I take no offense.
Its not so much a friend of a friend but a good friend of mine that has a very good job within the organization, for what that's worth, probably not much lol

but I am not the only one to discuss how truly involved Chipman is in the day to day, no matter what he says publicly.. I really do think its a three headed monster in Winnipeg ( chipman, Chevy, Maurice ) that equally ( well almost...chippy is the boss) make all decisions. I also do not think we can understate what has been reported on wheeler and Maurice's very often closed door meetings. this has been reported and said to be unlike any other coach/Captain relationship in the league.

my point was just, its hard to know who truly is responsible for our on ice product more or less than the others???
- Ross77

Fair enough. When referring to friend of a friend, I was meaning that you are our friend and your friend is an insider. That is how I got to friend of a friend.

This is a great in-depth analysis! From my vantage point, this organization does not understand asset management. Since the miraculous 2017-18 season, this team has been on a downward spiral. That season was suppose to cement the Jets as a top flight organization for year to come. Looking at how they have managed pieces and consistent complaints from players there is definitely something disjointed about this franchise.
- TheUltimateJet

I agree with you to a point UJ but i just dont think its unique to Winnipeg. I think I counted 10 former First round picks from 8 or 9 different teams on waiver today. And I’m not talking about guys drafted 10-12 years ago. I’m talking guys taken in the last 8 or 9 years, still in their 20’s who were not drafted in round one to be on waivers this early .

I think ownership participation in player personnel is much more common than discussed here in this forum.

Writers reporting on teams like Vancouver, Edmonton, Ottawa and Montreal often report ownership participation and the results of that have been seen enough times that such involvement should not occur.

Boston, Washington, Pittsburgh and Carolina again have said to be the same as has Buffalo, Anaheim, Florida. I will stop there but I believe it is much more common than not.

I guess if I am paying the bills I may want some say but I have yet to see evidence that it is a good idea.

It is interesting for sure, but there is no depth (with respect to Ross) in reporting what he heard. The info is literal on level of 'a friend of a friend'.

Depth would be if we knew how often it happened, if it was in Chipmans office or over a beer, is Chipman listening, demanding, making suggestions etc. Wheeler is a strong personality but so is Maurice and every other person worthy of wearing a C. This is the kind of stuff that gets forgotten with a few wins in the bank.

For those thinking through the questions about asset management consider that the Jets job is to win and not to develop assets for next year. This is done in the context of a salary cap, players personal wishes, personal/health issues, player development successes and stagnations, balancing win now vs getting the kids some playing time. Bottom line is that it can be a messy business that happens without right and wrong answers. Since 2017/18 the jets have lost Little, Buff, Tanev, Armia, Chiarot, Myers, Trouba as the more noteables. They have been replaced by giving more ice time to developing players - and of those players the two or three that stand out the most will get more ice time and others will leave the organization. By default the organization gains assets every year through the draft. There is a limit to how many assets can be held - every year the team must shed some.

Jets fans were insulated from losing assets for so long because the ones worth keeping were all still developing and there were none to replace them. Though it is not the deepest pipeline anymore the team is quite young with top players still improving and there are a few quality prospects that are not needed immediately.
- 2.0

This is true the Jets have lost these players. What did the Jets get for them?

This begs the question about talent evaluation and scouting within the organization. I keep hearing about how Winnipeg is the least desirable place to play and since that is the case, no asset can be wasted. We need a management group that can accurately assess assets at least 85% of the time so that the Jets are always getting a solid return on assets that: A. No longer want to be here; or B. Are about to become UFA’s.

You may also want to trade assets that are about hit a steep decline for a haul. Again this means that the organization needs to do a better job at evaluating talent.

https://bleacherreport.co...ruptcy-cites-268m-of-debt

If true,
Our old friend and fan of Winnipeg

This is true the Jets have lost these players. What did the Jets get for them?

This begs the question about talent evaluation and scouting within the organization. I keep hearing about how Winnipeg is the least desirable place to play and since that is the case, no asset can be wasted. We need a management group that can accurately assess assets at least 85% of the time so that the Jets are always getting a solid return on assets that: A. No longer want to be here; or B. Are about to become UFA’s.

