My point is really about sample size and how the poster I quoted doesn't see enough in Farabee but after 16 NHL games, he thinks that Kaprizov is elite. Not that Farabee is as talented as Kaprizov. Kaprizov is also significantly older.
- MJL

I don’t think I’d throw a first in to get him.

But significantly older????? He’s 23.

And I keep farabee unless something blows me away. His d game will get better as well. I will say though we do not have an elite offensive talent. Maybe one or two elite players but not that offensive guy.

I have to disagree with you again, nothing new. As a former player and knowledge of the game when a player has drive and is motivated they do not play on the perimeter. Having drive and determination allows you to chase down the puck, go to the dirty areas, crash and bang, be a hound dog Bob Kelly and get it done. Working your ass off on the perimeter is not possible.
- joegreif17

You show a lack of knowledge of the game here. Players often go into slumps offensively. It's not always about a lack of determination or drive. A perfect example recently is with Travis Konecny. He's developed bad habits on the ice. Forcing plays, not getting to the scoring areas. Often frustration sets in and trying harder or being more determined without actually correcting the issues, won't change much and often just makes it worse. Leads to a confidence issue. Very similar to Patrick.

In my opinion the issue with Patrick is not about drive, determination or work ethic. He has those attributes. He just doesn't channel it correctly on the ice. He spends too much time on the perimeter and not enough time in the tough scoring areas of the ice and around the net. You can have all the drive you want on the perimeter and you won't be very effective.
- MJL

I think we’re sort of saying the same thing here. I’m sure he’s a hard worker, but there’s a difference between trying to score a goal and being determined to score a goal.

Agree. Perseverance is also different. Determination to get the puck and keep the puck.

Patty had head issues. Patty still has head issues. His confidence seems like it sits at 50 percent. Doesn’t do enough to win but is doing the right things to not hurt the team. Needs to take that chance.
- Peter Richards

I agree Peter and to be honest I am a little worried about him because he has been rocked pretty good the past few games. Just the fact that he is on the receiving end of a few thunderous body checks is not good. My point is a player like Giroux rarely gets hit because of his awareness. I also have this same feeling about Konecny who is heart and soul but man he takes a beating some games, some of which could be avoided by being a little more aware of the situation. Hoping TK11 can find his game next week.

You show a lack of knowledge of the game here. Players often go into slumps offensively. It's not always about a lack of determination or drive. A perfect example recently is with Travis Konecny. He's developed bad habits on the ice. Forcing plays, not getting to the scoring areas. Often frustration sets in and trying harder or being more determined without actually correcting the issues, won't change much and often just makes it worse. Leads to a confidence issue. Very similar to Patrick.
- MJL

As usual you are changing the subject. Of course all players go through slumps and have confidence issues when its not going in. JVR is a good example, you wanted him sent packing last year. What a difference a year makes as he is on top of the world this year and will stay there as long as he does not get injured. Being injured has always been the big issue with JVR. I showed no lack of knowledge in my previous post, you just twisted my comment to support your lack of intelligence.

I agree Peter and to be honest I am a little worried about him because he has been rocked pretty good the past few games. Just the fact that he is on the receiving end of a few thunderous body checks is not good. My point is a player like Giroux rarely gets hit because of his awareness. I also have this same feeling about Konecny who is heart and soul but man he takes a beating some games, some of which could be avoided by being a little more aware of the situation. Hoping TK11 can find his game next week.
- joegreif17

Yeah. And look at the hits. Most on are the half boards or behind the net as he slows down and or stops. Don’t remember him hitting the ice as easy his first two years. Not driving to the dirty areas with the same aggression

Ah well, good day fellow flyerbuzzards! Looking for G’s crew to come out flying, need progress on the team defense and PK, and welcome back Protocol Returns! Get the W.

Let’s go Flyers!

