Well it looks like Roslovic has become the new Petan. How much longer until Vesalainen becomes the new Roslovic?
- TheUltimateJet

Well what I'm wondering is how long till Perfetti is the new Vesalainen?

Well it looks like Roslovic has become the new Petan. How much longer until Vesalainen becomes the new Roslovic?
- TheUltimateJet

The Jets have an exceptional top six. Some of you on here blame the coach or the GM for wasting or depreciating talent. Players need to be able to adapt to their roles until it's their turn, or injuries surface. They are lucky to be in the best hockey league in the World. Guys like Copp and Roslovic are NOT top six players on the Jets.....period. They might be on some other teams which is why Roslovic wants a chance elsewhere. Unfortunately for him, his timing stinks.

There are also lots of players who don't get traded at the perfect time even by the best GM's. Just take a look at Tyler Johnson or Nate Schmidt as a quick reference from 2020. It happens on lots of teams all the time so don't go thinking this is just the Jets dilemma. Ross is correct in saying there are a lot of whiners on this board.

The Jets have an exceptional top six. Some of you on here blame the coach or the GM for wasting or depreciating talent. Players need to be able to adapt to their roles until it's their turn, or injuries surface. They are lucky to be in the best hockey league in the World. Guys like Copp and Roslovic are NOT top six players on the Jets.....period. They might be on some other teams which is why Roslovic wants a chance elsewhere. Unfortunately for him, his timing stinks.

There are also lots of players who don't get traded at the perfect time even by the best GM's. Just take a look at Tyler Johnson or Nate Schmidt as a quick reference from 2020. It happens on lots of teams all the time so don't go thinking this is just the Jets dilemma. Ross is correct in saying there are a lot of whiners on this board.
- jetsnation

The Jets have an excellent forward group on the whole, but brutal usage and deployment. A top six that can’t get out of its own end, and a bottom 6 that can’t score.

81-55-26: Does not work. Will continue to fail, and possibly be even worse as Wheeler ages. All 3 are excellent players, and all 3 suffer by being together.

27-25-29: Was great last time, albeit with a little bit of shooting luck to boost our memories a little. Now you’re asking a 35 year old Stastny to replicate his previous success with a worse team.

9-17-85: Nobody can shoot. Perreault might be cooked. This line doesn’t work, even with 18-19 Lowry and peak Perrault. Maurice has no idea how to get the most out of his players. See line 1, where nobody can defend, for further proof.

12-28-22: I have no complaints about the 2015 line. None. But Roslovic is gone, and Thompson will absolutely be the 4C all year. The wingers don't matter. They’ll all drown.

No its actually indicating that we have an asset that we can sell high on. If Chevy believes in his own drafting and developing, he should have no problems trading anyone on the top two lines for a big return, especially if Vesalainen can replace them.
- TheUltimateJet

Every team is draft and develop

No. The long term outcome doesn’t matter. Pionk could’ve been the same player he was in New York, and the pick could’ve been Stanley.

The fact that Pionk randomly jumped into a top 4 defenceman, and we ended up with a future (possibly current?) #1 dman in Heinola is all luck. And drafting. But also luck.
- Rexypoo

Your argument on this makes no sense. You can not argue that the long term evaluation means nothing and that it only matters that the Trouba trade was bad at the time but then say we can’t trade Laine for what you think he will do in the future.

Isn’t it weird that there’s a pattern of Jets players being publicly disgruntled that simply isn’t there with other teams? Even sh*tshow teams like Edmonton and Buffalo have usually seen a 50/50 split of the team having an issue with the player and vice versa.

Roslovic’s asks are likely fairly simple. “Give me a shot at centre, or on a line where I can show something offensively. Maybe some 2nd unit powerplay time. Consistent linemates even”
And to this, Maurice said “LOL f*ck off, nerd”.

Laine’s asks are even easier. “Let me play with Scheifele, or get me an NHL centre to play with”. Easy. Makes sense. The 81-55-26 line has been drowning for 2 years. Little was washed until his strong showing early last season, and Eakin has been AHL caliber for years.

Even your dumbass “boohoo, I’m a millionaire in the NHL” comment is off base. Imagine being one of the best young players in the NHL. Working your entire life to get to where you are, only to be constantly held back, knowing you’ve got more to offer while your team is sinking around you. Laine, Copp, AND Roslovic should all likely have a bone to pick and a chip on their shoulder after the Cody Eakin BS the team pulled at the deadline.
-Copp proved he could do the job, and got it taken away by some scrub while being shown so little trust beforehand they used a transplanted, struggling winger instead of him.
-Roslovic has never been given a fair shot at playing centre outside of his first year. When he finally showed he could do it on the 2015 line, they were all split up, and Harkins got scratched.
-Laine only got his shot with Scheifele again because of Wheeler being a centre for no reason. As soon as they got Eakin, he was back down again. Imagine playing your best hockey next to Scheifele, and being rewarded with a guy your biggest rival was scratching on a nightly basis as your centre.
- Rexypoo

Isn’t it weird you never mention all the players who are very happy here? And solely focus on all things negative? Why is that?

