We can barely afford the players we have without having to put some through waivers who then threatened retirement if taking.
How the hell do we afford forsberg without depleting our "depth"?

Trade willie?

The willie wet pants mafia would not be happy.
- Fakepartofme

There is this crazy thing called salary retention.

Andersen at 5M > Holtby at 4.3M
- Cush29

even I have to agree with that and I have disliked Andersen from day 1.

There is this crazy thing called salary retention.
- Santo_44

Because Forsberg is going to so hard to unload. Sure, we’ll retain and just give us Kerfoot and some pieces that no one else will offer. Leaf won’t have lottery picks to offer

even I have to agree with that and I have disliked Andersen from day 1.
- Aetherial

Wow, i couldnt imagine disliking such a key part of the team.

Hate our #1 goalie on a good contract = good

Question poor play of a winger on a bad contract = bad

got it.

well its not like its out of think air

https://theathletic.com/2...ip-forsberg-trade-rumors/
- senstroll

Wonder what the Preds would want in return?

There is this crazy thing called salary retention.
- Santo_44

I think when you balance it out, the only things we have to offer that would entice salary retention are Robertson and Sandin and to a much lesser extent, Liljegren. This would coincide with Nashville concluding that they are blowing it up and rebuilding - in which case I wish them luck finding takers for Duchene and Johansen.

From our end, I think we need Sandin, Robertson and Liljegren on their ELCs performing in the NHL to make our cap work for us, so trading them seems unwise. They might also be necessary next year after the expansion draft takes Holl from us.

Bernier
- Garnie

AND Reimer


Freddie
Reimer
Campbell
Hutch
Bernier

Because Forsberg is going to so hard to unload. Sure, we’ll retain and just give us Kerfoot and some pieces that no one else will offer. Leaf won’t have lottery picks to offer
- Canada Cup

I think Mark Stone is a reasonable comparison.
Stone didnt have1 extra year like Forsberg does.

Stone cost Oscar Lindberg, Brannstrom, 2nd Rd Draft Pick

something Similar from the Leafs Say

Robertson or Sandin = Branstrom
Lindberg = Abramov (complete guess) insert other meh prospect
1st instead of a 2nd if they keep Salary

They would have to give to get, nobody would expect bit parts to get Forsberg

I think when you balance it out, the only things we have to offer that would entice salary retention are Robertson and Sandin and to a much lesser extent, Liljegren. This would coincide with Nashville concluding that they are blowing it up and rebuilding - in which case I wish them luck finding takers for Duchene and Johansen.

From our end, I think we need Sandin, Robertson and Liljegren on their ELCs performing in the NHL to make our cap work for us, so trading them seems unwise. They might also be necessary next year after the expansion draft takes Holl from us.
- Monkeypunk

expansion draft is another wrinkle they have to think about. very much complicates things

I think when you balance it out, the only things we have to offer that would entice salary retention are Robertson and Sandin and to a much lesser extent, Liljegren. This would coincide with Nashville concluding that they are blowing it up and rebuilding - in which case I wish them luck finding takers for Duchene and Johansen.

From our end, I think we need Sandin, Robertson and Liljegren on their ELCs performing in the NHL to make our cap work for us, so trading them seems unwise. They might also be necessary next year after the expansion draft takes Holl from us.
- Monkeypunk

Yep.

Cant make Forsberg work unless another big contract goes the other way.

I think Mark Stone is a reasonable comparison.
Stone didnt have1 extra year like Forsberg does.

Stone cost Oscar Lindberg, Brannstrom, 2nd Rd Draft Pick

something Similar from the Leafs Say

Robertson or Sandin = Branstrom
Lindberg = Abramov (complete guess) insert other meh prospect
1st instead of a 2nd if they keep Salary

They would have to give to get, nobody would expect bit parts to get Forsberg
- senstroll

Nobody should expect bit parts is what I think you meant to say

Leafs centre Auston Matthews (hand) will not practice today and is listed as day-to-day.

cool beans

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Jake Muzzin is practicing as well, in a full cage to protect that broken facial bone

Nobody should expect bit parts is what I think you meant to say
- Canada Cup

no, I meant Leaf fans would not expect to get forsberg for bit parts

Hutch with the Potvin mask 👀

Yep.

Cant make Forsberg work unless another big contract goes the other way.
- Tanooki

I concur unless the Preds retain $$
depending on how much they retain, well good question.

Good write up on Willie in the Athletic today, would recommend.

