I’m unable to work remote and have been working the entire time. I’ve been around people pre and current mask laws in close quarters and haven’t gotten it. People I work with have tested positive and no one else in their house tests positive. It doesn’t make any sense. Also this is way worse than the nfl was and they have a lot more personnel compared to a hockey team.
- shvingter88

You can't really compare the NBA/NHL to the NFL, because the NFL has greatly benefited from playing outdoors, and the teams that play in domes are much larger than NHL arenas. There's already reports out talking about how the NBA and NHL need to think about it and deal with it much differently than the NFL because the ventilation is just worse in smaller, indoor arenas. Also add in that the NHL teams are traveling lot more and playing way more frequently than the NFL does. The NHL has it even harder than the NBA too because they have a larger staff and rosters playing in the same sized arenas

All in all, the NHL has just done a very poor job planning and dealing with how everything should be handled. They seemed to not really have a plan and were just winging it. The league needs to make changes, and it needs to happen quickly because this will continue to happen to more teams as we go along here

And we already aren't the most recent team. Wild now have an outbreak, roughly half-dozen players added to the covid list

Official list is out. We're now up to 17 players on the list. Bastian, Sharangovich, and Gusev have joined it

Wild put 6 players on the list, Buffalo added another 2. Pens and Avs add 1 as well

Any updates on how holtz is doing in the SHL
- dmarsden2988

Bust

Any updates on how holtz is doing in the SHL
- dmarsden2988

Pretty good, 16 points in 26 games. For comparison Raymond is 17 points in 30 games. He slowed down a bit after he came back from the world juniors but it came out that he was playing through a back injury at the world juniors and his first 2 games back in Sweden, so they sat him out for a week and a half-2 weeks to let him rest up and it seems like everythings good now. Also doesnt help coming back from an injury to playing with a rotating door at center because Eklund has been out. Can't wait for him to get over here, him on Jacks wing will be so fun to watch in the future

You can't really compare the NBA/NHL to the NFL, because the NFL has greatly benefited from playing outdoors, and the teams that play in domes are much larger than NHL arenas. There's already reports out talking about how the NBA and NHL need to think about it and deal with it much differently than the NFL because the ventilation is just worse in smaller, indoor arenas. Also add in that the NHL teams are traveling lot more and playing way more frequently than the NFL does. The NHL has it even harder than the NBA too because they have a larger staff and rosters playing in the same sized arenas

All in all, the NHL has just done a very poor job planning and dealing with how everything should be handled. They seemed to not really have a plan and were just winging it. The league needs to make changes, and it needs to happen quickly because this will continue to happen to more teams as we go along here
- vlongo4419

We have a few hundred people working inside in close contact and it hasn’t been as bad as the nhl

The whole point of shutting the team down is that it was spreading probably while players were still testing negative. You have to stop the spread first otherwise those minor leaguers will just get infected. Once we can confirm that the players aren't infected, then we'll be back on the ice. I don't think they will wait for Zacha, Johnsson, etc to get healthy either.

And theres two simple solutions for the games, make them up at the end of the season or just remove some from that division.
- rmdevil313

I don't understand how that makes sense. The guys have been identified, and need 3 negative tests over a minimum of 48 hours to return to their team. So how is it preventing a spread when they have been removed. Many guys were not on the list for covid protocols, and if we shut down every team that has 2-5 guys who "potentially" came in contact, what message does that say to all the other professionals in the system that would die for a chance to play in this league. We can't keep shutting the league down because a tiny population has had potential exposure, and are in the quarantine protocol. Players should be held somewhat accountable for how serious they take these protocols, and if they are violating the rules in any fashion, they can stand to miss a few games. Don't get me wrong, I am not blaming the players for contacting this virus (some of them have wives working directly on the front lines so I understand it can be very difficult to avoid), but some guys certainly do play fast and lose, and there is a taxi squad and AHL club for this very reason.

