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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 27 @ 2:49 PM ET
First, No, I have not been paying attention the the freak'n Maple Leafs at the depth that you apparently do. Second, I have not been consistently wrong, but I have been wrong on occasion and that's OK, SO HAVE YOU, whether you want to admit it or not. So I have no problem admitting, for example, that I didn't realize that JVR scored so many ES goals nor that I didn't realize what a plus Corsi he was with Toronto. So I can see why now Hextall wanted him, though now that we have a few years of hindsight, was it the right move? NO!


- jd250


So you're saying that you have zero awareness that the Leafs had to struggle and make moves to get cap compliant coming into the season? None at all? Hmmm! Sounds like a lame excuse. How about the ability to access capfreindly?
You have been consistently wrong. I haven't seen where you pointed out that I've been wrong about anything in our interactions.


And for the record, I don't ask posters if they have actually watched the game, I have only asked you that question and for good reason, because of some of the takes you have posted here. Last night was a "poop show" IMO and I explained why I thought so. If you think it wasn't, great, wonderful, that's your opinion based on what you watched. But lets make it clear, there is only one poster on this site that bashes anyone who doesn't see the same thing he sees, and that is undoubtedly, without question --- YOU!

BUT I still like you ... and still value your inputs!

- jd250



Yes you have. Multiple times. Do I need to point out where? I'm not bashing you because you were wrong. I don't have that kind of time with how frequently you are wrong. It's about the hyperbole for me.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jan 27 @ 2:55 PM ET
Per AV myers went to him and said put him in hes ready and rotated in with Friedman at practice. Av says he's not quite ready but very close. Sounds like you'll get him back next week.
- Tfaehner


There’s no way he plays bc our team has been deemed soft. Soft players milk injuries.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 27 @ 2:57 PM ET
Doesn't matter how you get in. LA won the cup barely making the playoffs. My point was the Flyers had the better team up front
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Better than Kane, Toews, Sharp and Hossa? I mean it was close I guess since Richards and Carter that year each had 30+ goals, but Chicago was better coached, had a better goalie (Antti Niemi of all people), more scorers and better defensive depth. They were 24 points better than the Flyers in the regular season and they proved ultimately they were the better team with 3 cups in 6 seasons to our 0. Do teams get lucky from time to time, get hot at the right moment, sure they do, but more often than not, the better team prevails.
therabbi
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Joined: 10.14.2020

Jan 27 @ 3:08 PM ET
So it's another example of how you're uninformed. Which normally is okay but you have a habit for hyperbole. "Hextall was stupid". Last night was a "poop show". Telling posters "have you actually watched the game when you've been consistently wrong as I've pointed out in our interactions.
- MJL

Honestly, MJL, I'd quit while you're ahead. I tuned into some of those Toronto games and I wouldn't brag about JVR. He was pretty much a minus player every season in Toronto, I think minus 33 one year, and I think his best year was a plus three, often with the best linemates they could offer.
To me, they got better the day he hit free agency.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 27 @ 3:10 PM ET
So you're saying that you have zero awareness that the Leafs had to struggle and make moves to get cap compliant coming into the season? None at all? Hmmm! Sounds like a lame excuse. How about the ability to access capfreindly?
You have been consistently wrong. I haven't seen where you pointed out that I've been wrong about anything in our interactions.

- MJL

Its not about being right or wrong, we have our perspectives and opinions and we share them with like minded people. I would never consider your opinions to be "consistently wrong" because they are yours and you are free to share them, and most of the time I value them. However since you asked here is a list off the top of my head: I think you are wrong when you say that last night was a good step forward for the Flyers. I think if they played the Bruins last night, they would have lost BIG again! I think you are wrong when you state the Flyers have elite offensive talent. I think you are wrong when you state that the Flyers are not a slow team. I think you are wrong when you state the Flyers don't need a significant change in their personal.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 27 @ 3:12 PM ET
Rutherford resigned from Pittsburgh
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Interesting. This guy was always wheeling and dealing.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 27 @ 3:13 PM ET
Honestly, MJL, I'd quit while you're ahead. I tuned into some of those Toronto games and I wouldn't brag about JVR. He was pretty much a minus player every season in Toronto, I think minus 33 one year, and I think his best year was a plus three, often with the best linemates they could offer.
To me, they got better the day he hit free agency.

- therabbi

MJL doesn't care about stats that do not support his arguments and thus don't enable him to call someone else wrong.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 27 @ 3:15 PM ET
Yes you have. Multiple times. Do I need to point out where? I'm not bashing you because you were wrong. I don't have that kind of time with how frequently you are wrong. It's about the hyperbole for me.
- MJL

And for the record, you asked me if I actually watched the game today!
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jan 27 @ 3:19 PM ET
Interesting. This guy was always wheeling and dealing.
- Pelle31Forever



I think he just realized that he can't possibly make anymore trades with the combination of cap, roster, and prospects he has and now he wants to go somewhere else where he can make at least one trade every day until he's ready to retire.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 27 @ 3:24 PM ET
Honestly, MJL, I'd quit while you're ahead. I tuned into some of those Toronto games and I wouldn't brag about JVR. He was pretty much a minus player every season in Toronto, I think minus 33 one year, and I think his best year was a plus three, often with the best linemates they could offer.
To me, they got better the day he hit free agency.

