we're exaggerating how depleted this lineup is

those 6 D are all regulars

our top 3 centres are all playing

the bottom forward line won't see many minutes

Carter Hart is Carter Hart
- Coburns_Nose

They're depleted. Can't pretend otherwise even with Couturier, Hayes and Patrick available. There's one legit line (25-14-86). By necessity, Raffl and NAK are playing six spots up from their normal 5-on-5 roles. Patrick was scuffling before the pause.

There is an article in The NY Times which describes pretty much the same findings that you mentioned. It concluded with this “ . So far we have no evidence of people getting sick like that, but according to our models we found that this is possible.
- Djapana

I will answer your point as carefully as I can.

Does the media sensationalize bad news? of course it does. It sensationalizes every single thing. It's part of the modern business model of news.

But look carefully at the other side of the coin. Often, the reason it is very hard to find 'direct evidence' of such transmission is because the person has typically had multiple sources of exposure, and it is hard to find the exact reason why the person got infected.

Consider the case we are discussing. Lets say we are on the same flight. I crapped and am infected and did not flush and you got infected and you had used the loo. How does anyone know whether an air current or an intermediary or somebody else gave you the infection? In the best of times, this would be difficult to determine. Nowadays, where even rudimentary tracing is not being done b/c of overstretched resources, it is hard theoretically, and impossible logistically.

Could it be that there is just a theoretical possibility of toilet transmission of Covid but in reality it doesn't happen or is very unlikely (as happened with the case of oral transmission of HIV)? Sure. But we are finding more and evidence that the virus lingers in the air and is transmissible through aerosolized particles, not just mucus droplets. We also know the virus is not getting killed by the digestive enzymes, unlike the common cold coronavirus (see, for example https://www.nature.com/articles/s41545-020-00096-w). There is also at least 1 published study I am aware of which has linked the two: https://www.infectiousdis...-transmission-sars-cov-2/

Thus, we cannot rule out the possibility that it is indeed a danger source. That the reasons there is no smoking gun is not because there is none, but b/c it is hard to find. Everything about the airplane lavatory has a bad smell (if you will forgive the pun) in this regard: the cramped space, the flushing that disintegrates the body waste, the fact that people will often take their masks off to wash their face etc.

There are many risks that are unavoidable. If you are gonna play hockey, you will share proximity to others on a bench who are breathing hard. You yourself were in the merchant navy, iirc, and as such, faced the risk of fires, and piracy and seasickness and so on.

But it is pretty easy to avoid using toilets in reasonably short fights for the most part. Go before and after, and don't drink beverages during.

Nobody except inconvincable idiots doubt that Covid is a serious risk. A frequent poster here had his brother-in-law pass away from Covid. A congressman-elect from LA who was early 40s, fit and with no underlying conditions died a couple of weeks ago. We have learned a lot about how to deal with Covid since the first days but it is still a very serious risk for death and damage and transmission to the vulnerable. Just look at the statistics. We are experiencing carnage that is many, many times the damage done by flu, and the damage done by flu is without social distancing, masks etc.

Risk/reward tradeoffs are a personal choice in our society. But it seems to me that if you are going to take serious risks in life of your own choosing, make them count for more worthwhile causes. Volunteer for the vaccine trials, work for a human rights organization in Myanmar, etc. etc.

Going to the supermarket and not wearing your mask properly does seem like a bloody pathetic reason to cause damage to yourself and to others.

we're exaggerating how depleted this lineup is

those 6 D are all regulars

our top 3 centres are all playing

the bottom forward line won't see many minutes

Carter Hart is Carter Hart
- Coburns_Nose

Someone’s having a bad day

Thanks.

It does seems like your job involves a lot of travel and flying from Texas, BLT?

One last word before I dip-out of this dip-back.

When flying, avoid airplane toilets. Use airport toilets as much as possible before and after. The air circulation and the closed cubicle make them dangerous. And avoid flushing before use if it is dirty. Body wastes contain a lot of viruses, and flushing releases them into the air effusively.

If you have to use toilet, aim at ceramic, minimize splatter, secure face mask, lower lid, and flush only before exiting.
- PT21

If there was going to be a poster in these threads that was an expert at using airplane toilets, it would certainly be the fella that's an expert in everything else.

I will answer your point as carefully as I can.

Does the media sensationalize bad news? of course it does. It sensationalizes every single thing. It's part of the modern business model of news.

But look carefully at the other side of the coin. Often, the reason it is very hard to find 'direct evidence' of such transmission is because the person has typically had multiple sources of exposure, and it is hard to find the exact reason why the person got infected.

Consider the case we are discussing. Lets say we are on the same flight. I crapped and am infected and did not flush and you got infected and you had used the loo. How does anyone know whether an air current or an intermediary or somebody else gave you the infection? In the best of times, this would be difficult to determine. Nowadays, where even rudimentary tracing is not being done b/c of overstretched resources, it is hard theoretically, and impossible logistically.

