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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jan 7 @ 12:53 PM ET


Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) earlier this week said that he had “never seen” Vice President Pence as angry as he had been while President Trump called on him to block the certification of the results of the 2020 presidential election in Congress.


- PT21


Pence should be outraged. It is completely inappropriate to put it kindly, to ask Pence to complete disenfranchise all voters to send it to the states. Add to it calling him out in public. Completely wrong.
bird_dog_pa
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Jan 7 @ 2:12 PM ET
The courts disagree too.

Btw, as a data scientist, and a political addict who had spent hours looking at district level predictions, nothing remotely happened in the elections that was statistically aberrant outside of the Florida margin for Trump.

Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball predicted 49 of the 50 states.
https://centerforpolitics...ystalball/2020-president/

Five Thirty Eight predicted 48 (missing North Carolina).
https://projects.fivethir...m/2020-election-forecast/

NYT predicted 48 of 50
https://www.nytimes.com/l...dential-polls-trump-biden

The Economist predicted 48 out of 50:
https://projects.economis...s-2020-forecast/president

In all cases, the vote was closer than predicted, but well within the probability of error.

Outside of Right Wing Trash media, no credible statistical evidence exists at all of any problems with the voting. None.

- PT21


I would suggest stop looking at just sources that you think back up your claims. I’ve wanted to post many things I’ve heard that support my arguments but was not satisfied that they were credible.

Phil Klein from the Amistad project has written several articles about anomalies.

Or

https://hereistheevidence.com/election-2020/stats/
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 7 @ 2:32 PM ET
The trifecta of American greatness. Kneel before your leaders and let them guide you to a better life. Their warm embrace will keep you safe!

2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jan 7 @ 2:33 PM ET
The trifecta of American greatness. Kneel before your leaders and let them guide you to a better life. Their warm embrace will keep you safe!


- bloatedmosquito

can't wait for my free healthcare!
PT21
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Jan 7 @ 3:41 PM ET
I would suggest stop looking at just sources that you think back up your claims. I’ve wanted to post many things I’ve heard that support my arguments but was not satisfied that they were credible.

Phil Klein from the Amistad project has written several articles about anomalies.

Or

https://hereistheevidence.com/election-2020/stats/

- bird_dog_pa


Those links are predictions, not analysis. All correctly predict a Biden victory with a large surplus of votes.

If the votes were rigged, how did these guys, scattered across the country, forecast it correctly? Indeed, if they erred, it was in the other direction, for they predicted an even more convincing victory.

There are 3 possibilities:

1. Its a coincidence. They got lucky. But this is unlikely, as they can't all be getting lucky so often, as by and large, they have a very high rate of success.

2. These guys were in on the fix. Most of the people there are actually very young geeks, some still in college/grad school. They have no connection with organized politics. That's even more stupid.

3. There was voter fraud, but not enough to affect the outcome or predictions. In that case, the election is valid in outcome.

I hate to be ever ruder than I have been, but you consider yourself statistically sophisticated enough to make independent judgements about such matters of consequence, and yet you cannot see the implications of what I posted earlier?
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 7 @ 3:59 PM ET
can't wait for my free healthcare!
- 2Real


Not just free healthcare, but free education, and crushing income tax!
But you can take comfort in the fact that you’ll be taking care of your fellow American who may not be as motivated as you are.

All hail to the New America!
2Real
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Jan 7 @ 4:10 PM ET
Not just free healthcare, but free education, and crushing income tax!
But you can take comfort in the fact that you’ll be taking care of your fellow American who may not be as motivated as you are.

All hail to the New America!

- bloatedmosquito

hey man they should be paying me not to work so my position can be filled with someone who gives a crap
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
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Jan 7 @ 4:25 PM ET
hey man they should be paying me not to work so my position can be filled with someone who gives a crap

- 2Real


See, you're already thinking like a true socialist. This transition to a New America will be a piece of cake.

MJL
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Jan 7 @ 5:43 PM ET
Those links are predictions, not analysis. All correctly predict a Biden victory with a large surplus of votes.

If the votes were rigged, how did these guys, scattered across the country, forecast it correctly? Indeed, if they erred, it was in the other direction, for they predicted an even more convincing victory.

There are 3 possibilities:

1. Its a coincidence. They got lucky. But this is unlikely, as they can't all be getting lucky so often, as by and large, they have a very high rate of success.

2. These guys were in on the fix. Most of the people there are actually very young geeks, some still in college/grad school. They have no connection with organized politics. That's even more stupid.

3. There was voter fraud, but not enough to affect the outcome or predictions. In that case, the election is valid in outcome.

I hate to be ever ruder than I have been, but you consider yourself statistically sophisticated enough to make independent judgements about such matters of consequence, and yet you cannot see the implications of what I posted earlier?

- PT21


It's official, PT21. You are illiterate. The website he linked to is not a prediction website. In plain English it lays out the evidence. While you claim there is none and that the anomalies are in line with past elections.

You're not even sophisticated enough to click on a link and know what you're actually looking at.
MJL
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Jan 7 @ 6:36 PM ET
For the ignorant who have buried their head in the sand or the woefully uninformed who claim there is no evidence. Here is a link to 1,400 pages of evidence of election fraud.

https://got-freedom.org/evidence/
PT21
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Jan 7 @ 6:40 PM ET
hey man they should be paying me not to work so my position can be filled with someone who gives a crap

- 2Real


This you, my man?

https://scontent-lga3-1.x...786970b2860e6&oe=601C0365
Bendecko
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Jan 7 @ 7:49 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Musings and Quick Hits: Three Camp Days Left, Camp Notes
- bmeltzer

Thanks, Bill
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Jan 7 @ 10:33 PM ET
For the ignorant who have buried their head in the sand or the woefully uninformed who claim there is no evidence. Here is a link to 1,400 pages of evidence of election fraud.

https://got-freedom.org/evidence/

- MJL


"There's been a constant effort by people from the president's legal team to provide misinformation, to distort the facts, to make accusations that cannot be proven. That needs to stop... Joe Biden is the president, he won. The Constitution worked."