To summarize, the people who endlessly hate on Nylander just don't get it. He has downsides like most players in the league. He's one of the most dedicated players on the entire team, his coach (who an idiot who will remain nameless decided was admitting to the media he hated him) thinks he is both misunderstood and has room to grow. He's loved and appreciated in the room.

And mostly... That it's time to get over it. 👍

Good write up on Willie in the Athletic today, would recommend.

To summarize, the people who endlessly hate on Nylander just don't get it. He has downsides like most players in the league. He's one of the most dedicated players on the entire team, his coach (who an idiot who will remain nameless decided was admitting to the media he hated him) thinks he is both misunderstood and has room to grow. He's loved and appreciated in the room.

And mostly... That it's time to get over it. 👍
- joel878

That's the thing, everyone wants every player to be rated 99 on all stats like in a video game and that just isn't the case.

Players can grow but eventually they are what they are.

Same people think Mickey has some scoring touch to make him a top power forward and I think it's absurd to expect such guys to become those.

Hyman is great at what he does but he also has hands of stone and has a difficult time finishing.

Good write up on Willie in the Athletic today, would recommend.

To summarize, the people who endlessly hate on Nylander just don't get it. He has downsides like most players in the league. He's one of the most dedicated players on the entire team, his coach (who an idiot who will remain nameless decided was admitting to the media he hated him) thinks he is both misunderstood and has room to grow. He's loved and appreciated in the room.

And mostly... That it's time to get over it. 👍
- joel878

thanks you for summarizing the article that most people do not have access to.

does that person work for the Toronto Sun?

Because Forsberg is going to so hard to unload. Sure, we’ll retain and just give us Kerfoot and some pieces that no one else will offer. Leaf won’t have lottery picks to offer
- Canada Cup

Muzzin trade a few years ago is very similar.

Leafs have the pieces.

I'm interested in Blake Coleman for next year if he comes cheap enough

I think when you balance it out, the only things we have to offer that would entice salary retention are Robertson and Sandin and to a much lesser extent, Liljegren. This would coincide with Nashville concluding that they are blowing it up and rebuilding - in which case I wish them luck finding takers for Duchene and Johansen.

From our end, I think we need Sandin, Robertson and Liljegren on their ELCs performing in the NHL to make our cap work for us, so trading them seems unwise. They might also be necessary next year after the expansion draft takes Holl from us.
- Monkeypunk

Jake Muzzin got a 1st and two B prospects. Muzzin and Forsberg are on the same level...so you pay a little more for salary retention which is basically a necessity for any good team looking to add him given the flat cap.

Leafs have a middle of the pack prospect pool and their 1st round pick this year and the next.

I think Mark Stone is a reasonable comparison.
Stone didnt have1 extra year like Forsberg does.

Stone cost Oscar Lindberg, Brannstrom, 2nd Rd Draft Pick

something Similar from the Leafs Say

Robertson or Sandin = Branstrom
Lindberg = Abramov (complete guess) insert other meh prospect
1st instead of a 2nd if they keep Salary

They would have to give to get, nobody would expect bit parts to get Forsberg
- senstroll

Yeesh Stone was a over a PPG player for 120 games before he was traded.

Muzzin is a good comparison...Forsberg is not a star player. In reality Forsberg will cost what Muzzin should have costed. Which was a 1st, A prospect and a B prospect instead of two B prospects.

That's the thing, everyone wants every player to be rated 99 on all stats like in a video game and that just isn't the case.

Players can grow but eventually they are what they are.

Same people think Mickey has some scoring touch to make him a top power forward and I think it's absurd to expect such guys to become those.

Hyman is great at what he does but he also has hands of stone and has a difficult time finishing.
- Aaron_85

Im sure I inserted my own bias, I feel like the article lends credence to the idea that both sides of the debate have their merits.

Ultimately I feel it presented a 'we know who he is, deal with it' tone. Which is really what it boils down to, just as you said... Every player in the league has something you can chirp about and they are what the are. I've watched Mcdavid turn the puck over worse than willie at times. But no one endlessly demands Mcdavid be traded for it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

From the article:

The list of Leafs over the past 40 years with more points to start their career (first 328 games) than Nylander (237) includes Marner, Matthews, Rick Vaive and Vincent Damphousse. That’s it.

He’s a good player. He’s not perfect. That’s OK.

“I’ve known him for a long time,” Hyman concluded, “and can’t speak higher of him.”

I'm interested in Blake Coleman for next year if he comes cheap enough
- Aaron_85

only if he can keepp up the one-handed shenanigans