You may also want to trade assets that are about hit a steep decline for a haul. Again this means that the organization needs to do a better job at evaluating talent.
- TheUltimateJet

Ok I’ll take a stab at it: Little, Buff, Tanev, Armia, Chiarot, Myers, Trouba
Little- injured
Buff- injured and done
Taney- fa signing , left as ufa at a high cost
Armia- cap space for Connor +
Chiarot- not a core player, too rich a luxury for a bottom 3 d
Myhre- cashed in, not quite a core player on Jets
Trouba- was a true pro, everyone knew he wanted out, he was held while Jets felt they were close to challenge and traded for underwhelming return that turned out ok.

As for trading players near their peak (do you mean Wheeler, buff, little, Myhre) insanity. If we are not in the business of keeping good hockey players around and what are we trying to do?

At the end of the day I’d rather have a steak on the table than a calf in the field.

Ok I’ll take a stab at it: Little, Buff, Tanev, Armia, Chiarot, Myers, Trouba
Little- injured
Buff- injured and done
Taney- fa signing , left as ufa at a high cost
Armia- cap space for Connor +
Chiarot- not a core player, too rich a luxury for a bottom 3 d
Myhre- cashed in, not quite a core player on Jets
Trouba- was a true pro, everyone knew he wanted out, he was held while Jets felt they were close to challenge and traded for underwhelming return that turned out ok.

As for trading players near their peak (do you mean Wheeler, buff, little, Myhre) insanity. If we are not in the business of keeping good hockey players around and what are we trying to do?

At the end of the day I’d rather have a steak on the table than a calf in the field.
- 2.0

Let’s talk about this post. In 2015, Pittsburgh really wanted Little and offered up their 2015 first round draft, which the Jets could have gotten. Scheifele was on his way up and the Jets thought they had a good thing going. That first round draft pick went to Edmonton than the Island and ended up being Matt Barzal. Hindsight is 20/20, however every hockey analyst was speaking of how deep this draft was and Chevy at that time had a pretty good record of drafting in the first round.

Dustin Byfuglien could have been traded after the 2019 season in order to try and appease Trouba. The worst they could have gotten for Buff would have been a first round draft pick. The worst case scenario, well we have all witnessed it.

Brandon Taney, agreed too expensive. However, Taney was placed in the line-up ahead of Roslovic, a guy that could have had more development and more time to showcase his skill.

Joel Armia: traded because the Jets thought they already had Paul Stastny signed. Stastny does not sign with the team and we essentially gave him away for free. Also used to cover up a Chevy mistake of signing Steve Mason.

Ben Chiarot: Have you noticed that good defencemen like Byfuglien and Weber like playing with him? Much like Erik Karlsson preferred having Mark Methot with him. Chiarot had an interesting view on Jets defensive systems. You should look for the article very interesting read. Montreal media and coaching cannot stop raving about him. I would take him on my team before Kulikov, Beaulieau, Sbisa, and any other junk you find out there.

Tyler Myers: if traded a year before would have easily yielded a first round draft pick. The Jets inability to deal with the Byfuglien and Trouba situations handcuffed them on making a decision on Myers. Perhaps the Jets could have signed him long term for cheap prior to him becoming a UFA. Myers really appreciated the organization for allowing him to care for his critically ill newborn. Plus he liked being here, which is a bonus.

Jacob Trouba: Everyone knew he wanted out. He acted like a self-entitled brat. Said he should be on the first pair, essentially saying he was better than Byfuglien. Wonder how that flew in the room? Could have traded Trouba a year earlier for perhaps a guy named O’Reilly. Trouba is far better than any other players that Buffalo got in the O’Reilly trade. This would have also prevented the Jets from trading away their own first round pick to get Hayes.

Petan: Highly decorated world junior hockey player. Had some value and could have at least yielded a second round draft pick or been a part of a package to bring in something bigger.

Roslovic: Two years ago TSN reporting that teams were ready to part with mid to late first round picks to get him. Now he’s worth nothing.

