You and others have to realize that signing a young star to a long term deal through his prime years will cost and is in no way comparable to those three players deals mentioned earlier.
- JetFuel

I do get that! You also have to understand that the economy and deals that guys like Laine would have gotten pre-COVID are no longer going to be there post COVID!

It’s called money in and money out.

Interesting discussion this morning on “The Illegal Curve”.

This Pierre Luc Dubois situation is something that I think the Jets should take a serious look at.

The North Division is incredibly weak, especially with Winnipeg, Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver and Ottawa finishing in the bottom 25 last year in high danger chances against allowed. We are going to see some old school barn burner hockey this year.

With the division being so weak, the Jets should legitimately win this division especially with having a Vezina goalie and a high octane top 6.

LA when they were on the verge of winning a cup traded away Wayne Simmonds, a highly touted prospect in Brayden Schenn and a second round pick to get Richards. This would be the Jets equivalent of trading away Roslovic, Perfetti and 2021 second round pick.

I know that Perfetti is going to be good, however I do think this trade could make the Jets legitimate Stanley Ciupc contenders now.

What do you all think?

Forward lines would be:

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Dubois-Laine
Vesalainen-Stastny-Harkins
Copp-Lowry-Appleton
- TheUltimateJet

Do we really think Vesalainen, Harkins and Appleton get in the lineup over Thompson, Lewis and Perreault?.. Lol

Idk if Columbus does that anyway, maybe if they think Perfetti can play next season but who knows, are they trying to win now or not?
Jones and Domi have two years till UFA, I'm thinking they want guys who can play now though no one is likely giving them a comparable center to Dubois in return so if they trade him they may have to settle for a futures package, not sure how that shakes out there.

I do get that! You also have to understand that the economy and deals that guys like Laine would have gotten pre-COVID are no longer going to be there post COVID!

It’s called money in and money out.
- TheUltimateJet

Those deals mentioned while not the same situations are post-Covid so if Barzal is signing for $7M on a bridge deal it's reasonable to think Laine's AAV will be higher on a long term deal.

Also it really needs to be understood that every year of that long term deal raises the AAV, the AAV is gonna be lower if it's a 5 or 6 year deal,
if we're talking about an 8 year deal for Laine Covid or not I could see the AAV hitting double digits.

Signing a young star through his prime to a long term deal isn't going to be cheap.

Those deals mentioned while not the same situations are post-Covid so if Barzal is signing for $7M on a bridge deal it's reasonable to think Laine's AAV will be higher on a long term deal.

Also it really needs to be understood that every year of that long term deal raises the AAV, the AAV is gonna be lower if it's a 5 or 6 year deal,
if we're talking about an 8 year deal for Laine Covid or not I could see the AAV hitting double digits.

Signing a young star through his prime to a long term deal isn't going to be cheap.
- JetFuel

He's not got getting what you think. The salary cap is tied to league revenue. Where is all this extra revenue going to come from? No player and that includes Laine is lucky if they north of 8. The cap most likely goes down this year.

NHL like the other big leagues in North America do not have a lucrative television deal. Essentially 95% of teams are going to lose money this year. Next years salary cap is going to based on this years revenues.

Furthermore Barzal signed short term because he's hoping that league revenue goes up again in two years to try and cash in then as did Hall. I can see Laine signing a deal similar to Timo Meier in San Jose.

I really thought there would be a supplemental fine for the hit on Connor on Thursday

Interesting discussion this morning on “The Illegal Curve”.

This Pierre Luc Dubois situation is something that I think the Jets should take a serious look at.

The North Division is incredibly weak, especially with Winnipeg, Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver and Ottawa finishing in the bottom 25 last year in high danger chances against allowed. We are going to see some old school barn burner hockey this year.

With the division being so weak, the Jets should legitimately win this division especially with having a Vezina goalie and a high octane top 6.

LA when they were on the verge of winning a cup traded away Wayne Simmonds, a highly touted prospect in Brayden Schenn and a second round pick to get Richards. This would be the Jets equivalent of trading away Roslovic, Perfetti and 2021 second round pick.

I know that Perfetti is going to be good, however I do think this trade could make the Jets legitimate Stanley Ciupc contenders now.

What do you all think?

