks at that time would have been silly.
- bennythehat

Sure I will agree with you. 2018 happened and it made it impossible to trade anyone. Point is the Jets weren't "cup contenders" going into that year and hindsight shows that when Trouba asked for his trade in 2016 and when Buff's contract was in its last year in 2016 the Jets should have traded them both.

Besides you, who is talking about 2016 and 2017 ?

Seems to me that we made a pretty good run in 2018 when we had Trouba, Buff, Enstrom etc....and there was hope for 2019. Trading any of them for prospects or picks at that time would have been silly.
- bennythehat

If the Jets had traded Trouba before the 2019 season, there would have been mass mutiny, and I can only imagine the criticism management would have taken from many places - including here. People were talking SC!

If the Jets had traded Trouba before the 2019 season, there would have been mass mutiny, and I can only imagine the criticism management would have taken from many places - including here. People were talking SC!
- grahamzky

Depends on the return.

It's not like we were going to get our own first round pick back as part of that deal.

Dear Jack/Claude,

Despite some occasional flashes, you have not shown enough to crack either of our 2 top lines. You may have the potential to play on the 2nd line, but as you know, playing with Patrik, requires a certain skill set, as well as King Patrik's blessing.
If you and your agent believe that you are a top 6 centerman in the league then that would mean that you are in the top 60(+/-) centers in the league. I don't think that you are.
My best advice to you is to sign a one-year deal and prove me wrong.

Dear Patrik,
Life is tough, I know. You are getting paid nearly $ 7 million to play hockey. So, you don't get to play with Scheifele....that sucks. Hull didn't always get to play with Mikita.
Messier didn't always get to play with Gretzky.
My best advice to you is be the best Patrik Laine you can be. Put team goals ahead of your own and just suck it up.

Lost every trade?

Trouba for Heinola and Pionk will be a loss?
- jjonah

Yes. That was a terrible trade at the time.
The long term outcome doesn’t change that it was a terrible trade.

Hindsight is 20/20 - we couldn't trade Trouba or Buff or Enstrom a few years ago as we were Cup contenders at the time.
- bennythehat

This is actually a very good point. It’s the same reason we let Myers just kinda run out on his deal instead of trading him.
I’d have taken the same risks if I didn’t know I could get a Trouba replacement for the long term by moving him.

According to most Jets fans they will all say "that is not enough"
- TheUltimateJet

I would fight Ultimate to the death in a broken beer bottle fight if it meant the winner got to see that Roslovic for Pettersson trade.
I would die for it.

Depends on the return.

It's not like we were going to get our own first round pick back as part of that deal.
- TheUltimateJet

Which was embarrassing more because of us utterly wasting Hayes and letting Maurice drown him then drive him out of town.
We wasted our pick on a good player we didn’t use, then wasted our biggest trade chip on a pick we would’ve had all along and an AHL caliber defenceman (at the time).

Which was embarrassing more because of us utterly wasting Hayes and letting Maurice drown him then drive him out of town.
We wasted our pick on a good player we didn’t use, then wasted our biggest trade chip on a pick we would’ve had all along and an AHL caliber defenceman (at the time).
- Rexypoo

Can’t believe I am about to say this. But Rexypoo gets it!

I’m so sick and tired of people bringing up all these players they “think” had issues. Let’s review,

Kane-literally requested a trade the day winnipeg got the Atlanta team, never wanted to be in winnipeg, Period!!

Trouba-again!!!! Never wanted to be here or Canada for that matter and put a plan in place with his agent to escape as soon as possible!!! Made the Jets trade him to one team, only one team!!!

Buff- I spoke to his family, directly!! Not I heard from someone or anything like that, I spoke to his family was told this was 1000% about his injuries and body breaking down. He couldn’t do it anymore

Enstrom- sorry Rexy but Enstrom fell apart physically and could no longer handle a simple body check without it causing pain and injury!!!! He turned down other NHL offers (like you have pointed out multiple times ) for this exact reason, he couldn’t play contact anymore and now plays in a lower level Swedish league that basically that has no contact.

Roslovic- played with Ehlers ( who all anylitics show is out best forward ) more than any other winger last year and couldn’t produce!!!!!! He is not better than the wingers a head of him!!!! He wants to be a top 6 player without beating out the 6 ahead of him!!!! He is already on his 2nd agent so what do you expect his new agent, Lemieux, a known ass to do? Don’t be stupid people.

Copp- wants to be 2nd line Center. He has not earned it yet And don’t @ me with micro stats that show how good defensively he is, you have to produce ( actual ) results not chances to earn 2nd line Center. Copp knows this and I appreciate what he’s said about having to prove it. He did not have a better year than Stastny last year so he gets it.

Laine- the guy has turned down long term contracts from winnipeg because he wants ten plus per year. If you don’t believe this you are out to lunch!!! Like far out to lunch. Laine believes he is worth more than he is !!!! This is the main issue!!! He played with 55 more than anyone else last year!!!! Stop talking about ya but when we got Eakin......stop crying and spewing useless points!!! He played with 55, fact!!!!

The amount of crying and refusing to acknowledge known facts cause it doesn’t fit your whining, crying narrative is embarrassing.

Do I have issues with Maurice and Chevy, sure but it’s a business people and some fans will complain for the sake of complaining and should just take up ping pong.
- Ross77

Way to step up Ross. Your best post of the year IMHO. I'll also ad this blurb from the main HB blog ( see below). Laine and Roslovic really need to take a hard look at the reality of the Covid world. I've been predicting since May that NHL contracts were going to take a hit because of Covid economics. There are teams that are seriously bleeding here and not all of them have billionaire owners.