We clearly have different ideas on what asset management means and that is okay!

I want to discuss something when we debate who is to blame.....

it is my understanding from a source inside the organization that Chipman, Chevy and Maurice all weigh in and discuss players on the roster, lines and minutes played.

we can point to general job descriptions and say well the GM signs and drafts the players and the coach decides who to play and where cause the reality is, that just isn't true with Winnipeg.

Chipman is far more included in day to day activities than this organization would ever let the public know.

when this team fails, they are all to blame, but for me it starts at the very top (chippy), sadly though that guy is bulletproof. Chevy can not sign a player or fire a coach without approval. Maurice I don't think can do anything with on the ice team without Wheelers approval. we have some very messed up things happening behind the scenes IMO
- Ross77

Nah couldn't be, sounds like flat earther conspiracy theory stuff.

Ok I’ll take a stab at it: Little, Buff, Tanev, Armia, Chiarot, Myers, Trouba
Little- injured
Buff- injured and done
Taney- fa signing , left as ufa at a high cost
Armia- cap space for Connor +
Chiarot- not a core player, too rich a luxury for a bottom 3 d
Myhre- cashed in, not quite a core player on Jets
Trouba- was a true pro, everyone knew he wanted out, he was held while Jets felt they were close to challenge and traded for underwhelming return that turned out ok.

As for trading players near their peak (do you mean Wheeler, buff, little, Myhre) insanity. If we are not in the business of keeping good hockey players around and what are we trying to do?

At the end of the day I’d rather have a steak on the table than a calf in the field.
- 2.0

I find this statement peculiar as well. If Philadelphia took this advise they would have held onto Jeff Carter and Mike Richards until they were valueless.

They traded both players in their primes are were able to get Braden Schenn, Jakub Voracek, Sean Couturier, and Wayne Simmonds for them. That’s the type of trades the Jets should have made for Little, Wheeler, and yes Byfuglien.

Talent evaluation is something that small market franchises located in “desolate” cities like Winnipeg need to be the best at! Not number 2 or 22, but #1.

I find this statement peculiar as well. If Philadelphia took this advise they would have held onto Jeff Carter and Mike Richards until they were valueless.

They traded both players in their primes are were able to get Braden Schenn, Jakub Voracek, Sean Couturier, and Wayne Simmonds for them. That’s the type of trades the Jets should have made for Little, Wheeler, and yes Byfuglien.

Talent evaluation is something that small market franchises located in “desolate” cities like Winnipeg need to be the best at! Not number 2 or 22, but #1.
- TheUltimateJet

I get what you're saying but I have no problem with the Little or Buff signings at the time and still don't, what I do have a problem with is blocking the draft and develop kids path with veteran plugs that are well past their best before date and a coach or GM or owner who thinks they're going to be successful with a bottom 6 that's made up of at best two 4th lines.

Why keep these kids around or even hold onto the draft picks if the bottom 6 is gonna be filled with old vets every year and the top 6 is set for quite awhile, might as well bundle them up in a trade and fill a need, surely some rebuilding team might have something the Jets could use and they could use some picks/prospects for their future.

As I have said before Laine will be traded at some point over the next year.

What about

To Columbus: Laine, Roslovic, Niku
To Winnipeg: PLD, Werenski.

All still RFAs after current contracts are up. Columbus gets defensemen and Center in return along with top goal scorer in the league.
Winnipeg gets it 2nd live center (which also has ties in the organization) and top pair defenseman.
As for expansion draft, Winnipeg can still protect PLD and would have to expose Pionk (who would be a UFA (I believe)

Thoughts
- Jetter

My thoughts are that Peg would land the best Forward, and D in this deal. So not a likely scenario. Not unless Peg adds a 1st to their offer.

Ok I’ll take a stab at it: Little, Buff, Tanev, Armia, Chiarot, Myers, Trouba
Little- injured
Buff- injured and done
Taney- fa signing , left as ufa at a high cost
Armia- cap space for Connor +
Chiarot- not a core player, too rich a luxury for a bottom 3 d
Myhre- cashed in, not quite a core player on Jets
Trouba- was a true pro, everyone knew he wanted out, he was held while Jets felt they were close to challenge and traded for underwhelming return that turned out ok.

