Ain’t got nothin to do with early season struggles. Got everything to do with the roster and lack of depth.
- j.boyd919

I think both can be true.

What.. context do you need?
- j.boyd919

Or perhaps just the ability to remember a lot of the circumstances of the time(s).

Look at all the years between 2009 and 2016 they were up there with the heavy favorites to win it all, best on paper and didnt get past 2nd round....or 3rd vs B's

I would probably have the pens in the 10-12 range.
- Feds91Stammer

Ya I had them 8 at best, 11 at worst (at the start of the season.
Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Rust, Kapanen, Zucker, McCann, Blueger, Tanev, ZAR is a pretty legit top 10 forward group. The other 2 forwards... tough sledding there

Also using the circumstances as justification for losing isn’t really a great excuse. This team hasn’t been a contender for a while and needs some pretty significant upgrades if that’s going to change.
- Feds91Stammer

They weren't considered contenders at all, not even close, in 2015/2016 until February/March

Well that’s because you’re being biased.
- Feds91Stammer

Which line is that much better for the canes over the pens with Zucker, Mccann and Teravainen in?

https://www.dailyfaceoff....icanes/line-combinations/

https://www.dailyfaceoff....nguins/line-combinations/

They weren't considered contenders at all, not even close, in 2015/2016 until February/March
- MattStrat

That’s because a moron of a coach out them in a hole they never should have been in.

Which line is that much better for the canes over the pens with Zucker, Mccann and Teravainen in?

https://www.dailyfaceoff....icanes/line-combinations/

https://www.dailyfaceoff....nguins/line-combinations/
- pens4life-66

Canes is probably a wash for me and same goes for philly.

That’s because a moron of a coach out them in a hole they never should have been in.
- Feds91Stammer

Could be a touch of that going on the past few years too...

Which line is that much better for the canes over the pens with Zucker, Mccann and Teravainen in?

https://www.dailyfaceoff....icanes/line-combinations/

https://www.dailyfaceoff....nguins/line-combinations/
- pens4life-66

The Pens 4th line is made up of below replacement level players. I think the Canes forward lineup is deeper than the Pens.

Could be a touch of that going on the past few years too...
- MattStrat

Nah. It’s mostly GMJR handcuffing Sully with bums.

Could be a touch of that going on the past few years too...
- MattStrat

Sully isn’t great but he’s definitely not killing the team either. When did you become such a kool aid drinker?

Sully isn’t great but he’s definitely not killing the team either. When did you become such a kool aid drinker?
- Feds91Stammer

hahah I am not. Ive said to you that I dont think they're world beaters when healthy. I said yesterday I thought the Bruins were definitely a better team. That goes for other teams as well.

Still though, I do see a potential with this squad that wasn't quite there the past few seasons.

Anyone saying they're not winning the cup have an extremely great chance of being right, I would never argue that.

Nah. It’s mostly GMJR handcuffing Sully with bums.
- j.boyd919

Yeah he had more misfires than not in the trades and moves since 2017, no question.

hahah I am not. Ive said to you that I dont think they're world beaters when healthy. I said yesterday I thought the Bruins were definitely a better team. That goes for other teams as well.

Still though, I do see a potential with this squad that wasn't quite there the past few seasons.

Anyone saying they're not winning the cup have an extremely great chance of being right, I would never argue that.
- MattStrat

Well it seemed you were arguing my point that they just aren’t that good anymore lol

Well it seemed you were arguing my point that they just aren’t that good anymore lol
- Feds91Stammer

They're better than you're giving credit for.

I was one of the ones saying they'd prob miss playoffs before season started. I don't feel as strongly that they will now.

Sully isn’t great but he’s definitely not killing the team either. When did you become such a kool aid drinker?
- Feds91Stammer

He’s not a playoff coach. He doesn’t make changes or adjust. He doesn’t take advantage of last change to exploit defensive weaknesses. He plays lines 1-4 and hopes they can outplay the other lines 1-4. If they can’t, he just sends them out there repetitively till they lose 4 games.

If this team was healthy I think they have 3 solid lines that can compete if they feel like putting in the effort and their coach sets them up to succeed.

He’s not a playoff coach. He doesn’t make changes or adjust. He doesn’t take advantage of last change to exploit defensive weaknesses. He plays lines 1-4 and hopes they can outplay the other lines 1-4. If they can’t, he just sends them out there repetitively till they lose 4 games.

If this team was healthy I think they have 3 solid lines that can compete if they feel like putting in the effort and their coach sets them up to succeed.
- 10inchTerror

The weird thing is, Sully used to do all these things and do them well. For sone reason, he just stopped.

The weird thing is, Sully used to do all these things and do them well. For sone reason, he just stopped.
- Tojo.

Well, did he stop or did the player stop buying in?

Forsberg

Forsberg
- 668710

I just don't see the Pens offering enough compared to other teams for him and to be honest, he's missed around 15/20 games per season the last three years. We already have a lot of that lol. That's not TERRIBLE, but for what he'd likely cost the Pens I'd prefer them to grab someone who's been a little more healthy.

Forsberg
- 668710

This is a pipe dream. There are numerous teams that would put packages together for him that the Pens would not be able to match

This is a pipe dream. There are numerous teams that would put packages together for him that the Pens would not be able to match
- PittsPens

Yea you're right, Forsberg.

I just don't see the Pens offering enough compared to other teams for him and to be honest, he's missed around 15/20 games per season the last three years. We already have a lot of that lol. That's not TERRIBLE, but for what he'd likely cost the Pens I'd prefer them to grab someone who's been a little more healthy.
- Rinosaur

But will they? Toronto pulled their deal out apparently. Idk I'd go for him.

But will they? Toronto pulled their deal out apparently. Idk I'd go for him.
- 668710

Never hurts to try. Eve et one said that about hall going to Arizona and I feel Pitt could of matched Arizona’s offer.

Well, did he stop or did the player stop buying in?
- Rinosaur

The players don’t choose who goes over the boards.