Braun had an 18 corsi yesterday. 18.

Friedman is not the answer. Youre taking his 2 game sample over how many games for hagg / braun who can play nhl defense. Gus and friedman can both sit. You can waive gus and send him to the taxi for myers too once healthy.

St Louis wouldnt trade dunn for braun or hagg but they could salary match as the 7th more experienced d man for the blues and get picks/prospects.
- Tfaehner

matches the eye test

HOCKEYSTATSCZ says Giroux is playing really well 5-5.


"Claude Giroux. That's crazy how he is good player again despite the Flyers haven't been playing good hockey in this season so far. Around 60% share at expected goals when he was on-ice at 5-on-5. He just knows how to play hockey. Great player!"
- Dave21Brown

matches eye test

It looks like his ass fits in fine on that bench. Maybe a cushy seat up on the booth would be even for fitting for him
- Bob Habib

I was going to suggest Gust become a Barista in the Flyers Latte stand ...

Hopefully. I think Giroux had played 3 good games out of 7. He needs to be consistent.
- MJL

I think it is more accurate to say he played consistently good in 3 games, but he was also good in parts of the others. The team on the whole has to get it together and then do it consistently. Part of this is like all teams without a preseason.

He has been the leader and best player in my eyes, and I realize that isn’t a nice compliment given the state of games but without him they would be up the creek without a paddle.

Dunn to Philly makes no sense to me. I find it hard to believe hes on the block.

He's a young kid who played on STL top 4 last season. Was on the top PP. He had a bad game in LA and was a healthy scratch which isnt rare for a player not playing well. He has a low cap hit.

Why would they giving him away for a lesser D like Friedman or Hagg?

This is the fallacy of analytics. Expected goals don't win games. When you're a top player counted on for offense, you need to consistently produce for the team. Too many games Giroux has been ordinary despite having a positive share of shot attempts. That's all great if you're a secondary support player but when you're the team's top LW, you need to score and create more.
- MJL

Yes, and to me G just has to shoot more, he has a great shot and I were coaching him I would keep harping on him to shoot when he can. Overall the Flyers shots/game are down this year, so its not just him, but as you rightly state he is the team's top left wing, so take initiative and make a play. Same for Patrick, get the puck and make something happen instead of deferring to others on the team.

It's just a salary cap space saving move. He can still practice. Tomorrow, he'll go back on the active roster.
- bmeltzer

Thank you

I think it is more accurate to say he played consistently good in 3 games, but he was also good in parts of the others. The team on the whole has to get it together and then do it consistently. Part of this is like all teams without a preseason.

He has been the leader and best player in my eyes, and I realize that isn’t a nice compliment given the state of games but without him they would be up the creek without a paddle.
- NC Flyers Fan

I agree, what is obvious to me is G came into this season ready and with something to prove. His skating is better, his compete is better. G needs to be more consistent and he needs his linemates to be. I think all players go stretches during game where they are not noticeable. Crosby at time in the first 2 games and Malkin most of the time in the first two games. If the team isn't playing well overall it diminish even a good effort

Hopefully. I think Giroux had played 3 good games out of 7. He needs to be consistent.
- MJL

Throw TK in there , he’s had a few games where he is totally irrelevant, our “all star”

Dunn to Philly makes no sense to me. I find it hard to believe hes on the block.

He's a young kid who played on STL top 4 last season. Was on the top PP. He had a bad game in LA and was a healthy scratch which isnt rare for a player not playing well. He has a low cap hit.

Why would they giving him away for a lesser D like Friedman or Hagg?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They wouldn't, I agree with you.

It's just a salary cap space saving move. He can still practice. Tomorrow, he'll go back on the active roster.
- bmeltzer

Paper moves must be really frustrating for some of these guys... Bunny's pay goes from $6k+ per day on the active roster down to like $600 on the taxi squad.

I think it is more accurate to say he played consistently good in 3 games, but he was also good in parts of the others. The team on the whole has to get it together and then do it consistently. Part of this is like all teams without a preseason.

He has been the leader and best player in my eyes, and I realize that isn’t a nice compliment given the state of games but without him they would be up the creek without a paddle.
- NC Flyers Fan

I see it differently. In the other games, Giroux was a non factor offensively. He hasn't played near the level the Flyers need him to play at.

Throw TK in there , he’s had a few games where he is totally irrelevant, our “all star”
- ClaudeFather

Agreed, last few games, Konecny has not been good.