Forward lines would be:

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Dubois-Laine
Vesalainen-Stastny-Harkins
Copp-Lowry-Appleton
- TheUltimateJet

Absolutely not. Not even for a second do I consider that.

Dubois and Scheifele are about on par with eachother, meaning Dubois is 2C under Maurice. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Cole Perfetti is the best of that trio by the end of his ELC. I’m not trading Perfetti for anything that isn’t a top 10 NHL player, especially not for a guy who’s main issue with Columbus is it being “too small of a stage”. You don’t get smaller than Winnipeg.

The Jets are also not a team in a position to be trading picks. The Jets performed like a bottom feeding team with Hayes as a 4C, and Byfuglien and Trouba on the blueline. We can just as easily be giving Columbus a top 5 pick and a franchise player for a guy who wants nothing to do with Winnipeg.

The issues with this team are numerous, but the 2C “problem” doesn’t make my top 5.

Absolutely not. Not even for a second do I consider that.

Dubois and Scheifele are about on par with eachother, meaning Dubois is 2C under Maurice. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Cole Perfetti is the best of that trio by the end of his ELC. I’m not trading Perfetti for anything that isn’t a top 10 NHL player, especially not for a guy who’s main issue with Columbus is it being “too small of a stage”. You don’t get smaller than Winnipeg.

The Jets are also not a team in a position to be trading picks. The Jets performed like a bottom feeding team with Hayes as a 4C, and Byfuglien and Trouba on the blueline. We can just as easily be giving Columbus a top 5 pick and a franchise player for a guy who wants nothing to do with Winnipeg.

The issues with this team are numerous, but the 2C “problem” doesn’t make my top 5.
- Rexypoo

I was expecting this answer. What if Laine scores 40 this year with Dubois as his center?

It increases Laine’s value in terms of contract and trade. At the end of the season if Laine does not want to re-sign or be here, he could easily be traded for a package similar to what the Flyers got for Carter which was Couturier and Voracek. It’s called asset management Rexypoo!

Perfetti could be better than them in 3 years and in that time you have burned prime years of Laine, Ehlers, Connor and Scheifele not winning anything.

I was expecting this answer. What if Laine scores 40 this year with Dubois as his center?

It increases Laine’s value in terms of contract and trade. At the end of the season if Laine does not want to re-sign or be here, he could easily be traded for a package similar to what the Flyers got for Carter which was Couturier and Voracek. It’s called asset management Rexypoo!

Perfetti could be better than them in 3 years and in that time you have burned prime years of Laine, Ehlers, Connor and Scheifele not winning anything.
- TheUltimateJet

You are suggesting making a trade like the Carter trade (Dubois for Perfetti and a 1st) on the losing/overpayment side to set yourself up to trade Laine at a sure loss because it’s known (by then, hypothetically) that he wants out?

I must once again reiterate that PLD does not make this team a contender right now. He is most assuredly an upgrade on Stastny at 2C, and probably better than Scheifele, but the defence and systems are still broken.

Keeping Perfetti and not getting Dubois, who may very well want out of Winnipeg more than Laine allegedly does, is terrible asset management. You are trading a likely superior player to have cap issues sooner. Perfetti’s ELC allows you to sign Laine long term, and not worry about Perfetti until the Wheeler contract is out.

Absolutely not. Not even for a second do I consider that.

Dubois and Scheifele are about on par with eachother, meaning Dubois is 2C under Maurice. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Cole Perfetti is the best of that trio by the end of his ELC. I’m not trading Perfetti for anything that isn’t a top 10 NHL player, especially not for a guy who’s main issue with Columbus is it being “too small of a stage”. You don’t get smaller than Winnipeg.

The Jets are also not a team in a position to be trading picks. The Jets performed like a bottom feeding team with Hayes as a 4C, and Byfuglien and Trouba on the blueline. We can just as easily be giving Columbus a top 5 pick and a franchise player for a guy who wants nothing to do with Winnipeg.

The issues with this team are numerous, but the 2C “problem” doesn’t make my top 5.
- Rexypoo

Rexy does make a good point here, if Dubois was acquired does Stastny get Hayesed?!... 😂

He's not got getting what you think. The salary cap is tied to league revenue. Where is all this extra revenue going to come from? No player and that includes Laine is lucky if they north of 8. The cap most likely goes down this year.