As for trading players near their peak (do you mean Wheeler, buff, little, Myhre) insanity. If we are not in the business of keeping good hockey players around and what are we trying to do?

At the end of the day I’d rather have a steak on the table than a calf in the field.
- 2.0

I agree with all of this with the exception of Trouba. A true pro could be a stretch. His 2nd highest points total is still low 30's, and his attitude was horrible. He was the 3rd best RD on the Rangers this season and 8M is a staggering amount for a D who takes more minor penalties than he puts up assists. Jets won big in acquiring Heinola and Pionk.

I miss watching Tanev, but that was once risky move from the pens that the Jets certainly were not going to match.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2926487-sharks-evander-kane-files-for-chapter-7-bankruptcy-cites-268m-of-debt

If true,
Our old friend and fan of Winnipeg
- Ross77

Clearly, a liability for the Sharks as there is no way Kane will be focused on hockey. An impossible contract to off . Thank you Buff for throwing his tracksuit in the hot tub. That pic in Vegas with all the money on Kane's back was a major warning sign.

My thoughts are that Peg would land the best Forward, and D in this deal. So not a likely scenario. Not unless Peg adds a 1st to their offer.
- bikeguy99

Sure. In two of the last three years we have given away our first rounder for a 2nd line Center rental. I believe both teams would benefit here. Columbus gets a top scorer in the nhl and jets fill a couple of holes.

I agree that mismanagement of talent has diminished the values of niku and roslovic but they will actually turn out to be not bad throw ins.

So now it would be laine, roslovic, niku, and a first rounder.

For PLD and werenski.

Looking at it this way now, and what it would become, it would appear to be an overpayment on jets part but if this is what it would take to become legit contenders ...

I get what you're saying but I have no problem with the Little or Buff signings at the time and still don't, what I do have a problem with is blocking the draft and develop kids path with veteran plugs that are well past their best before date and a coach or GM or owner who thinks they're going to be successful with a bottom 6 that's made up of at best two 4th lines.

Why keep these kids around or even hold onto the draft picks if the bottom 6 is gonna be filled with old vets every year and the top 6 is set for quite awhile, might as well bundle them up in a trade and fill a need, surely some rebuilding team might have something the Jets could use and they could use some picks/prospects for their future.
- JetFuel

I agree completely. I think the majority of Jets fans become scared when we make trades because simply put, Chevy is not very good at making them. Asset management and talent evaluation definitely not his strong suits.

So now it would be laine, roslovic, niku, and a first rounder.

For PLD and werenski.

Looking at it this way now, and what it would become, it would appear to be an overpayment on jets part but if this is what it would take to become legit contenders ...
- Jetter

That is an overpay! I think Laine one-for-one for Dubois would be enough.

So now it would be laine, roslovic, niku, and a first rounder.

For PLD and werenski.

Looking at it this way now, and what it would become, it would appear to be an overpayment on jets part but if this is what it would take to become legit contenders ...
- Jetter

Columbus isn't making that trade either.

So now it would be laine, roslovic, niku, and a first rounder.

For PLD and werenski.

Looking at it this way now, and what it would become, it would appear to be an overpayment on jets part but if this is what it would take to become legit contenders ...
- Jetter

So Patrick wants to go surfing eh? Well don't see a straight trade with the Ducks, so what about getting imaginative and create a three-way trade: Jets, Ducks and Jackets.

Wpg gets PLD and RH d-man J. Drysdale (giving up Laine, Roslovic, Vesalainen and Niku
Anaheim gets Laine, E. Benstrom and V. Gavrikov (giving up Drysdale, D. Heinen, T. Zegras and H. Lindholm)
Columbus gets T. Zegras, Roslovic, H. Lindholm, D. Heinen, K. Vesalainen and S. Niku (and gives up PLD, E. Besntrom and V/ Gavriskov)
Think it would work cap-wise for teams.