There is a finite number of NHL players so suddenly if a GM has to choose between a cheaper younger player to develop and spend less over a more mature player they just might opt to go the cheaper route. So a Laine deal for several good prospects plus a player on a good salary deal may just be worth it. Roslovic can just sit at home for all I care and a cheaper Harkins can fill right in. In another year or two, a cheaper Perfetti will be a huge improvement on Copp.

From the blog.....

Interestingly, when I asked one team yesterday if they had interest in Vatanen the response kind of blew my mind...

“We should be,” the team representative said,” but at the end of the day we are going to lose money this year. Lots of it. If we make the playoffs, that’s more money we lose. The motivation this year just isn’t there.”

The source went on to say the reality is they have to survive this season and let their kids develop. "How we do almost doesn’t matter and bringing in players that cost anything more could make them better, but won’t help them financially in the long run."

In all my time talking to team people I have never felt someone sound so frustrated. This is why we are seeing so many players sign for so little. The teams just don’t see the benefit of adding salary when they are playing to an empty, or nearly empty house...

Dear Jack/Claude,

Despite some occasional flashes, you have not shown enough to crack either of our 2 top lines. You may have the potential to play on the 2nd line, but as you know, playing with Patrik, requires a certain skill set, as well as King Patrik's blessing.
If you and your agent believe that you are a top 6 centerman in the league then that would mean that you are in the top 60(+/-) centers in the league. I don't think that you are.
My best advice to you is to sign a one-year deal and prove me wrong.

Dear Patrik,
Life is tough, I know. You are getting paid nearly $ 7 million to play hockey. So, you don't get to play with Scheifele....that sucks. Hull didn't always get to play with Mikita.
Messier didn't always get to play with Gretzky.
My best advice to you is be the best Patrik Laine you can be. Put team goals ahead of your own and just suck it up.
- bennythehat

Exactly Benny ! You get it .

Well it looks like Roslovic has become the new Petan. How much longer until Vesalainen becomes the new Roslovic?

Well it looks like Roslovic has become the new Petan. How much longer until Vesalainen becomes the new Roslovic?
- TheUltimateJet

So that is anyone that cannot crack the top 6 and is unable to find a role ?

Yes. That was a terrible trade at the time.
The long term outcome doesn’t change that it was a terrible trade.
- Rexypoo

So the long-term outcome does not have any bearing when looking back and grading a trade?
I didn't like the trade at the time, but think the jury is still out here. Pionk better than expected, and Heinola? Not sure here! May develop.

So that is anyone that cannot crack the top 6 and is unable to find a role ?
- bennythehat

No its actually indicating that we have an asset that we can sell high on. If Chevy believes in his own drafting and developing, he should have no problems trading anyone on the top two lines for a big return, especially if Vesalainen can replace them.

So the long-term outcome does not have any bearing when looking back and grading a trade?
I didn't like the trade at the time, but think the jury is still out here. Pionk better than expected, and Heinola? Not sure here! May develop.
- grahamzky

No. The long term outcome doesn’t matter. Pionk could’ve been the same player he was in New York, and the pick could’ve been Stanley.

The fact that Pionk randomly jumped into a top 4 defenceman, and we ended up with a future (possibly current?) #1 dman in Heinola is all luck. And drafting. But also luck.

Dear Jack/Claude,

Despite some occasional flashes, you have not shown enough to crack either of our 2 top lines. You may have the potential to play on the 2nd line, but as you know, playing with Patrik, requires a certain skill set, as well as King Patrik's blessing.
If you and your agent believe that you are a top 6 centerman in the league then that would mean that you are in the top 60(+/-) centers in the league. I don't think that you are.
My best advice to you is to sign a one-year deal and prove me wrong.

Dear Patrik,
Life is tough, I know. You are getting paid nearly $ 7 million to play hockey. So, you don't get to play with Scheifele....that sucks. Hull didn't always get to play with Mikita.
Messier didn't always get to play with Gretzky.
My best advice to you is be the best Patrik Laine you can be. Put team goals ahead of your own and just suck it up.
- bennythehat

Isn’t it weird that there’s a pattern of Jets players being publicly disgruntled that simply isn’t there with other teams? Even sh*tshow teams like Edmonton and Buffalo have usually seen a 50/50 split of the team having an issue with the player and vice versa.

Roslovic’s asks are likely fairly simple. “Give me a shot at centre, or on a line where I can show something offensively. Maybe some 2nd unit powerplay time. Consistent linemates even”
And to this, Maurice said “LOL f*ck off, nerd”.

Laine’s asks are even easier. “Let me play with Scheifele, or get me an NHL centre to play with”. Easy. Makes sense. The 81-55-26 line has been drowning for 2 years. Little was washed until his strong showing early last season, and Eakin has been AHL caliber for years.

Even your dumbass “boohoo, I’m a millionaire in the NHL” comment is off base. Imagine being one of the best young players in the NHL. Working your entire life to get to where you are, only to be constantly held back, knowing you’ve got more to offer while your team is sinking around you. Laine, Copp, AND Roslovic should all likely have a bone to pick and a chip on their shoulder after the Cody Eakin BS the team pulled at the deadline.
-Copp proved he could do the job, and got it taken away by some scrub while being shown so little trust beforehand they used a transplanted, struggling winger instead of him.
-Roslovic has never been given a fair shot at playing centre outside of his first year. When he finally showed he could do it on the 2015 line, they were all split up, and Harkins got scratched.
-Laine only got his shot with Scheifele again because of Wheeler being a centre for no reason. As soon as they got Eakin, he was back down again. Imagine playing your best hockey next to Scheifele, and being rewarded with a guy your biggest rival was scratching on a nightly basis as your centre.