- Lindsey Graham
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 8 @ 3:35 AM ET
For the ignorant who have buried their head in the sand or the woefully uninformed who claim there is no evidence. Here is a link to 1,400 pages of evidence of election fraud.

https://got-freedom.org/evidence/

- MJL


MJL
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Jan 8 @ 8:43 AM ET
"There's been a constant effort by people from the president's legal team to provide misinformation, to distort the facts, to make accusations that cannot be proven. That needs to stop... Joe Biden is the president, he won. The Constitution worked."

- Lindsey Graham

- Tomahawk



Now that the Trump presidency is ending and Graham faced a strong challenge and had tons of money thrown towards defeating him, he is doing what all DC swamp creatures do. They do what is best for them politically. I'm amazed how many people still don't get how politicians act and how DC works. How are you so naïve to not know that with politicians, it's always about politics. With a few exceptions, it's never about us as it is with Trump. He is right about Biden being the President. However it is critical to our country's future to fully investigate the fraud in this past election and stop it in the future. Or else we don't have a democracy.
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 8 @ 9:11 AM ET
Now that the Trump presidency is ending and Graham faced a strong challenge and had tons of money thrown towards defeating him, he is doing what all DC swamp creatures do. They do what is best for them politically. I'm amazed how many people still don't get how politicians act and how DC works. How are you so naïve to not know that with politicians, it's always about politics. With a few exceptions, it's never about us as it is with Trump. He is right about Biden being the President. However it is critical to our country's future to fully investigate the fraud in this past election and stop it in the future. Or else we don't have a democracy.
- MJL


Tomahawk
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Jan 8 @ 10:21 AM ET
With a few exceptions, it's never about us as it is with Trump.
- MJL


And you have the audacity to call others naive...
MJL
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Jan 8 @ 10:36 AM ET
And you have the audacity to call others naive...
- Tomahawk



With politicians, it's not about personality disorders, it's about policy. For the first time we had a President who was for the people rather than for the DC elite. Despite his narcissisms and other personality issues. It's a shame his actions of a few days ago will form a lasting stain on his legacy and what he accomplished as President.
Tomahawk
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Jan 8 @ 11:17 AM ET
With politicians, it's not about personality disorders, it's about policy. For the first time we had a President who was for the people rather than for the DC elite. Despite his narcissisms and other personality issues. It's a shame his actions of a few days ago will form a lasting stain on his legacy and what he accomplished as President.
- MJL


Bannon and Miller's populist packaging of Trump worked on you, I see.

Don't be fooled... the only people that Trump cares about have surname Trump.
MJL
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Jan 8 @ 12:37 PM ET
Bannon and Miller's populist packaging of Trump worked on you, I see.

Don't be fooled... the only people that Trump cares about have surname Trump.

- Tomahawk


Nonsense on your part. Bannon and Miller.


You can do better.

(I'm disgusted that Trump has decided not to show up for the inauguration. Shameful on his part.)
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 8 @ 1:37 PM ET
Nonsense on your part. Bannon and Miller.


You can do better.

(I'm disgusted that Trump has decided not to show up for the inauguration. Shameful on his part.)

- MJL


As president, how many shameful things has trump done in your opinion?

Is trump’s opinion of people who serve in the American military shameful? Is asking John Kelly, who son was killed in Afghanistan, why anyone would volunteer to serve in the military by saying “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” shameful considering he did it at the soldier’s grave?

Just one example, but curious to know how you feel about that.
MJL
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Jan 8 @ 1:57 PM ET
As president, how many shameful things has trump done in your opinion?

Is trump’s opinion of people who serve in the American military shameful? Is asking John Kelly, who son was killed in Afghanistan, why anyone would volunteer to serve in the military by saying “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” shameful considering he did it at the soldier’s grave?

Just one example, but curious to know how you feel about that.

- bloatedmosquito


Trump has been extremely supportive of the military. He rebuilt the military back into what it should be. He removed the ridiculous terms of engagement that bogged down the military in the fight against ISIS. I could go on.
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 8 @ 2:29 PM ET
Trump has been extremely supportive of the military. He rebuilt the military back into what it should be. He removed the ridiculous terms of engagement that bogged down the military in the fight against ISIS. I could go on.
- MJL


I don't understand what you are saying above. How did he rebuild it?

Looking at spending, he's increased spending moderately but not to the levels of past Presidents...


I always thought that Congress passes appropriation bills on military spending that the president then signs into law. How is that trump's work?

You mentioned that trump removed the ridiculous terms of engagement. I'm assuming you meant the rules surrounding airstrikes during the Afghanistan conflict. Didn't that result in a 95% increase in civilian casualties? Here's the link to that statistic:

https://watson.brown.edu/...020/AirstrikesAfghanistan

Can you provide some valid information to back up your claim other than tweets from trump himself?
PT21
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Jan 8 @ 2:37 PM ET
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 8 @ 2:57 PM ET

- PT21


That is one of the most disturbing videos I've seen. The security personnel walked away from their responsibility to deescalate that situation. They just stepped aside! I can't believe the irresponsibility of their actions. They are supposed to be trained professionals. WTF?
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