Wonder if the league is going to turn a blind eye to this. Makes you even wonder if it was intentional, trying to get a leg up on Buffalo ahead in the standings. NJ knows they don’t have a chance this year - why not take out someone who has a chance, Tonya Harding esq?
Washington paid the price, never got a break. NJ seems to get a good coddled here and there, wonder what they have on Bettman.
Fair is only fair if it’s fair for everyone

I don't understand how that makes sense. The guys have been identified, and need 3 negative tests over a minimum of 48 hours to return to their team. So how is it preventing a spread when they have been removed. Many guys were not on the list for covid protocols, and if we shut down every team that has 2-5 guys who "potentially" came in contact, what message does that say to all the other professionals in the system that would die for a chance to play in this league. We can't keep shutting the league down because a tiny population has had potential exposure, and are in the quarantine protocol. Players should be held somewhat accountable for how serious they take these protocols, and if they are violating the rules in any fashion, they can stand to miss a few games. Don't get me wrong, I am not blaming the players for contacting this virus (some of them have wives working directly on the front lines so I understand it can be very difficult to avoid), but some guys certainly do play fast and lose, and there is a taxi squad and AHL club for this very reason.
- bikeguy99

Because you don’t test positive the second you get Covid. We still might see more players added to the list in the next few days and that’s why you can’t just bring in 15 new guys and expect the problem to be solved. Also it wasn’t “2-5 guys who might have come in contact” that poop the team down. It was multiple positive tests that happened in a short period of time.

Also, devils didn’t break any protocols, it’s just there is no way to completely eliminate risks when trying to play hockey indoors.

Wonder if the league is going to turn a blind eye to this. Makes you even wonder if it was intentional, trying to get a leg up on Buffalo ahead in the standings. NJ knows they don’t have a chance this year - why not take out someone who has a chance, Tonya Harding esq?
Washington paid the price, never got a break. NJ seems to get a good coddled here and there, wonder what they have on Bettman.
Fair is only fair if it’s fair for everyone
- halo63

This is a really dumb comment.

Wonder if the league is going to turn a blind eye to this. Makes you even wonder if it was intentional, trying to get a leg up on Buffalo ahead in the standings. NJ knows they don’t have a chance this year - why not take out someone who has a chance, Tonya Harding esq?
Washington paid the price, never got a break. NJ seems to get a good coddled here and there, wonder what they have on Bettman.
Fair is only fair if it’s fair for everyone
- halo63

Other than stupid comment

What makes buffalo have a chance? Other than the PP they haven't looked that good

so how long until the season is canceled?

Because you don’t test positive the second you get Covid. We still might see more players added to the list in the next few days and that’s why you can’t just bring in 15 new guys and expect the problem to be solved. Also it wasn’t “2-5 guys who might have come in contact” that poop the team down. It was multiple positive tests that happened in a short period of time.

Also, devils didn’t break any protocols, it’s just there is no way to completely eliminate risks when trying to play hockey indoors.
- rmdevil313

Right. Which is why the latest 4 players are under "covid protocol". I understand that they did not test positive, at least not yet, but may have been in contact. So removing them from the equation contains this.

And how can you know if Devs players or any players have not broken protocol? I fully believe that contact tracing is the reason that this has occurred, and that proper response has been taken. The players who did not have these contacts should carry on and play in my opinion. Lots of guys in the system would be happy to throw on the Devs uniform and hit the ice. We can go over the "what-if's" for contamination for days and days, and if we are going to be that picky, then the league should just shut down. I hope we don't have to take it to these extremes, and can allow guys who have avoided the trace contact, and passed the daily screening to throw on the skates and do what they get paid to do on a daily basis.

so how long until the season is canceled?
- Pomegrant

I’d put the over/under at the 1st week of March at this rate.

so how long until the season is canceled?
- Pomegrant

I don't think it'll be cancelled, but i can see them doing a 2 week pause. A cup will be handed out. The league needs to keep making changes to the guidelines/protocols, which has started today. Both the NFL and MLB were poop shows as well at the start of their seasons but they made adjustments and got through it, i believe the NHL will be able to do the same. It'll just be harder with less ventilation and air circulation

Wonder if the league is going to turn a blind eye to this. Makes you even wonder if it was intentional, trying to get a leg up on Buffalo ahead in the standings. NJ knows they don’t have a chance this year - why not take out someone who has a chance, Tonya Harding esq?
Washington paid the price, never got a break. NJ seems to get a good coddled here and there, wonder what they have on Bettman.
Fair is only fair if it’s fair for everyone
- halo63

This is without question, the dumbest thing I will read on the internet for quite some time

Aaron Dell is off the covid list, no new additions for the Devils

Right. Which is why the latest 4 players are under "covid protocol". I understand that they did not test positive, at least not yet, but may have been in contact. So removing them from the equation contains this.