- therabbi



What does that have to do with whether JVR was just a PP goal scorer and Hextall was stupid to expect goals at ES? For the record, in the two seasons I referenced, JVR was a -2 and a +1.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 27 @ 3:24 PM ET
And for the record, you asked me if I actually watched the game today!
- jd250



Which obviously went right over your head.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jan 27 @ 3:28 PM ET
And for the record, you asked me if I actually watched the game today!
- jd250


Is this still fun? I’m not really enjoying it.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 27 @ 3:30 PM ET
Is this still fun? I’m not really enjoying it.
- Dkos

MJL gets dragged into deep rabbit holes with particular posters that never seem to end
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jan 27 @ 3:31 PM ET
I think he just realized that he can't possibly make anymore trades with the combination of cap, roster, and prospects he has and now he wants to go somewhere else where he can make at least one trade every day until he's ready to retire.
- Doc_Sarcasm


From Ek’s post, at first, I thought he was saying Rutherford quit to go to Israel where vaccination rates are much higher. Ha ha.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 27 @ 3:31 PM ET
Its not about being right or wrong, we have our perspectives and opinions and we share them with like minded people. I would never consider your opinions to be "consistently wrong" because they are yours and you are free to share them, and most of the time I value them. However since you asked here is a list off the top of my head: I think you are wrong when you say that last night was a good step forward for the Flyers. I think if they played the Bruins last night, they would have lost BIG again! I think you are wrong when you state the Flyers have elite offensive talent. I think you are wrong when you state that the Flyers are not a slow team. I think you are wrong when you state the Flyers don't need a significant change in their personal.
- jd250



So you're basing it on a hypothetical about what you think might have happened if they had played Boston? Rather than the FACT that they did some good things, improved in some areas and WON the game 5-3? I understand. When you respond the way you do and condescendingly ask people if they watched the game, yes it is about right and wrong.

I've already in detail pointed out how you're wrong about the Flyers being a slow team. I was hoping you would learn something.
I haven't stated that the Flyers have elite offensive talent. I pointed out that the Flyers have an elite two way center in Sean Couturier. I also pointed out that the Flyers have offensive depth. They also have a budding elite goaltender although he's not there yet.
What I've also stated in detail is that the Flyers in the current environment are not going to be able to trade their way to contention. That it's going to need to happen with continued internal growth of their young players. I have been consistent in that belief for a long time. So you may think I'm wrong about some things but you can't support it in debate.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jan 27 @ 3:32 PM ET
From Ek’s post, at first, I thought he was saying Rutherford quit to go to Israel where vaccination rates are much higher. Ha ha.
- Dkos



LOL. now i need to go read what Ek wrote. Usually I don't torture myself with that sort of thing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 27 @ 3:34 PM ET
MJL doesn't care about stats that do not support his arguments and thus don't enable him to call someone else wrong.
- jd250



The "argument" we had about JVR was about his ability to score goals at ES. You stated that Hextall was stupid to think that he could. We also determined that you were uninformed about his ES goal scoring ability. What does his +/- have to do with his ability to score at ES? How does his +/- support your claim that Hextall was stupid to expect JVR to score at ES and that he was just a PP goal scorer?

We can already see what you have been reduced to with your responses.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 27 @ 3:34 PM ET
MJL gets dragged into deep rabbit holes with particular posters that never seem to end
- ClaudeFather



NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 27 @ 3:34 PM ET

So show of hands...who thinks this means Penguins will tank?

Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Jan 27 @ 3:57 PM ET
Rutherford resigned from Pittsburgh
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Dam. Was hoping he’d trade more 1 at rounders before he left.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 27 @ 3:58 PM ET
Absolutely need another two points from the devils. Hopefully this next game is better than our last and the team continues to get back to an acceptable level of play. We have been lucky to grab some wins while playing bad hockey, let’s turn this around.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 27 @ 4:08 PM ET
Possible but I believe playing him with Couturier gives him the best chance at high scoring. I think Lindblom is going to need some significant time to get back to where he was before his illness.
- MJL



yeah he does play well with Coots, just a gut on my part and how I feel jake and G will bring the best out of Patrick
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 27 @ 4:12 PM ET
What does that have to do with whether JVR was just a PP goal scorer and Hextall was stupid to expect goals at ES? For the record, in the two seasons I referenced, JVR was a -2 and a +1.
- MJL



and scored as one of the best forwards 5V5 last season. Sorry but I believe JVR gets overbashed, sometimes he earns it but... Said it and still believe it, was a mistake to sit him in the PO's. I understand it but it was a mistake in my opinion.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 27 @ 4:22 PM ET
and scored as one of the best forwards 5V5 last season. Sorry but I believe JVR gets overbashed, sometimes he earns it but... Said it and still believe it, was a mistake to sit him in the PO's. I understand it but it was a mistake in my opinion.
- wcorvette

He’s tough to watch, never really has the puck on his stick, tends to just cycle the puck and get to his spots. He has looked better lately though.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 27 @ 4:29 PM ET
He’s tough to watch, never really has the puck on his stick, tends to just cycle the puck and get to his spots. He has looked better lately though.
- ClaudeFather



yeah if you are looking for someone to watch, its not him but he is paid to get to the next and put it in, put him with the right line, give him PP time and stick with it.
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