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Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jan 24 @ 10:50 PM ET
Every part of Bjorkstrand’s game is elite. Point totals don’t prove anything. It’s all of the rest that matters, and Bjorkstrand has all of it.

https://twitter.com/jfres.../1346843314176352258?s=21
https://twitter.com/jfres.../1248262573306380294?s=21

- Rexypoo


Twitter. LOL.


He hasn't been a PPG player in any of his seasons. Over his 3 full seasons he was 0.53 PPG. That's not even close to elite. Those are Jake DeBrusk numbers and he's no more than a 2nd line winger.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 24 @ 10:52 PM ET
My assertion that the line I listed would dominate is not in any way altered or affected by coaching mistakes.
Put the 3 together, great success. That’s all that matters.

- Rexypoo


You're basically making up a line that will never ever play together and saying it's a coaching mistake instead of just admitting your 100% wrong. Typical Rexy.

They are both RW and only RW...so let us all know Rexy how they can ever play together on a line when the only coaching mistake would be putting either one of them on LW.
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jan 24 @ 10:59 PM ET
I think it's funny when someone references point totals but don't mention if the player missed a lot of games in a season, last season Bjorkstrand scored at a 60 point season pace, that's pretty good and he's just shy of a ppg pace so far this season.

Fun fact about Bjorkstrand, he was taken in the same draft as Petan and played on Portland with Petan, the Jets took Morrissey in the first round that year and then took Petan, Comrie and Jimmy Lodge ahead of where the Jackets took Bjorkstrand. How do you miss Bjorkstrand if you're scouting Petan?!..

- JetFuel


Sure Pts don't tell the whole story.

But if you are talking elite you do need very good point totals or a Selke-like season defensively.

Patrice Bergeron is considered elite - his career PPG is not 1.0 but it's a very respectable 0.80. That alone would not make him elite - but combined with the Selkes he has won it does.

Bjorstrand may be a very good player, but to make the claim he's a linchpin to "one of the best lines in hockey" is just so premature it's silly.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 11:02 PM ET
Sure Pts don't tell the whole story.

But if you are talking elite you do need very good point totals or a Selke-like season defensively.

Patrice Bergeron is considered elite - his career PPG is not 1.0 but it's a very respectable 0.80. That alone would not make him elite - but combined with the Selkes he has won it does.

Bjorstrand may be a very good player, but to make the claim he's a linchpin to "one of the best lines in hockey" is just so premature it's silly.

- Nasty_Duck


That’s the reason why Marchand and Pasternak did not make my list. I don’t think that either has ever driven a line without Bergeron.

You answered your own question!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 11:09 PM ET
Sure Pts don't tell the whole story.

But if you are talking elite you do need very good point totals or a Selke-like season defensively.

Patrice Bergeron is considered elite - his career PPG is not 1.0 but it's a very respectable 0.80. That alone would not make him elite - but combined with the Selkes he has won it does.

Bjorstrand may be a very good player, but to make the claim he's a linchpin to "one of the best lines in hockey" is just so premature it's silly.

- Nasty_Duck


One question for you though: What made you use Nasty_Duck as a handle when you are a Bruins fan? That name would make more sense if you were a Anaheim fan.

I am genuinely curious and want to help you out.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 11:18 PM ET
Jets are looking a bit tired this third period. Looks like playing such a condensed schedule is starting to catch-up. That’s why its very important to roll out 4 lines. Can’t wait for Dubois to get in the lineup!
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jan 24 @ 11:21 PM ET
One question for you though: What made you use Nasty_Duck as a handle when you are a Bruins fan? That name would make more sense if you were a Anaheim fan.

I am genuinely curious and want to help you out.

- TheUltimateJet


How would me telling you how I chose my name "help me out"?

When your player actually has some accomplishments then you can start using the term elite. Until then he's a good developing player.

As far as Marchand and Pastrnak go... well when Bergeron has been injured in the past their production barely dropped off. Their numbers and the team accomplishments with them leading the way tell the story.

TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 11:25 PM ET
How would me telling you how I chose my name "help me out"?

When your player actually has some accomplishments then you can start using the term elite. Until then he's a good developing player.

As far as Marchand and Pastrnak go... well when Bergeron has been injured in the past their production barely dropped off. Their numbers and the team accomplishments with them leading the way tell the story.

- Nasty_Duck


Seems a bit confusing, no? It’s like me calling myself TheUltimateBear, when I am a Jets fan.

As for the second point, were they still together? And, did Kreijci not step in?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 11:28 PM ET
Jets are looking a bit tired this third period. Looks like playing such a condensed schedule is starting to catch-up. That’s why its very important to roll out 4 lines. Can’t wait for Dubois to get in the lineup!
- TheUltimateJet


Looks like they found their legs!
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jan 24 @ 11:36 PM ET
Seems a bit confusing, no? It’s like me calling myself TheUltimateBear, when I am a Jets fan.

As for the second point, were they still together? And, did Kreijci not step in?

- TheUltimateJet


I deliberately chose not to pick anything "bruin".

Really can't recall who stepped in as C. Might have been Kreijci (gawd I hate spelling that) but could not say for sure.
Jetlag
Joined: 01.18.2021

Jan 24 @ 11:52 PM ET
What a gross final couple shifts for DeMelo in the final 3 minutes. Stops skating when he knows he has the delayed tripping penalty and the get scored on. Then carelessly takes a high sticking that results ultimately in a goal with less than a second remains!
Jetlag
Joined: 01.18.2021

Jan 25 @ 12:03 AM ET
On a positive note, the Stastny line has been great. I’d be looking at sending someone from the Schiefele trio to the 3rd line when PLD is game ready.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jan 25 @ 12:32 AM ET
You're basically making up a line that will never ever play together and saying it's a coaching mistake instead of just admitting your 100% wrong. Typical Rexy.

