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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 20 @ 1:13 PM ET
While Henrique would make a great 3c it’s probably not the best use of cap unless we are talking 50% retention.
- Feds91Stammer


I think 25% would be acceptable if McCann goes the other way. A little over $1M to have Henrique would be fine IMO. I know his contract is a little too long, but I still would take 25%. If they could get 50% without having to sell off all their assets then obviously you do it.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 20 @ 1:16 PM ET
Yeah. I'd definitely put a flyer out on Ryan. His scoring dried up after the first few games, but how's look away from the puck so far?
- Rinosaur

He does fine but he’s certainly never been an all around player. You’re getting him for that rare combo of size and skill. And 9 points in 18 games is damn impressive for the 2nd worst scoring team in the league.

Peep andyrono.com if you’re on a computer for some current season viz charts.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 20 @ 1:17 PM ET
He does fine but he’s certainly never been an all around player. You’re getting him for that rare combo of size and skill. And 9 points in 18 games is damn impressive for the 2nd worst scoring team in the league.

Peep andyrono.com if you’re on a computer for some current season viz charts.

- Feds91Stammer


Oh cool, thanks. I just pulled the site up.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 20 @ 1:17 PM ET
I think 25% would be acceptable if McCann goes the other way. A little over $1M to have Henrique would be fine IMO. I know his contract is a little too long, but I still would take 25%. If they could get 50% without having to sell off all their assets then obviously you do it.
- Rinosaur

Idk 4.35m I feel could be spent more wisely than on Henrique.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 20 @ 1:18 PM ET
I mean if we were capable of just jamming that size of contract into our cap, it would have been infinitely better to do it with Tyler Johnson.
- Victoro311

He doesn’t play long pants hockey.
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Feb 20 @ 1:18 PM ET
I think 25% would be acceptable if McCann goes the other way. A little over $1M to have Henrique would be fine IMO. I know his contract is a little too long, but I still would take 25%. If they could get 50% without having to sell off all their assets then obviously you do it.
- Rinosaur


For a team hoping to pick 1st overall Anaheim is against the cap and has 51 pro contracts in the organization. I see them only retaining for good draft picks. No players in return.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 20 @ 1:20 PM ET
Idk 4.35m I feel could be spent more wisely than on Henrique.
- Feds91Stammer


I've looked and there really aren't a lot of potential 3C options out there. At least ones that make sense to me. $4Mish for a high-end 3C seems about par for the course. Obviously you always want to find the best deal possible, so if the Pens can get 50% retention that would be great. I'm just not sure what the Pens would have to put in that deal to make it happen. They'd probably want Poulin or Legare and their 2nd as a start.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 20 @ 1:25 PM ET
I've looked and there really aren't a lot of potential 3C options out there. At least ones that make sense to me. $4Mish for a high-end 3C seems about par for the course. Obviously you always want to find the best deal possible, so if the Pens can get 50% retention that would be great. I'm just not sure what the Pens would have to put in that deal to make it happen. They'd probably want Poulin or Legare and their 2nd as a start.
- Rinosaur

Yeah I just don’t think you need a high end 3c. You just need competent players with some scoring ability. You already have an essentially elite checking line so the 3rd line just has to not lose you games.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 20 @ 1:28 PM ET
Yeah I just don’t think you need a high end 3c. You just need competent players with some scoring ability. You already have an essentially elite checking line so the 3rd line just has to not lose you games.
- Feds91Stammer


I don't think the Pens NEED a high-end 3C, but if it's possible I'd pull the trigger. That said, I do agree with you, which is why I like the idea of Lowry that someone brought up earlier, but I doubt he'll be available or even that Cullen-type which is why i was asking about Filppula.
chimpira
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.18.2015

Feb 20 @ 1:39 PM ET
Rags scratched JJ today vs Caps. What. A. Surpise!
123Kid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 07.03.2017

Feb 20 @ 1:40 PM ET
I don't think the Pens NEED a high-end 3C, but if it's possible I'd pull the trigger. That said, I do agree with you, which is why I like the idea of Lowry that someone brought up earlier, but I doubt he'll be available or even that Cullen-type which is why i was asking about Filppula.
- Rinosaur