Could it be that there is just a theoretical possibility of toilet transmission of Covid but in reality it doesn't happen or is very unlikely (as happened with the case of oral transmission of HIV)? Sure. But we are finding more and evidence that the virus lingers in the air and is transmissible through aerosolized particles, not just mucus droplets. We also know the virus is not getting killed by the digestive enzymes, unlike the common cold coronavirus (see, for example https://www.nature.com/articles/s41545-020-00096-w). There is also at least 1 published study I am aware of which has linked the two: https://www.infectiousdis...-transmission-sars-cov-2/

Thus, we cannot rule out the possibility that it is indeed a danger source. That the reasons there is no smoking gun is not because there is none, but b/c it is hard to find. Everything about the airplane lavatory has a bad smell (if you will forgive the pun) in this regard: the cramped space, the flushing that disintegrates the body waste, the fact that people will often take their masks off to wash their face etc.

There are many risks that are unavoidable. If you are gonna play hockey, you will share proximity to others on a bench who are breathing hard. You yourself were in the merchant navy, iirc, and as such, faced the risk of fires, and piracy and seasickness and so on.

But it is pretty easy to avoid using toilets in reasonably short fights for the most part. Go before and after, and don't drink beverages during.

Nobody except inconvincable idiots doubt that Covid is a serious risk. A frequent poster here had his brother-in-law pass away from Covid. A congressman-elect from LA who was early 40s, fit and with no underlying conditions died a couple of weeks ago. We have learned a lot about how to deal with Covid since the first days but it is still a very serious risk for death and damage and transmission to the vulnerable. Just look at the statistics. We are experiencing carnage that is many, many times the damage done by flu, and the damage done by flu is without social distancing, masks etc.

Risk/reward tradeoffs are a personal choice in our society. But it seems to me that if you are going to take serious risks in life of your own choosing, make them count for more worthwhile causes. Volunteer for the vaccine trials, work for a human rights organization in Myanmar, etc. etc.

Going to the supermarket and not wearing your mask properly does seem like a bloody pathetic reason to cause damage to yourself and to others.
- PT21

Please stop

OMG.. those lines...

it'll be a miracle if we are even competitive in these games..
- Hextall271

I'm not really sure about that. There's a lot guys being given a big chance and I suspect they're all going to give it 110% effort. Will it be enough? Who knows.

Geez, they couldn't postpone one more game?

Get a good night's rest Hart.

Also don’t try and trim your hedges with the lawnmower.
Turn off your snowblower before trying to clear the blades and use the tool provided.
Don’t run your generator or bbq in the house.
Don’t blow dry your hair while taking a bath.
Don’t drink and drive.
Don’t walk on train tracks and definitely don’t if your wearing headphones.
The most important thing. Don’t send your kids to college.
- bird_dog_pa

Please stop
- ClaudeFather

Don't read it if you don't want to, darling.

A poster asked me a question. I gave him a detailed response.

I am afraid that's the way I rock and roll.

Don't read it if you don't want to, darling.

A poster asked me a question. I gave him a detailed response.

I am afraid that's the way I rock and roll.
- PT21

That's what we're all afraid, as well.

Don't read it if you don't want to, darling.

A poster asked me a question. I gave him a detailed response.

I am afraid that's the way I rock and roll.
- PT21

You got to be some type of weirdo man, god bless anyone in your life

You got to be some type of weirdo man, god bless anyone in your life
- ClaudeFather

Oh, You have no idea.

I am in reality a Masai from the Serengeti plains. Its the heart of darkness over here now, and I just drank some cattle blood.

Then I howled.

Then, bored, I peeked over here, and guess what, everyone is taking Covid!

Don't read it if you don't want to, darling.

A poster asked me a question. I gave him a detailed response.

I am afraid that's the way I rock and roll.
- PT21

I’m the poster and I never asked you a question. No way in hell I would ever waste my time doing that.

Thanks.

It does seems like your job involves a lot of travel and flying from Texas, BLT?

One last word before I dip-out of this dip-back.

When flying, avoid airplane toilets. Use airport toilets as much as possible before and after. The air circulation and the closed cubicle make them dangerous. And avoid flushing before use if it is dirty. Body wastes contain a lot of viruses, and flushing releases them into the air effusively.

If you have to use toilet, aim at ceramic, minimize splatter, secure face mask, lower lid, and flush only before exiting.
- PT21

I laughed my ass off reading this. The arrogance displayed here is staggering.

I’m the poster and I never asked you a question. No way in hell I would ever waste my time doing that.
- Djapana

Fair enough.

But you posted a rejoinder to my comment, one which I felt needed to be addressed.