Yes, and to me G just has to shoot more, he has a great shot and I were coaching him I would keep harping on him to shoot when he can. Overall the Flyers shots/game are down this year, so its not just him, but as you rightly state he is the team's top left wing, so take initiative and make a play. Same for Patrick, get the puck and make something happen instead of deferring to others on the team.
- jd250

The entire team has been passing up shots trying to make one more pass. Look at the good things that happened in the game last night when the Flyers get the puck on net with traffic in front. Simplify the game.

I see it differently. In the other games, Giroux was a non factor offensively. He hasn't played near the level the Flyers need him to play at.
- MJL

I agree he needs to be but I like how engaged he is, I think it is confidence a little, I think last night will give him a boost.

If his confidence continues to pick up, I would like to see him back with Jake and Patrick in the middle.

I agree, what is obvious to me is G came into this season ready and with something to prove. His skating is better, his compete is better. G needs to be more consistent and he needs his linemates to be. I think all players go stretches during game where they are not noticeable. Crosby at time in the first 2 games and Malkin most of the time in the first two games. If the team isn't playing well overall it diminish even a good effort
- wcorvette

When Couturier comes back, I put Giroux on his LW and leave him there.

When Couturier comes back, I put Giroux on his LW and leave him there.
- MJL

How about just bench him!

When Couturier comes back, I put Giroux on his LW and leave him there.
- MJL

with G playing well you could put him most places but I also like Lindblom and TK with Coots. That leaves JVR , Hayes and Farabee. just a gut feeling but if G is playing well I think he and Jake can have a small renaissance and Patrick would reap those benefits.

Dunn to Philly makes no sense to me. I find it hard to believe hes on the block.

He's a young kid who played on STL top 4 last season. Was on the top PP. He had a bad game in LA and was a healthy scratch which isnt rare for a player not playing well. He has a low cap hit.

Why would they giving him away for a lesser D like Friedman or Hagg?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No its pretty obvious he's on the block. They floated him in the offseason and again now. He was removed from all pp until he gets more consistent on 5 on 5. He was benched for a bad showing. And its being reported by every major outlet not just Eklund that his name is out there.

He would not be traded for friedmam or hagg period. Those guys are salary pieces to make a deal work. Youre looking at a 2nd and prospect or a first rounder.

How about just bench him!
- Flyers_1488

Thats ridiculous. G has been up and down. But hes 55% in the face off circle. He has 6 assists. Hes plus. His corsi is better than most the team. He was a big part in a well oiled pp.

He needs to be better but he has not been awful.

with G playing well you could put him most places but I also like Lindblom and TK with Coots. That leaves JVR , Hayes and Farabee. just a gut feeling but if G is playing well I think he and Jake can have a small renaissance and Patrick would reap those benefits.
- wcorvette

Possible but I believe playing him with Couturier gives him the best chance at high scoring. I think Lindblom is going to need some significant time to get back to where he was before his illness.

Dunn to Philly makes no sense to me. I find it hard to believe hes on the block.

He's a young kid who played on STL top 4 last season. Was on the top PP. He had a bad game in LA and was a healthy scratch which isnt rare for a player not playing well. He has a low cap hit.

Why would they giving him away for a lesser D like Friedman or Hagg?


- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It definitely wouldn’t make sense if you assume one of these players are going the other way.

I’m hoping by this time next season we won’t have to choose between Shayne Gostisbehere or Erik Gustafson. Ghost from what I see is the better of the two but they’re two Similar. The Flyers do not need these types of defensemen. Losing Matt Niskanen is a huge hole. I think finding a similar player to Niskanen is what we need or a young Brayden Coburn or a young Jason Smith. The perfect compliment, stay at home (or puck mover) to the number one.

We've all been saying for years "He needs to shoot more rather than look for the pass...". We could be talking about Coots, G, Jake, and then Hayes and now Patrick.
For the first four you should just realize they're not going to change their instincts now no matter how much it'd be swell. Their instinct is playmaker (actually something we desperately needed in the pre Forsberg era of Roenick, Primeau, et al -- how times have changed!)
We need a Gagne, someone who can take the blind playmaker pass at even strength and has the hands to put it in the net. I swear that's what management was hoping from JvR, but he's just pp deflections -- not the same thing. Oscar was looking like a candidate until he got sick. TK was looking like the candidate but now???
How do you have a team of playmakers without the guy who can get in position to receive the unexpected pass and finish? Makes more sense to get one than to expect our leopards to change their spots.
If we had had Forsberg without Gagne we'd have been talking about his needing to shoot more.

I realize what you're saying and this is nitpicking but it's not cap circumvention. Something that would be considered cap circumvention would be illegal and in violation of the CBA. Moving players from the active roster to the taxi squad is a legal move.
- MJL

Correct. Cap management is what they are doing.