NHL like the other big leagues in North America do not have a lucrative television deal. Essentially 95% of teams are going to lose money this year. Next years salary cap is going to based on this years revenues.

Furthermore Barzal signed short term because he's hoping that league revenue goes up again in two years to try and cash in then as did Hall. I can see Laine signing a deal similar to Timo Meier in San Jose.
- TheUltimateJet

We'll see, I think the stars are still going to get paid but maybe you're right, time will tell.

The cap will stay flat, they won't lower it.

Rexy does make a good point here, if Dubois was acquired does Stastny get Hayesed?!... 😂
- JetFuel

No, he’s too beloved. If anything, it fixes our whole offence by having Stastny as the 3 and Lowry as the 4... but I’m on a different tangent right now, leave me alone

He's not got getting what you think. The salary cap is tied to league revenue. Where is all this extra revenue going to come from? No player and that includes Laine is lucky if they north of 8. The cap most likely goes down this year.

NHL like the other big leagues in North America do not have a lucrative television deal. Essentially 95% of teams are going to lose money this year. Next years salary cap is going to based on this years revenues.

Furthermore Barzal signed short term because he's hoping that league revenue goes up again in two years to try and cash in then as did Hall. I can see Laine signing a deal similar to Timo Meier in San Jose.
- TheUltimateJet

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I agree with Ultimate here and have been preaching the same thing all summer. It's hard to imagine a deal right now in the $9-10 MM range for anyone. It's just the reality of Covid19. Right now these guys are lucky they are even playing and getting paid.

Interesting discussion this morning on “The Illegal Curve”.

This Pierre Luc Dubois situation is something that I think the Jets should take a serious look at.

The North Division is incredibly weak, especially with Winnipeg, Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver and Ottawa finishing in the bottom 25 last year in high danger chances against allowed. We are going to see some old school barn burner hockey this year.

With the division being so weak, the Jets should legitimately win this division especially with having a Vezina goalie and a high octane top 6.

LA when they were on the verge of winning a cup traded away Wayne Simmonds, a highly touted prospect in Brayden Schenn and a second round pick to get Richards. This would be the Jets equivalent of trading away Roslovic, Perfetti and 2021 second round pick.

I know that Perfetti is going to be good, however I do think this trade could make the Jets legitimate Stanley Ciupc contenders now.

What do you all think?

Forward lines would be:

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Dubois-Laine
Vesalainen-Stastny-Harkins
Copp-Lowry-Appleton
- TheUltimateJet

Dubois will never be seen in a Jets uniform. Jets will grow the 2nd center position from within and will save a lot of cap space in doing so. Scheifele is also a much better player than PLD. Unfortunately, you may never see them play against each other this year

You are suggesting making a trade like the Carter trade (Dubois for Perfetti and a 1st) on the losing/overpayment side to set yourself up to trade Laine at a sure loss because it’s known (by then, hypothetically) that he wants out?

I must once again reiterate that PLD does not make this team a contender right now. He is most assuredly an upgrade on Stastny at 2C, and probably better than Scheifele, but the defence and systems are still broken.

Keeping Perfetti and not getting Dubois, who may very well want out of Winnipeg more than Laine allegedly does, is terrible asset management. You are trading a likely superior player to have cap issues sooner. Perfetti’s ELC allows you to sign Laine long term, and not worry about Perfetti until the Wheeler contract is out.
- Rexypoo

So according to you LA lost the Mike Richards deal because Simmonds and Schenn performed statistically better than Richards three years after the trade. I guess the 2 Stanley Cup Championship banners hanging in LA are meaningless then.

Increasing Laine’s value is excellent asset management and with a center like Dubois his value definitely would go up.

You are suggesting making a trade like the Carter trade (Dubois for Perfetti and a 1st) on the losing/overpayment side to set yourself up to trade Laine at a sure loss because it’s known (by then, hypothetically) that he wants out?

I must once again reiterate that PLD does not make this team a contender right now. He is most assuredly an upgrade on Stastny at 2C, and probably better than Scheifele, but the defence and systems are still broken.