Most US markets get little to no coverage. To assume they do not have bottom 6 players or more players overall that are not happy seems naive to me.

The Jets have an exceptional top six. Some of you on here blame the coach or the GM for wasting or depreciating talent. Players need to be able to adapt to their roles until it's their turn, or injuries surface. They are lucky to be in the best hockey league in the World. Guys like Copp and Roslovic are NOT top six players on the Jets.....period. They might be on some other teams which is why Roslovic wants a chance elsewhere. Unfortunately for him, his timing stinks.

There are also lots of players who don't get traded at the perfect time even by the best GM's. Just take a look at Tyler Johnson or Nate Schmidt as a quick reference from 2020. It happens on lots of teams all the time so don't go thinking this is just the Jets dilemma. Ross is correct in saying there are a lot of whiners on this board.
- jetsnation

Yup !!!👍
People complain to complain
It’s like they somehow see us playing and developing 15 players on the top two lines and Shiefele is going to play with 6 different wingers to develop them and raise there trade stock.

And it doesn’t matter that we have 80% of players extremely happy to here let’s only discuss the ones that are not.

Like Rexy’s buddy Perreault has said multiple times, if you don’t want to be here get lost.

The Jets have an excellent forward group on the whole, but brutal usage and deployment. A top six that can’t get out of its own end, and a bottom 6 that can’t score.

81-55-26: Does not work. Will continue to fail, and possibly be even worse as Wheeler ages. All 3 are excellent players, and all 3 suffer by being together.

27-25-29: Was great last time, albeit with a little bit of shooting luck to boost our memories a little. Now you’re asking a 35 year old Stastny to replicate his previous success with a worse team.

9-17-85: Nobody can shoot. Perreault might be cooked. This line doesn’t work, even with 18-19 Lowry and peak Perrault. Maurice has no idea how to get the most out of his players. See line 1, where nobody can defend, for further proof.

12-28-22: I have no complaints about the 2015 line. None. But Roslovic is gone, and Thompson will absolutely be the 4C all year. The wingers don't matter. They’ll all drown.
- Rexypoo

I agree with the Maurice issues and deployment issues but man, can we finally stop talking about it. You have posted variations of this 1700 times, you must be tired by now

Isn’t it weird that there’s a pattern of Jets players being publicly disgruntled that simply isn’t there with other teams? Even sh*tshow teams like Edmonton and Buffalo have usually seen a 50/50 split of the team having an issue with the player and vice versa.

Roslovic’s asks are likely fairly simple. “Give me a shot at centre, or on a line where I can show something offensively. Maybe some 2nd unit powerplay time. Consistent linemates even”
And to this, Maurice said “LOL f*ck off, nerd”.

Laine’s asks are even easier. “Let me play with Scheifele, or get me an NHL centre to play with”. Easy. Makes sense. The 81-55-26 line has been drowning for 2 years. Little was washed until his strong showing early last season, and Eakin has been AHL caliber for years.

Even your dumbass “boohoo, I’m a millionaire in the NHL” comment is off base. Imagine being one of the best young players in the NHL. Working your entire life to get to where you are, only to be constantly held back, knowing you’ve got more to offer while your team is sinking around you. Laine, Copp, AND Roslovic should all likely have a bone to pick and a chip on their shoulder after the Cody Eakin BS the team pulled at the deadline.
-Copp proved he could do the job, and got it taken away by some scrub while being shown so little trust beforehand they used a transplanted, struggling winger instead of him.
-Roslovic has never been given a fair shot at playing centre outside of his first year. When he finally showed he could do it on the 2015 line, they were all split up, and Harkins got scratched.
-Laine only got his shot with Scheifele again because of Wheeler being a centre for no reason. As soon as they got Eakin, he was back down again. Imagine playing your best hockey next to Scheifele, and being rewarded with a guy your biggest rival was scratching on a nightly basis as your centre.
- Rexypoo

Eichel, Puluujarvi

Every team is draft and develop
- Ross77

Not the Jets anymore. Big part of drafting and developing is getting rid of old talent because we have better and younger talent coming up. Instead this team signs players like Wheeler, Enstrom, Little, Byfuglien, etc. To long term contracts. Rather than getting a permanent solution at second line Center, we have will now have our fourth patchwork piece that is also a retread playing that position.