Oh it ain't going to happen but I like being imaginative and gives me something to do while I anxiously await the coming season.

This would give the Jets top two lines of:
2021: Connor-Scheif-Wheeler, PLD-Stastny-Ehlers

and 2021-22: Connor-Scheif-Wheeler, Perfetti-PLD-Ehlers
and have Jamie Drysdale to run power play. Works for expansion draft.

Don't spoil my dreams! lol

Sure. In two of the last three years we have given away our first rounder for a 2nd line Center rental. I believe both teams would benefit here. Columbus gets a top scorer in the nhl and jets fill a couple of holes.

I agree that mismanagement of talent has diminished the values of niku and roslovic but they will actually turn out to be not bad throw ins.
- Jetter

What does that trade proposal have to do with past rental deals? Plus, Statny is a solid 2C, and Perfetti is a promising prospect going forward. I am a big fan of Raslovic. I think he has earned the 2RW spot, but until this Laine situation is addressed, there will be issues. I absolutely disagree that PLD and Werenski are "fillers". PLD's 10 points in 10 playoff games was an unreal performance given his defensive play and physicality. He is exactly what every team wants. He is a 1/2C, and 5M AAV for 2 seasons with RFA rights is a very attractive contract. Laine's next contract will be filled with massive risks based on his 2-faced game. Great sniper, horrible 200' player. Its a gamble I would not want to be any part of.

As for Werenski? Filler?!?!?! He scored 20 goals as a D last year! He can skate, he can pas, he can defend. He is a 1D on most teams in this league. Niku is a totally unproven prospect who lit up the AHL. I would be thrilled if Peg could pull of a trade like that, but it just ain't happening.

So now it would be laine, roslovic, niku, and a first rounder.

For PLD and werenski.

Looking at it this way now, and what it would become, it would appear to be an overpayment on jets part but if this is what it would take to become legit contenders ...
- Jetter

Jets would win this trade. They would need to find some RW's asap tho!

What does that trade proposal have to do with past rental deals? Plus, Statny is a solid 2C, and Perfetti is a promising prospect going forward. I am a big fan of Raslovic. I think he has earned the 2RW spot, but until this Laine situation is addressed, there will be issues. I absolutely disagree that PLD and Werenski are "fillers". PLD's 10 points in 10 playoff games was an unreal performance given his defensive play and physicality. He is exactly what every team wants. He is a 1/2C, and 5M AAV for 2 seasons with RFA rights is a very attractive contract. Laine's next contract will be filled with massive risks based on his 2-faced game. Great sniper, horrible 200' player. Its a gamble I would not want to be any part of.

As for Werenski? Filler?!?!?! He scored 20 goals as a D last year! He can skate, he can pas, he can defend. He is a 1D on most teams in this league. Niku is a totally unproven prospect who lit up the AHL. I would be thrilled if Peg could pull of a trade like that, but it just ain't happening.
- bikeguy99

I did not mean fillers in that sense. I have heard all along on this board that this team is a 2C and top defender away. These two would solve that situation.

And as for past rentals. We have given away our first round draft pick in two of the last three years to solve the 2C issue. So throwing it in for PLD and werenski should not be a problem. Especially since they would not be rentals.

I just think that including the first rounder would along with the other players would be a bit of an over payment

Two guys id love to see if we could trade Roslovic for. Connor Timmons, big right shot D on Colorado and with all
Their D they may not have room for him. Or Logan Brown, big Center on Ottawa that seems to keep getting pushed down the line up and out of the way

Two guys id love to see if we could trade Roslovic for. Connor Timmons, big right shot D on Colorado and with all
Their D they may not have room for him. Or Logan Brown, big Center on Ottawa that seems to keep getting pushed down the line up and out of the way
- Ross77

Conor Timins has a bad concussion history already, not worth the risk, Brown would be an interesting addition though.

Good things about Comrie and Sbisa being claimed is that:

1. Niku moves from the top 8 to top 7.
2. Berdin (not sure if he is here) might see some NHL action

Awww yea!!!!!