For sure, the only kids that come out of here and make an NHL impact are normally the top draft eligible in the world. There isn't any in this tournament.

Wallstedt will probably be the highest drafted player in this tournament in 2021.

Green likes his vets. Feels sometimes like teams like Chi and Pit who are in serious cap trouble. Are forced to give a look to kids more than vets and it pays off more often than not. Helps who they get to play with normally but sometimes it's better to take the good with the bad to get something better in the long run.
- manvanfan

Canucks have about 3 or 4 prospects ready to jump to the NHL this year . That is the problem but it is also a very good problem. The timing makes perfect sense seeing 6 years ago Canucks prospect pool looked more like a cesspool .

The cap thing is a joke . There is always ways to move money .Look at these teams 4 or 5 mil over the cap right now and not even worried one bit.

Canucks are still deciding if they should add another Dman even yesterday with their well publicized fan and media cap isuues

I predict Quinton Byfield will be in next years tournament as he's only just turned 18 and he's not an NHL ready player IMO. I think he'll play next year as a 19 year old and be one of the best kids at the tournament.
- Pacificgem

If hockey starts on time in 2021 and as long as Byfield gets to play more hockey this year, I'm not sure he will be back unless LA let's him.

Canucks have about 3 or 4 prospects ready to jump to the NHL this year . That is the problem but it is also a very good problem. The timing makes perfect sense seeing 6 years ago Canucks prospect pool looked more like a cesspool .

The cap thing is a joke . There is always ways to move money .Look at these teams 4 or 5 mil over the cap right now and not even worried one bit.

Canucks are still deciding if they should add another Dman even yesterday with their well publicized fan and media cap isuues
- VANTEL

I think they have three or four kids who are ready to compete for a spot, which is diffferent than "ready to jump into the NHL". If three kids are jumping into your lineup, it says a lot about how weak your teams NHL depth is.

Canucks have about 3 or 4 prospects ready to jump to the NHL this year . That is the problem but it is also a very good problem. The timing makes perfect sense seeing 6 years ago Canucks prospect pool looked more like a cesspool .

The cap thing is a joke . There is always ways to move money .Look at these teams 4 or 5 mil over the cap right now and not even worried one bit.

Canucks are still deciding if they should add another Dman even yesterday with their well publicized fan and media cap isuues
- VANTEL

Cap thing isn't a joke. There is always ways to move money. That doesn't meant it doesn't hurt the future and/or make the team worse. That's a problem. Van hasn't had that problem yet. Doesn't mean that other teams haven't had to do it over the years.

I think they have three or four kids who are ready to compete for a spot, which is diffferent than "ready to jump into the NHL". If three kids are jumping into your lineup, it says a lot about how weak your teams NHL depth is.
- Pacificgem

I agree. They let Tanev and Stecher go and are upgrading. No argument there.

Cap thing isn't a joke. There is always ways to move money. That doesn't meant it doesn't hurt the future and/or make the team worse. That's a problem. Van hasn't had that problem yet. Doesn't mean that other teams haven't had to do it over the years.
- manvanfan

TB is the obvious one with money over the cap. They figured a way and they will still be the team to beat.

Cap thing isn't a joke. There is always ways to move money. That doesn't meant it doesn't hurt the future and/or make the team worse. That's a problem. Van hasn't had that problem yet. Doesn't mean that other teams haven't had to do it over the years.
- manvanfan

Disagree, it is a joke.
The league will retroactively put in a recapture clause, but have all kinds of loopholes to circumvent the cap.
As Lefty and I have stated in the past, abolish the cap.

Disagree, it is a joke.
The league will retroactively put in a recapture clause, but have all kinds of loopholes to circumvent the cap.
As Lefty and I have stated in the past, abolish the cap.
- Reubenkincade

That's different then having to trade away a first round pick to get under the cap. There are all sorts of loopholes that give someone an advantage over another but if you can get under the cap without it hurting your club, it's not like any are doing anything outside of the rules.

Tightening up the rules is different than cap management.

For his sake I hope he calls it a career, take your insurance money and enjoy the rest of your days......in Manitoba
- Pacificgem

I don’t think his contract is insured. Aqua is paying full pull for this one.

Brian Burke says he doesn't like watching the 16-0 game but it helps the smaller teams.

"I know in Vancouver, they have mixed emotions on everything". On who should take the top RW spot

Petey went on the Jake diet. 10 lbs.

That's different then having to trade away a first round pick to get under the cap. There are all sorts of loopholes that give someone an advantage over another but if you can get under the cap without it hurting your club, it's not like any are doing anything outside of the rules.

Tightening up the rules is different than cap management.
- manvanfan

Again I disagree.
A loophole existed before this recapture penalty came into play. Some teams used that loophole to their advantage, at the time.(cap-managent).
To me, it is like negotiating a contract with a player at 10 million, then a few years later saying no player can be signed, or carry a cap hit of more than 9 million.