And how can you know if Devs players or any players have not broken protocol? I fully believe that contact tracing is the reason that this has occurred, and that proper response has been taken. The players who did not have these contacts should carry on and play in my opinion. Lots of guys in the system would be happy to throw on the Devs uniform and hit the ice. We can go over the "what-if's" for contamination for days and days, and if we are going to be that picky, then the league should just shut down. I hope we don't have to take it to these extremes, and can allow guys who have avoided the trace contact, and passed the daily screening to throw on the skates and do what they get paid to do on a daily basis.
- bikeguy99

The close contact thing is not 100% effective. If it was, Blackwood would have been the only one to make the list. The situation in our lockerroom has gotten to the point where its better to shut down for a short period of time. I don't know why temporarily pausing is such a travesty to you.

And the NHL had no problem coming out against Washington when they broke protocol, so unless the NHL comes out and says the devils did, I don't think we should act like they did.

So something interesting that Friedman brought up on his pod last week and was reiterated tonight on insider trading, is that the NHL is considering pushing the draft back to next summer and having the '21 and '22 drafts back to back. Apparently the GMs are very much in favor of doing this. That would be wild

So something interesting that Friedman brought up on his pod last week and was reiterated tonight on insider trading, is that the NHL is considering pushing the draft back to next summer and having the '21 and '22 drafts back to back. Apparently the GMs are very much in favor of doing this. That would be wild
- vlongo4419

Seems like a reasonable proposal seeing that most developmental leagues are not operating or are in limited play in North America.

Seems like a reasonable proposal seeing that most developmental leagues are not operating or are in limited play in North America.
- Pomegrant

For sure, its only fair for both the players and the scouting teams. Could really make for an insane summer, i'd be all for it

So something interesting that Friedman brought up on his pod last week and was reiterated tonight on insider trading, is that the NHL is considering pushing the draft back to next summer and having the '21 and '22 drafts back to back. Apparently the GMs are very much in favor of doing this. That would be wild
- vlongo4419

I feel bad for these kids that were hoping to be drafted and haven’t been playing for a long time

The close contact thing is not 100% effective. If it was, Blackwood would have been the only one to make the list. The situation in our lockerroom has gotten to the point where its better to shut down for a short period of time. I don't know why temporarily pausing is such a travesty to you.

And the NHL had no problem coming out against Washington when they broke protocol, so unless the NHL comes out and says the devils did, I don't think we should act like they did.
- rmdevil313

I'm really trying to avoid the politics of this. Yes the league came down on Washington, because it was posted on social media. They were way to obvious (regardless whether you agree that guys who train/celebrate/sit together on the bench should also be allowed to sit in a hotel room). My point is, nobody is perfect, cross contamination is EVERYWHERE, and if the league is to actually play a decent amount of games, eliminate the potential contaminants as quickly as possible, call up the other professionals, and let the show go on. The NHL has done a great job in dealing with this situation, and if the players don't want another "bubble" situation, they had better find a way to make this work. I think AHL players should be rewarded for their quarantine dedication, and teams that don't take it as serious, or are simply dealt an unprecedented outbreak may have to dig deep and see what their depth players can do. Otherwise why even have an NHL season. Every team has guys in the system that can fill out a roster.

I feel bad for these kids that were hoping to be drafted and haven’t been playing for a long time
- shvingter88

Absolutely! It's terrible for the kids, and I have no clue how scouts are performing their jobs. Here in Northern Ontario, our local AAA team plays in the Manitoba division. Lots of NHL and NCAA scouts in attendance but since the border closed they have only practiced this entire season. Last year 4 of the kids were able to make the jump to the OHL, and this years group has yet to be seen by any scouts. It's a tough year for the kids who may be reaching their last chance to move on to the next level.

Just a hunch that we won’t be resuming games tomorrow.. right?