They are both RW and only RW...so let us all know Rexy how they can ever play together on a line when the only coaching mistake would be putting either one of them on LW.

- jetsnation


Yeah cause it'd be such a mistake to put Laine on his off wing so he can hammer home one timers.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jan 25 @ 12:35 AM ET
Scheifele is just embarrassingly bad and lazy in the D zone, fu*k just make the guy a winger so he can do circles out at the blue line like he's doing now.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jan 25 @ 12:40 AM ET
On a positive note, the Stastny line has been great. I’d be looking at sending someone from the Schiefele trio to the 3rd line when PLD is game ready.
- Jetlag


It should be Scheifele.
Jetlag
Joined: 01.18.2021

Jan 25 @ 12:42 AM ET
It should be Scheifele.
- JetFuel

He hasn’t been a shining star, neither has Wheeler. Connor has been fantastic for the most part though.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 25 @ 5:48 AM ET
Yeah cause it'd be such a mistake to put Laine on his off wing so he can hammer home one timers.
- JetFuel


It was tried in Winnipeg several times with Laine and was a miserable failure each and every time. Playing off-wing in today's NHL is a very difficult task because it's extremely difficult to protect the puck or win battles along the boards. Only a really fast player can get away with it. Maybe Ehlers could . In the past Bure , Jagr ,Mogilny , and St. Louis. Laine doesn't have the speed of any of them.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 25 @ 9:06 AM ET
I read today's Athletic column. There were 10 NHL GM/ Executives that gave their opinion of the Laine/ Dubios trade. There was not one of them that thought that Winnipeg lost the deal. Most said Winnipeg got the edge. The bottom line thought is that both teams are no better off than they were a few days ago.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 25 @ 9:15 AM ET
Jets are looking a bit tired this third period. Looks like playing such a condensed schedule is starting to catch-up. That’s why its very important to roll out 4 lines. Can’t wait for Dubois to get in the lineup!
- TheUltimateJet



what's your take on goal scorer Lowry? he has been excellent.

I can admit, I am not high on Perreault but he has been very good the last two games
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 25 @ 9:24 AM ET
last night was a coach's loss, 100%

- 55's line was disastrous against 97's, it was not even remotely working, they got embarrassed and our coach having last change made no attempt to change the match up

-Gust and Harkins were flying and looked really good. they played less than 6 minutes!! playing our 3rd game in 4 nights you need to run your fourth line more to keep everyone fresher!!

-Heinola is without question already one of our top 3 D!! not playing him is inexcusable.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 25 @ 9:28 AM ET
last night was all the evidence you need to split up 81-55-26 permanently!!! they are a 500 line, what I mean by that is we will be a 500 hockey team with them together. half the time their offence will shine and we will win, the other half their D will collapse and we will lose. this coach has proven incapable of making in game adjustments so lets just take that option away from him.

Stastny line has been so clearly our top line, you can not split them up

Thompson should not come back in when healthy!!!! don't do it Maurice

Wheeler will struggle all year with this compressed schedule, if Maurice doesn't realize this and make an effort to reduce his minutes it will cost us.
Jetlag
Joined: 01.18.2021

Jan 25 @ 9:30 AM ET
last night was a coach's loss, 100%

- 55's line was disastrous against 97's, it was not even remotely working, they got embarrassed and our coach having last change made no attempt to change the match up

-Gust and Harkins were flying and looked really good. they played less than 6 minutes!! playing our 3rd game in 4 nights you need to run your fourth line more to keep everyone fresher!!

-Heinola is without question already one of our top 3 D!! not playing him is inexcusable.

- Ross77


I couldn’t agree more with everything said here. I also thought we were shafted on that disallowed goal, which gave the Oilers some life. Jets were absolutely slaughtered in the 2nd.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 25 @ 11:32 AM ET
what's your take on goal scorer Lowry? he has been excellent.

I can admit, I am not high on Perreault but he has been very good the last two games

- Ross77


Well Lowry scored against the Oilers, when there third line was out. Statistically speaking he does have positive possession numbers against other teams third and fourth lines. Then only moments later his line was also on the ice when RNH scored, exemplifying his poor possession numbers against other teams first and second lines.

I am hopeful his goal scoring prowess continues and I think with Dubois being added, Lowry can be sheltered better and be put against matchups that are better suited to his skills set.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 25 @ 11:56 AM ET
Well Lowry scored against the Oilers, when there third line was out. Statistically speaking he does have positive possession numbers against other teams third and fourth lines. Then only moments later his line was also on the ice when RNH scored, exemplifying his poor possession numbers against other teams first and second lines.

I am hopeful his goal scoring prowess continues and I think with Dubois being added, Lowry can be sheltered better and be put against matchups that are better suited to his skills set.

- TheUltimateJet


if we only look at possession numbers against the other teams best lines 81-55-26 would never get to play

I have no problem lowry being fourth line center as long as Maurice completely changes how he runs 4 lines. which I don't see happening.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 25 @ 12:33 PM ET
if we only look at possession numbers against the other teams best lines 81-55-26 would never get to play

I have no problem lowry being fourth line center as long as Maurice completely changes how he runs 4 lines. which I don't see happening.

- Ross77


Surprisingly its positive! They eventually get beat when they get overplayed.

Maurice has no idea about proper line deployment!
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