Keeping Perfetti and not getting Dubois, who may very well want out of Winnipeg more than Laine allegedly does, is terrible asset management. You are trading a likely superior player to have cap issues sooner. Perfetti’s ELC allows you to sign Laine long term, and not worry about Perfetti until the Wheeler contract is out.
- Rexypoo

Good luck winning the stanley cup with Perfetti, Heinola and a bunch of 30 year olds (Hellebuyck, Scheifele, Ehlers, Morrissey, Pionk) as your core in 4 years time Rexypoo.

We'll see, I think the stars are still going to get paid but maybe you're right, time will tell.

The cap will stay flat, they won't lower it.
- JetFuel

The cap might not go up, however the players share of escrow sure will, essentially nullifying any gains they make on their contracts.

Good luck winning the stanley cup with Perfetti, Heinola and a bunch of 30 year olds (Hellebuyck, Scheifele, Ehlers, Morrissey, Pionk) as your core in 4 years time Rexypoo.
- BWJumper

BW definitely gets it!

No, he’s too beloved. If anything, it fixes our whole offence by having Stastny as the 3 and Lowry as the 4... but I’m on a different tangent right now, leave me alone
- Rexypoo

Wasn't laughing at you Rex, laughing at the fact Maurice put Hayes at 4C, what a joke that was.

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I agree with Ultimate here and have been preaching the same thing all summer. It's hard to imagine a deal right now in the $9-10 MM range for anyone. It's just the reality of Covid19. Right now these guys are lucky they are even playing and getting paid.
- jetsnation

I am going to write about this in my diary tonight! Jetsnation and UltimateJet on the same page....holy smokes.

So according to you LA lost the Mike Richards deal because Simmonds and Schenn performed statistically better than Richards three years after the trade. I guess the 2 Stanley Cup Championship banners hanging in LA are meaningless then.

Increasing Laine’s value is excellent asset management and with a center like Dubois his value definitely would go up.
- TheUltimateJet

They lost the Mike Richards deal because Simmonds was the better player in his first year as a Flyer.

They won that cup because they were a possession monster with unholy Quick performances to seal the deal.

Wasn't laughing at you Rex, laughing at the fact Maurice put Hayes at 4C, what a joke that was.
- JetFuel

I didn’t take it that were. We’re all good.

Good luck winning the stanley cup with Perfetti, Heinola and a bunch of 30 year olds (Hellebuyck, Scheifele, Ehlers, Morrissey, Pionk) as your core in 4 years time Rexypoo.
- BWJumper

Once more, Perfetti will be taking over next season. You’re also not accounting for Samberg, Gus, and Vesalainen here.

We aren’t winning anything, period, without a youth movement on the blueline. You can trade Roslovic straight up for Dubois right now, and have Perfetti steal a job clean by seasons end, and we’re still just as likely to miss the playoffs as we are to win the Canadian division.

They lost the Mike Richards deal because Simmonds was the better player in his first year as a Flyer.

They won that cup because they were a possession monster with unholy Quick performances to seal the deal.
- Rexypoo

You are right! I guess Richards 15 points in 20 playoff games in the Kings first Stanley Cup run was not much of a contribution. The man was getting points in 3 of every 4 playoff games he was playing.

Once more, Perfetti will be taking over next season. You’re also not accounting for Samberg, Gus, and Vesalainen here.

We aren’t winning anything, period, without a youth movement on the blueline. You can trade Roslovic straight up for Dubois right now, and have Perfetti steal a job clean by seasons end, and we’re still just as likely to miss the playoffs as we are to win the Canadian division.
- Rexypoo

I'm not advocating for trading for Dubois. All I'm saying is the Jets should be in win now mode, instead of wishing and hoping that their prospects will fill the gaps the team has before their current core ages out.

Once more, Perfetti will be taking over next season. You’re also not accounting for Samberg, Gus, and Vesalainen here.

We aren’t winning anything, period, without a youth movement on the blueline. You can trade Roslovic straight up for Dubois right now, and have Perfetti steal a job clean by seasons end, and we’re still just as likely to miss the playoffs as we are to win the Canadian division.
- Rexypoo

With Dubois at center. The Jets would have center depth equivalent to Toronto and Edmonton. The Jets with their wingers would form the most potent offence in the division. Would most likely win the division because none of the team can play defence and as such would have an easy 2 rounds in the playoffs until they play in the conference finals and after that its all about goaltending, which the Jets have.

This could legitimately be a Stanley Cup winning team!