Again I disagree.
A loophole existed before this recapture penalty came into play. Some teams used that loophole to their advantage, at the time.(cap-managent).
To me, it is like negotiating a contract with a player at 10 million, then a few years later saying no player can be signed, or carry a cap hit of more than 9 million.
- Reubenkincade

Using a loophole that exists vs having to trade a 1st round pick to get under the cap or a player for really cheap.

They might be under the same jurisdiction but they aren't the same thing.

Using a loophole that exists vs having to trade a 1st round pick to get under the cap or a player for really cheap.

They might be under the same jurisdiction but they aren't the same thing.
- manvanfan

When I originally disagreed with your comment, you had mentioned nothing about a 1st round pick, now it is the basis of your discussion.

Anyways here is a decent article on how they change the rules to benefit some teams, just like they did for Tampa to allow only having to have 20 players on the roster.

https://www.google.com/am...shville-predators-for-now

Again I disagree.
A loophole existed before this recapture penalty came into play. Some teams used that loophole to their advantage, at the time.(cap-managent).
To me, it is like negotiating a contract with a player at 10 million, then a few years later saying no player can be signed, or carry a cap hit of more than 9 million.
- Reubenkincade

I agree .Managers have made the loopholes part of the cap. Tor was 10 mil over last year because of LTIR.

Even Dim Jim used LTIR to get Toffoli as a rental.

When I originally disagreed with your comment, you had mentioned nothing about a 1st round pick, now it is the basis of your discussion.

Anyways here is a decent article on how they change the rules to benefit some teams, just like they did for Tampa to allow only having to have 20 players on the roster.

https://www.google.com/am...shville-predators-for-now
- Reubenkincade

What did you think "hurt the future" or "make the team worse" meant?

What did you think "hurt the future" or "make the team worse" meant?
- manvanfan

That you're on your high horse.

I agree .Managers have made the loopholes part of the cap. Tor was 10 mil over last year because of LTIR.

Even Dim Jim used LTIR to get Toffoli as a rental.
- VANTEL

Tampa at almost 100 million currently.


When cap was introduced, the league was arguing that they needed to get a grasp on escalating salaries, as it was hurting the smaller franchises, yet it is the management/owner that can't help themselves from signing players to ridiculous contracts.
In what world does Jeff Skinner earn a 9 million dollar salary?( or Loui at 6 million)

Having an off-season cap of 10% over the cap and having different rules on whether players can be on LTIR or not, is just Mickey mouse.
Just abolish the cap.

That you're on your high horse.
- Marwood

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PLD not reporting to camp in CBJ

PLD not reporting to camp in CBJ
- VANTEL

Is he an unsigned RFA, or is it a covid / medical thing?

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- Reubenkincade

You lose pretty much all credibility agreeing with him.


Sorry, I didn't spell it out for you the first time when I was talking with Vantel about it.

Tampa at almost 100 million currently.


When cap was introduced, the league was arguing that they needed to get a grasp on escalating salaries, as it was hurting the smaller franchises, yet it is the management/owner that can't help themselves from signing players to ridiculous contracts.
In what world does Jeff Skinner earn a 9 million dollar salary?( or Loui at 6 million)

Having an off-season cap of 10% over the cap and having different rules on whether players can be on LTIR or not, is just Mickey mouse.
Just abolish the cap.
- Reubenkincade

I agree . I was looking at Sharks top three D and their contracts are stupid.

I seen St.L might offer Hoffman 3.5- 4.5. That makes more sense of what players are worth.

No, the original thought was fine. Now it's a run on sentence.

So you're basically giving him a roster spot before a single shift. I'm not. I think it's just as realistic to think he gets over here and might need more time to learn stuff like systems.

He might even need a lot more icetime than the Canucks have to learn his role and wind up taking reps in the A. No shame in it. Just not as direct of a path as others are suggesting, but just as possible at this point.
- Load Management

I wouldn't gift him anything, it is a projection of where he is viewed to be at...he still has to earn his playing time. If he doesn't make the team then he doesn't make the team. Spinning it to fit a narrative doesn't change that fact.

Disclaimer: Please allow for the odd grammatical error and/or slip of the tongue as this is a hockey site and yeah

Is he an unsigned RFA, or is it a covid / medical thing?
- 1970vintage

RFA I believe. No contract ,no reporting.

What did you think "hurt the future" or "make the team worse" meant?
- manvanfan

In all honesty, I thought you meant it hurts the future by not being able to sign your RFA's or bad contract signings.
Why would I think it meant having to trade away a 1st round pick, because one team, that I dislike did it?
To bad for Toronto, and that idiot GM they have.