Yeah. And look at the hits. Most on are the half boards or behind the net as he slows down and or stops. Don’t remember him hitting the ice as easy his first two years. Not driving to the dirty areas with the same aggression
- Peter Richards

I think he could be a great player down the road but you and I are seeing the same issues with him. He is one player that could have used some AHL time to come into the nhl with more confidence. Pretty tough missing a whole year and being tossed in when your basically still a rookie. Hoping he stays healthy and grows his game.

Ah well, good day fellow flyerbuzzards! Looking for G’s crew to come out flying, need progress on the team defense and PK, and welcome back Protocol Returns! Get the W.

Let’s go Flyers!
- NC Flyers Fan

Thanks mate, enjoy the game. Let's go Flyers!

I think he could be a great player down the road but you and I are seeing the same issues with him. He is one player that could have used some AHL time to come into the nhl with more confidence. Pretty tough missing a whole year and being tossed in when your basically still a rookie. Hoping he stays healthy and grows his game.
- joegreif17

Not so sure about great player. Good? Sure hope so.

As usual you are changing the subject. Of course all players go through slumps and have confidence issues when its not going in. JVR is a good example, you wanted him sent packing last year. What a difference a year makes as he is on top of the world this year and will stay there as long as he does not get injured. Being injured has always been the big issue with JVR. I showed no lack of knowledge in my previous post, you just twisted my comment to support your lack of intelligence.
- joegreif17

Nothing was twisted. I understand that it made too much sense for you so you try this strawman. You can attribute all the statements you want to me that are irrelevant to the current conversations. This is not going to work out well for you. I give you credit for perseverance though.

Not so sure about great player. Good? Sure hope so.
- login

We can alway hope for greatness but good would have been a better wording, thanks.

I think he could be a great player down the road but you and I are seeing the same issues with him. He is one player that could have used some AHL time to come into the nhl with more confidence. Pretty tough missing a whole year and being tossed in when your basically still a rookie. Hoping he stays healthy and grows his game.
- joegreif17

Agree. The good news is we have time with who is in front of him. He doesn’t have to be in the top six yet. Just with what’s going on this year he was/is. I thought a few games ago he started to turn a corner but then regressed. Last game he had two or three nice plays in the first with nice passes. Then took a hit. Just look at his face when ghost scored that one goal when they both reached for the puck. Still just off.

One game but didn’t play bad at r w. Hope it works out for him. Get the puck in and hit some bodies instead of being hit. Get a couple goals crashing the net (an area he was more known for) and I think he will be good.

Nothing was twisted. I understand that it made too much sense for you so you try this strawman. You can attribute all the statements you want to me that are irrelevant to the current conversations. This is not going to work out well for you. I give you credit for perseverance though.
- MJL

The only thing that is irrelevant to me is you. I will leave it at that because in my opinion you can not fix stupid. Not saying your stupid but your not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Okay I will stop with the compliments, I got a Flyers game coming up in 30 minutes so enjoy the game and try and make some key observations based on what you see and not what you read. Cheers, go Flyers.

Anyone else think this. Watching other games ( but not all) seems like others have a better percentage scoring on their 2 on 1 s.

Agree. The good news is we have time with who is in front of him. He doesn’t have to be in the top six yet. Just with what’s going on this year he was/is. I thought a few games ago he started to turn a corner but then regressed. Last game he had two or three nice plays in the first with nice passes. Then took a hit. Just look at his face when ghost scored that one goal when they both reached for the puck. Still just off.

One game but didn’t play bad at r w. Hope it works out for him. Get the puck in and hit some bodies instead of being hit. Get a couple goals crashing the net (an area he was more known for) and I think he will be good.
- Peter Richards

Anything can still happen at this point but in my view, the expectations have changed for Patrick. At this point, I'm hoping he can improve and solidify that 3rd line center spot. Score 15 goals and 30 points or so and solid two way play. That would go a long way with this team with having Couturier and Hayes. I look to Frost more to fill that scoring line center spot in the future.

So Myers is forsure out?

