Wow, you see him as better than Varly after 5 games in the NHL, impressive. Hope you are right.
- nyisles7

I think it's reasonable to think, given his skill level and the coaches around him, he could be the better goaltender eventually. Of course your response frames it as though I'm saying he's better now, which I did not. The potential is certainly there.

I think it's reasonable to think, given his skill level and the coaches around him, he could be the better goaltender eventually. Of course your response frames it as though I'm saying he's better now, which I did not. The potential is certainly there.
- keaner17

Varlamov has been a rock for us and that’s coming from someone who was not a fan and was pretty vocal about not resigning Lehner. With that said I agree with you. Sorokin certainly has the potential of being an even better goaltender then varlamov. If he reaches that potential remains to be seen. I also agree with 7 he needs to button up some aspects of his game like his rebound control but to me that’s to be expected.

I think with our goaltender coaches, which are widely considered the best in the league, there’s a better chance then not he will be our number 1 within the next year. I don’t think that’s an unrealistic expectation.

Varlamov has been a rock for us and that’s coming from someone who was not a fan and was pretty vocal about not resigning Lehner. With that said I agree with you. Sorokin certainly has the potential of being an even better goaltender then varlamov. If he reaches that potential remains to be seen. I also agree with 7 he needs to button up some aspects of his game like his rebound control but to me that’s to be expected.

I think with our goaltender coaches, which are widely considered the best in the league, there’s a better chance then not he will be our number 1 within the next year. I don’t think that’s an unrealistic expectation.
- Cptmjl

Agreed. I thought he fought a couple of shots last night with odd rebounds but really only one of them resulted in a goal
Had that puck deflected just a few more degrees towards the half boards, it actually would have been a good save that looked routine.
Getting used to angles is one of the places I expect Europeon goaltenders to fight in adjustments, so I'm not concerned. I think his rebound control in the two games prior was exceptional.
Certainly the combo of our coaching, his natural ability and commitment make me confident that his ceiling his a good bit higher than Varlamov. Regardless, I'm happy to have them both

Barry was quoted as saying they are purposely not playing Sorokin in back to back games. They take it one game, review, work on things, return. I get the idea. They're taking it slow as he learns to adjust to the NHL and I certainly have all the trust in Korn. Varly has been really good this season, so they've had that luxury. I do believe that Sorokin will eventually be the better goaltender and assume bulk duties, but that likely won't be until next season. Whether he begins to get more of a 40-60 share or even assumes the majority will depend on the both of them
- keaner17

If they stick to that plan then Sorokin gets the go on NBC on Sunday afternoon

Varlamov has been a rock for us and that’s coming from someone who was not a fan and was pretty vocal about not resigning Lehner. With that said I agree with you. Sorokin certainly has the potential of being an even better goaltender then varlamov. If he reaches that potential remains to be seen. I also agree with 7 he needs to button up some aspects of his game like his rebound control but to me that’s to be expected.

I think with our goaltender coaches, which are widely considered the best in the league, there’s a better chance then not he will be our number 1 within the next year. I don’t think that’s an unrealistic expectation.
- Cptmjl

Maybe you should just sit out all the goaltender conversations from now on

Agreed. I thought he fought a couple of shots last night with odd rebounds but really only one of them resulted in a goal
Had that puck deflected just a few more degrees towards the half boards, it actually would have been a good save that looked routine.
Getting used to angles is one of the places I expect Europeon goaltenders to fight in adjustments, so I'm not concerned. I think his rebound control in the two games prior was exceptional.
Certainly the combo of our coaching, his natural ability and commitment make me confident that his ceiling his a good bit higher than Varlamov. Regardless, I'm happy to have them both
- keaner17

That goal started with a bad clear by Pulock that resulted in a turnover at the blue line. Also Pelech wasn’t paying attention to Hall coming down the slot and broke his stick on the last second check. I guess I don’t think that was all on Sorokin.

Buffalo defense is terrible. It's the worst I have seen this season. I thought their goalie was there best player dispite giving up 5 goals. 40 saves is excellent. I wasn't thrilled with sorokin yesterday. 2 goals on 18 shots and several goal posts. I thought the defense given the opposition let up a little. We have to win the next two games. Buffalo has mailed it in

That goal started with a bad clear by Pulock that resulted in a turnover at the blue line. Also Pelech wasn’t paying attention to Hall coming down the slot and broke his stick on the last second check. I guess I don’t think that was all on Sorokin.
- TogaIsles

It wasn't a terrible goal. It was actually a tough quick low shot that he got the pad in and unfortunstely kicked it out a bit high. I agree with your take on Pelech getting caught there.
For all of us who played defenes, the old addage is always 'first shot belongs to the goalie, the rebound belongs to the defense.'
Goalies kick rebounds like that all the time but defenses normally will tie the forward up. Both goals were largely the result of the forwards not being tied up.
I'm not so black and white when it comes to good goals v. Bad goals. I think he was fine last night

I think it's reasonable to think, given his skill level and the coaches around him, he could be the better goaltender eventually. Of course your response frames it as though I'm saying he's better now, which I did not. The potential is certainly there.
- keaner17

No I was saying it’s hard to know if sOrOk3n is going to be better than Varly after 5 NHL games that’s all.
As you just said he could be, is accurate.

Varlamov has been a rock for us and that’s coming from someone who was not a fan and was pretty vocal about not resigning Lehner. With that said I agree with you. Sorokin certainly has the potential of being an even better goaltender then varlamov. If he reaches that potential remains to be seen. I also agree with 7 he needs to button up some aspects of his game like his rebound control but to me that’s to be expected.