It's quite likely wasted on you, but this is a public forum, and as such you were not the only person I had in mind when composing my response.

That's what we're all afraid, as well.
- Letterkenney

By "we" you mean guys like you? Don't worry.

Anyway, my years on this planet tells me you should save your fear for the consequences stemming from your own personal qualities (and choices, and limitations).

I will answer your point as carefully as I can.

Does the media sensationalize bad news? of course it does. It sensationalizes every single thing. It's part of the modern business model of news.

But look carefully at the other side of the coin. Often, the reason it is very hard to find 'direct evidence' of such transmission is because the person has typically had multiple sources of exposure, and it is hard to find the exact reason why the person got infected.

Consider the case we are discussing. Lets say we are on the same flight. I crapped and am infected and did not flush and you got infected and you had used the loo. How does anyone know whether an air current or an intermediary or somebody else gave you the infection? In the best of times, this would be difficult to determine. Nowadays, where even rudimentary tracing is not being done b/c of overstretched resources, it is hard theoretically, and impossible logistically.

Could it be that there is just a theoretical possibility of toilet transmission of Covid but in reality it doesn't happen or is very unlikely (as happened with the case of oral transmission of HIV)? Sure. But we are finding more and evidence that the virus lingers in the air and is transmissible through aerosolized particles, not just mucus droplets. We also know the virus is not getting killed by the digestive enzymes, unlike the common cold coronavirus (see, for example https://www.nature.com/articles/s41545-020-00096-w). There is also at least 1 published study I am aware of which has linked the two: https://www.infectiousdis...-transmission-sars-cov-2/

Thus, we cannot rule out the possibility that it is indeed a danger source. That the reasons there is no smoking gun is not because there is none, but b/c it is hard to find. Everything about the airplane lavatory has a bad smell (if you will forgive the pun) in this regard: the cramped space, the flushing that disintegrates the body waste, the fact that people will often take their masks off to wash their face etc.

There are many risks that are unavoidable. If you are gonna play hockey, you will share proximity to others on a bench who are breathing hard. You yourself were in the merchant navy, iirc, and as such, faced the risk of fires, and piracy and seasickness and so on.

But it is pretty easy to avoid using toilets in reasonably short fights for the most part. Go before and after, and don't drink beverages during.

Nobody except inconvincable idiots doubt that Covid is a serious risk. A frequent poster here had his brother-in-law pass away from Covid. A congressman-elect from LA who was early 40s, fit and with no underlying conditions died a couple of weeks ago. We have learned a lot about how to deal with Covid since the first days but it is still a very serious risk for death and damage and transmission to the vulnerable. Just look at the statistics. We are experiencing carnage that is many, many times the damage done by flu, and the damage done by flu is without social distancing, masks etc.

Risk/reward tradeoffs are a personal choice in our society. But it seems to me that if you are going to take serious risks in life of your own choosing, make them count for more worthwhile causes. Volunteer for the vaccine trials, work for a human rights organization in Myanmar, etc. etc.

Going to the supermarket and not wearing your mask properly does seem like a bloody pathetic reason to cause damage to yourself and to others.
- PT21

big yawn

By "we" you mean guys like you? Don't worry.

Anyway, my years on this planet tells me you should save your fear for the consequences stemming from your own personal qualities (and choices, and limitations).
- PT21

Would this be the same "we" that you referred to in your post on the previous page.

"But we are finding more and evidence that the virus lingers in the air and is transmissible through aerosolized particles, not just mucus droplets."

Did the ghost for tony d trade get announced yet?

Don't read it if you don't want to, darling.

A poster asked me a question. I gave him a detailed response.

I am afraid that's the way I rock and roll.
- PT21

Yea but your way out of line. Please go back to whatever you did the last two weeks. You weren’t missed. Just look at the last blog plus this one. A lot of people want you gone.

Yea but your way out of line. Please go back to whatever you did the last two weeks. You weren’t missed. Just look at the last blog plus this one. A lot of people want you gone.
- Angus4444

To be fair you don’t have to read his posts.
I disagree with 99% of any non hockey related posts but we shouldn’t be shutting people down.
There is enough of that going around.

Yea but your way out of line. Please go back to whatever you did the last two weeks. You weren’t missed. Just look at the last blog plus this one. A lot of people want you gone.
- Angus4444

I say he stays.

To be fair you don’t have to read his posts.
I disagree with 99% of any non hockey related posts but we shouldn’t be shutting people down.
There is enough of that going around.
- bird_dog_pa

I don’t, because I know how it is with him. I’m not shutting him down. That’s someone else’s job. He’s just long winded and insecure.

I say he stays.
- login

Me to unfortunately.

Didn't practice yesterday or today. Was likely moved temporarily to unavailable list from Taxi Squad (would assume due to Covid exposure or positive test).
- bmeltzer

Thanks.