Anything can still happen at this point but in my view, the expectations have changed for Patrick. At this point, I'm hoping he can improve and solidify that 3rd line center spot. Score 15 goals and 30 points or so and solid two way play. That would go a long way with this team with having Couturier and Hayes. I look to Frost more to fill that scoring line center spot in the future.
- MJL

I don’t think the expectations have or should change. Patrick is very young. Hayes and Couturier are knocking on 30 years of age and it’s how those two respond, depends on what happens with Patrick’s future. I mean it took along time for Coots’ offense to get going.

The only thing that is irrelevant to me is you. I will leave it at that because in my opinion you can not fix stupid. Not saying your stupid but your not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Okay I will stop with the compliments, I got a Flyers game coming up in 30 minutes so enjoy the game and try and make some key observations based on what you see and not what you read. Cheers, go Flyers.
- joegreif17

You've now made at least a half a dozen posts in reply to me. That's how irrelevant I am to you. You're embarrassing yourself. You're not a threat.

Anything can still happen at this point but in my view, the expectations have changed for Patrick. At this point, I'm hoping he can improve and solidify that 3rd line center spot. Score 15 goals and 30 points or so and solid two way play. That would go a long way with this team with having Couturier and Hayes. I look to Frost more to fill that scoring line center spot in the future.
- MJL

Couturier is a free agent after the 2022. No guarantee he resigns.

Would be a huge disappointment if all Patrick turs into is a 30 point or so 3rd line center. Frost is another huge question mark at this point. IMO he will be dealt this summer.

A couple things to keep in mind with Nolan Patrick

He comes out of the same draft as Morgan Frost and Patrick was instantly tossed into the NHL at 18. I don’t think anyone should have a higher expectation of Frost over Patrick, as both work through their growing pains.

Also, I think what hurts Patrick is what he’s playing with. Unpopular opinion. We don’t have top ten players to push Patrick at the moment. Travis Konency is a nice young winger but he’s not Mitch Marner, who might help elevate Patrick’s game. G and Jake are far from what they were five years ago.

Anything can still happen at this point but in my view, the expectations have changed for Patrick. At this point, I'm hoping he can improve and solidify that 3rd line center spot. Score 15 goals and 30 points or so and solid two way play. That would go a long way with this team with having Couturier and Hayes. I look to Frost more to fill that scoring line center spot in the future.
- MJL

Here we go again. Frost may never meet anyone's lofty expectations. Brayden Schenn was the price for Frost and personally trading Schenn was a big loss for the Flyers because I always admired his grit and his pp goals have never been replaced since he left, 17 pp goals his last year here i believe. Anyway, Laughton has the number 3 center job I guess till Patrick takes it away, haha

Where are all the "Let's go Flyers' gifs from last year??? Maybe that's why we haven't hit our stride yet.

Couturier is a free agent after the 2022. No guarantee he resigns.

Would be a huge disappointment if all Patrick turs into is a 30 point or so 3rd line center. Frost is another huge question mark at this point. IMO he will be dealt this summer.
- login

Exactly, putting your hopes on Frost and Patrick is not likely to turn out well. Schenn has provided the Blues with a stanley cup, a team mvp, a solid effort game in and game out, he is physical, what not to like. I do not have any hope that Frost will evolve into anything substantial.

Here we go again. Frost may never meet anyone's lofty expectations. Brayden Schenn was the price for Frost and personally trading Schenn was a big loss for the Flyers because I always admired his grit and his pp goals have never been replaced since he left, 17 pp goals his last year here i believe. Anyway, Laughton has the number 3 center job I guess till Patrick takes it away, haha
- joegreif17

LOL, yes here we go again with your comedy. As with any young player, there is the possibility that they don't develop. However Frost is a very skilled player. Schenn wasn't traded because he wasn't a good player but because the deal was too good to pass up. The Flyers also got Farabee with the pick from the Schenn deal and if Frost develops, it was a really good trade. I was a Schenn fan but the deal was too good to pass up. I like Laughton better on the wing. By the way, you've now made two comments which point to part of what makes Laughton valuable as a player. You don't even realize it.