I think with our goaltender coaches, which are widely considered the best in the league, there’s a better chance then not he will be our number 1 within the next year. I don’t think that’s an unrealistic expectation.
- Cptmjl

Well said, now stfu.

Buffalo defense is terrible. It's the worst I have seen this season. I thought their goalie was there best player dispite giving up 5 goals. 40 saves is excellent. I wasn't thrilled with sorokin yesterday. 2 goals on 18 shots and several goal posts. I thought the defense given the opposition let up a little. We have to win the next two games. Buffalo has mailed it in
- Hockeyislife

Both goalies wound up with a .889 save % which is sub par as far as NHL goalies are concerned.

Both goalies wound up with a .889 save % which is sub par as far as NHL goalies are concerned.
- nyisles7

People microfocus on save percentages way too much. Johansson's performance is the perfect example. He was by no means sub par last night , yet a cookie cutter eval of his save pctg may suggest otherwise. While I'm not a huge advocate for analytics, it does go a bit further to explain things.
In theory, you could have a goalie who only faces 15 shots but if there are multiple high damger chances he could end up with a .800 sv pctg.
Both goals weren't that bad. I think his perfomance was fine and will take 2 goals against any night.

When Wally isn't scoring goals he shooting Taco Bell commercials. Love this kids versatility.

When Wally isn't scoring goals he shooting Taco Bell commercials. Love this kids versatility.


- Vukota

Defenses don't consume Wally, he consumes Them!

Defenses don't consume Wally, he consumes Them!
- keaner17

People microfocus on save percentages way too much. Johansson's performance is the perfect example. He was by no means sub par last night , yet a cookie cutter eval of his save pctg may suggest otherwise. While I'm not a huge advocate for analytics, it does go a bit further to explain things.
In theory, you could have a goalie who only faces 15 shots but if there are multiple high damger chances he could end up with a .800 sv pctg.
Both goals weren't that bad. I think his perfomance was fine and will take 2 goals against any night.
- keaner17

True but typically save % is a good indication of how a goalie plays/played. Can it be skewed as +/- of course but over time it tells the truth. I didn’t think Johansson played well so we can agree to disagree on that.

True but typically save % is a good indication of how a goalie plays/played. Can it be skewed as +/- of course but over time it tells the truth. I didn’t think Johansson played well so we can agree to disagree on that.
- nyisles7

It is more of an indicator over time as compared to an individual performance. Certainly if a goalie stinks it up, it will show in the save percentage, however, you can find plenty of examples where goalies were very good or at least average while the save pctg might indicate otherwise

It is more of an indicator over time as compared to an individual performance. Certainly if a goalie stinks it up, it will show in the save percentage, however, you can find plenty of examples where goalies were very good or at least average while the save pctg might indicate otherwise
- keaner17

You can find anything on the internet if you look hard enough

You can find anything on the internet if you look hard enough
- nyisles7

Fact...it's why political arguments go nowhere these days. Not only can you find everything, you find alternate data to nearly everything!
I would use Osgood as an example. During his final year with us in 2002-03, he had a .894 sv pctg. I would say his performance that year was admirable, but that pctg suggests he was sub par. The fact was though that the team was terrible. They gave up cross slot tap-in's and sieges in the crease all the time. So that sv pctg was rather unfair to eval him....

Fact...it's why political arguments go nowhere these days. Not only can you find everything, you find alternate data to nearly everything!
I would use Osgood as an example. During his final year with us in 2002-03, he had a .894 sv pctg. I would say his performance that year was admirable, but that pctg suggests he was sub par. The fact was though that the team was terrible. They gave up cross slot tap-in's and sieges in the crease all the time. So that sv pctg was rather unfair to eval him....
- keaner17

Well you won’t find Dr Seuss books on eBay but Mein Kampf is.

If you look at the save % of goalies in the past and or present. The save % typically reflects how good or shatty they were.
I think we beat this horse to death this morning

We need to keep this run going and win the next two against the Sabres.

Freakin' Avery.

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No I was saying it’s hard to know if sOrOk3n is going to be better than Varly after 5 NHL games that’s all.
As you just said he could be, is accurate.
- nyisles7

Stfu

People microfocus on save percentages way too much. Johansson's performance is the perfect example. He was by no means sub par last night , yet a cookie cutter eval of his save pctg may suggest otherwise. While I'm not a huge advocate for analytics, it does go a bit further to explain things.
In theory, you could have a goalie who only faces 15 shots but if there are multiple high damger chances he could end up with a .800 sv pctg.
Both goals weren't that bad. I think his perfomance was fine and will take 2 goals against any night.
- keaner17

This makes way too much sense

True but typically save % is a good indication of how a goalie plays/played. Can it be skewed as +/- of course but over time it tells the truth. I didn’t think Johansson played well so we can agree to disagree on that.
- nyisles7

It's like batting average which can swing in the first 300 at bays and then after that is a better indicator of the hitter. Same thing here, 889 sucks as a whole but for one game it is what it is and he's still only played 6 games and the staff is working with him after each game

It's like batting average which can swing in the first 300 at bays and then after that is a better indicator of the hitter. Same thing here, 889 sucks as a whole but for one game it is what it is and he's still only played 6 games and the staff is working with him after each game
- Upstate_isles

100% agree. That said I don’t think either goalie played great and the S% showed that fairly. Neither made a game saving or changing save imho. Thought he played much better the 2 games prior.