Lowry might be available because of the log jam and need for a defenseman. Once Pierre-Luc Dubois returns tomorrow Lowry will be pushed down the lineup.
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Feb 20 @ 1:43 PM ET
Not that I would give merit to anything from Ek, and we obviously don’t need another LD, but damn I’d love Ekholm. That would def be petts going back the other way.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 20 @ 1:44 PM ET
Lowry might be available because of the log jam and need for a defenseman. Once Pierre-Luc Dubois returns tomorrow Lowry will be pushed down the lineup.
- 123Kid


I'd do it. I'm hesitant to move Riikola only because I believe one of Dumo, Petts or Matheson will no longer be a Penguin by next season and he's an ideal #7.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 20 @ 1:46 PM ET
Not that I would give merit to anything from Ek, and we obviously don’t need another LD, but damn I’d love Ekholm. That would def be petts going back the other way.
- 10inchTerror


But... why? This sounds like it would be a very JR move to make.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Feb 20 @ 1:48 PM ET
If we could get Henrique down to 4 Million cap I'd do it. Anaheim would want an asset to retain and I wouldn't want to give up much

Ideally

Henrique@4 Million for nothing

Trade Dumo for Picks, Keep McCann

Pick up Virtanen for almost nothing

Zucker Sid Kap
Jake Malkin Rust
McCann Henrique Virtanen
ZAR Blueger Tanev

Letang Pettersson
Marino Matheson
Ceci POJ

That 3rd line would be Boom or Bust, but line mixing would be an option. Virtanen might work with Sid or Geno
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Feb 20 @ 1:49 PM ET
But... why? This sounds like it would be a very JR move to make.
- Rinosaur


Ekholms pants are longer
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Feb 20 @ 1:51 PM ET
But... why? This sounds like it would be a very JR move to make.
- Rinosaur


I just really like ekholm. That’s prob a Burke move, if there was merit to ek’s rumour. Ekholm is a beast to play against, good skater, really good contract. Him and parayko were always 2 of my fav D
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 20 @ 1:54 PM ET
I just really like ekholm. That’s prob a Burke move, if there was merit to ek’s rumour. Ekholm is a beast to play against, good skater, really good contract. Him and parayko were always 2 of my fav D
- 10inchTerror


But now you're talking about moving having to move two dmen out unless that's part of the plan.

Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 20 @ 1:55 PM ET
If we could get Henrique down to 4 Million cap I'd do it. Anaheim would want an asset to retain and I wouldn't want to give up much

Ideally

Henrique@4 Million for nothing

Trade Dumo for Picks, Keep McCann

Pick up Virtanen for almost nothing

Zucker Sid Kap
Jake Malkin Rust
McCann Henrique Virtanen
ZAR Blueger Tanev

Letang Pettersson
Marino Matheson
Ceci POJ

That 3rd line would be Boom or Bust, but line mixing would be an option. Virtanen might work with Sid or Geno

- TheGame316

Trading Dumo would be a mistake.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 20 @ 1:57 PM ET
Trading Dumo would be a mistake.
- Feds91Stammer


We're getting Ekholm now, so yeah... lol
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 20 @ 1:59 PM ET
We're getting Ekholm now, so yeah... lol
- Rinosaur

Jake - Sid - Rust
Granlund - Johansen - Kap
Zucker - McCann - Ryan
ZAR - Blueger - Tanev

Dumo - Letang
Ekholm - Marino
POJ - Ceci
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Feb 20 @ 2:05 PM ET
Jake - Sid - Rust
Granlund - Johansen - Kap
Zucker - McCann - Ryan
ZAR - Blueger - Tanev

Dumo - Letang
Ekholm - Marino
POJ - Ceci

- Feds91Stammer


Where does Tatar fit?
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Feb 20 @ 2:05 PM ET
Trading Dumo would be a mistake.
- Feds91Stammer


I think we've seen the best of Dumo and he'd get the best return in terms of picks
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 20 @ 2:07 PM ET
Jake - Sid - Rust
Granlund - Johansen - Kap
Zucker - McCann - Ryan
ZAR - Blueger - Tanev

Dumo - Letang
Ekholm - Marino
POJ - Ceci

- Feds91Stammer


So Petterson, Geno and Matheson for Johansen, Granlund and Ekholm?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 20 @ 2:08 PM ET
So Petterson, Geno and Matheson for Johansen, Granlund and Ekholm?
- Rinosaur

Malkin finally gets to be the man.
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