Eichel, Puluujarvi
- bennythehat

-Pax wanted out of montreal
-Strome wanted out of AriZona
-Virtanen and Bennett have both been publicly unhappy with ice time
-everyone wanted out of Ottawa
-Svech turned down a long term offer from Carolina and wasn’t happy with it being a low ball offer
-lias Anderson refused to play in New York
-do you think petan is happy now In Toronto? Lol

Honestly the list is much longer than anyone knows or cares to admit.

-Pax wanted out of montreal
-Strome wanted out of AriZona
-Virtanen and Bennett have both been publicly unhappy with ice time
-everyone wanted out of Ottawa
-Svech turned down a long term offer from Carolina and wasn’t happy with it being a low ball offer
-lias Anderson refused to play in New York
-do you think petan is happy now In Toronto? Lol

Honestly the list is much longer than anyone knows or cares to admit.
- Ross77

So many of today's players are whiny spoiled brats and their agents are partly responsible for that.

So many of today's players are whiny spoiled brats and their agents are partly responsible for that.
- bennythehat

Yes,
Also, could this be tied to the ridiculous increase in diving and embellishments happening now that is embarrassing to watch.

Your argument on this makes no sense. You can not argue that the long term evaluation means nothing and that it only matters that the Trouba trade was bad at the time but then say we can’t trade Laine for what you think he will do in the future.
- Ross77

Correct. You do not trade Laine now because you have put yourself in a position to lose on the best available offer.

Isn’t it weird you never mention all the players who are very happy here? And solely focus on all things negative? Why is that?

Most US markets get little to no coverage. To assume they do not have bottom 6 players or more players overall that are not happy seems naive to me.
- Ross77

Because all of the Jets that have been happy to be here end up being very unhappy.
Only Little and Wheeler have signed on long term, and stayed, without being frustrated or pissed off.

I agree with the Maurice issues and deployment issues but man, can we finally stop talking about it. You have posted variations of this 1700 times, you must be tired by now
- Ross77

No. A lot of people don’t understand the problem. I’m happy to educate them.

Eichel, Puluujarvi
- bennythehat

Eichel is an example of a player taking issue with a team. He’s the same as Kovalchuk 10 years ago. Make an effort to build a team, or trade me.

Puljujarvi is an example of a team taking issue with a player. He’s had great numbers with McDavid, and outperformed the rotisserie of replacement level wingers McDavid has carried. Doesn’t matter.

Not the Jets anymore. Big part of drafting and developing is getting rid of old talent because we have better and younger talent coming up. Instead this team signs players like Wheeler, Enstrom, Little, Byfuglien, etc. To long term contracts. Rather than getting a permanent solution at second line Center, we have will now have our fourth patchwork piece that is also a retread playing that position.
- TheUltimateJet

Okay, you’re going a bit far on this one. The 2nd Wheeler and Little deal’s were bad because of age and decline at the time of signing, but the rest can’t be complained about.

-Little and Wheeler’s first big deals were absolute steals. Massively underpaid.
-Byfuglien was a top 10 dman signed for still less than his value
-Enstrom signed his deal in his prime as a top pairing defenceman

Correct. You do not trade Laine now because you have put yourself in a position to lose on the best available offer.
- Rexypoo

But based on your argument if we make a trade that makes us better today then we win the trade today, tomorrow and forever

Because all of the Jets that have been happy to be here end up being very unhappy.
Only Little and Wheeler have signed on long term, and stayed, without being frustrated or pissed off.
- Rexypoo

This is not true at all and you know it

No. A lot of people don’t understand the problem. I’m happy to educate them.
- Rexypoo

Is it frustrating when they don’t listen? I have no idea what that is like (sarcasm)

Lebrun reporting Dubois “may” want out of Columbus. This makes far too much sense if true to see a blockbuster with Laine and Roslovic both involved. Roslovic is from there and their GM is from Finland and close to Laine

But based on your argument if we make a trade that makes us better today then we win the trade today, tomorrow and forever
- Ross77

Yes. The trade itself can only be viewed on its merit at the time.
The players can be viewed using their entire tenure, but the trade cannot.

If Adam Larsson wins 3 Norris trophies for the Oilers, Hall for Larsson is still a horrible trade by Edmonton. If Taylor Hall gets struck by lightning through the fuselage of his plane on his way to Jersey that evening and explodes into paste, it’s still a horrible trade for Edmonton.

Is it frustrating when they don’t listen? I have no idea what that is like (sarcasm)
- Ross77

Touché

Lebrun reporting Dubois “may” want out of Columbus. This makes far too much sense if true to see a blockbuster with Laine and Roslovic both involved. Roslovic is from there and their GM is from Finland and close to Laine
- Ross77

KFC for PLD makes too much sense