Agree. Even if he does become an NHL regular (not a guarantee by any means) he's at least a couple of years out.

Speaking of U20 Swedish players in our system, I'm actually more optimistic about Niederbach than I am about Soderblom.
- Sven22

Agreed on Niederbach.

Soderblom strikes me as a guy that dominates his peer group because he’s physically superior and that advantage disappears against men.

Agree. Even if he does become an NHL regular (not a guarantee by any means) he's at least a couple of years out.

Speaking of U20 Swedish players in our system, I'm actually more optimistic about Niederbach than I am about Soderblom.
- Sven22

Not saying right now, guys. Am looking a few years down the road. Sods has some VERY impressive tools as shown at WJC. Am also VERY impressed w/Niederbach as well. Our system/assets are vast and there is MUCH promise in our young guys....that was my point.

Agreed on Niederbach.

Soderblom strikes me as a guy that dominates his peer group because he’s physically superior and that advantage disappears against men.
- Feds91Stammer

Even directly comparing their draft year plus one, draft year, draft year minus one, draft year minus two, etc. seasons, Niederbach has been the better scorer pretty much the whole way through.

Even directly comparing their draft year plus one, draft year, draft year minus one, draft year minus two, etc. seasons, Niederbach has been the better scorer pretty much the whole way through.
- Sven22

He could very well be that late round gem!

Would Stevie consider Mantha for DeBrusk and a 1st???? The rumor is that Boston is looking at Forsberg, but he would cost more.
I can't say DeBrusk has been very good this year, but neither has Mantha.

Not saying right now, guys. Am looking a few years down the road. Sods has some VERY impressive tools as shown at WJC. Am also VERY impressed w/Niederbach as well. Our system/assets are vast and there is MUCH promise in our young guys....that was my point.
- mcmastermike1968

That's fair.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see Soderblom in nearly the same category with Seider and Raymond.

Seider I think has legit No. 1 NHL defender potential, maybe even Norris caliber if we're lucky. Raymond I could see becoming a very good first-line winger, if not quite "elite." And I think both (Seider especially) are pretty close to locks in terms of becoming, at the very least, competent NHL "supporting cast" players even if they don't quite reach their full potential.

As for Soderblom, I'd be very happy if he turned out to be a decent third-line winger / PP specialist. I think that would be a very good result considering his track record and where he was drafted.

But of course, who really knows. I would certainly agree that the cupboard looks much fuller than it has in years, with a lot of guys with realistic NHL potential in the pipeline.

That's fair.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see Soderblom in nearly the same category with Seider and Raymond.

Seider I think has legit No. 1 NHL defender potential, maybe even Norris caliber if we're lucky. Raymond I could see becoming a very good first-line winger, if not quite "elite." And I think both (Seider especially) are pretty close to locks in terms of becoming, at the very least, competent NHL "supporting cast" players even if they don't quite reach their full potential.

As for Soderblom, I'd be very happy if he turned out to be a decent third-line winger / PP specialist. I think that would be a very good result considering his track record and where he was drafted.

But of course, who really knows. I would certainly agree that the cupboard looks much fuller than it has in years, with a lot of guys with realistic NHL potential in the pipeline.
- Sven22

COMPLETELY agree that he's not Raymond, et. al. When I watched the WJC, he was a stud and played well above his age. Thus, I think he's "...that late round gem."

Seider is going to be a beast. It's going to take time and a GOOD coach to bring him along in the NHL. But he's going to be amazing. Raymond, I think is going to take some time. His development has been remarkable, but he's going to need some more time in the oven.

Berrgren is another one, Veleno as well. Like I said previously, give it 3yrs and we'll be better able to look at UFA/TDL moves to further stock the cupboard for a bull-rush in 4-5yrs....just about the time I'll need Depends

What I REALLY want to see is who is going to be behind the bench...….

Would Stevie consider Mantha for DeBrusk and a 1st???? The rumor is that Boston is looking at Forsberg, but he would cost more.
I can't say DeBrusk has been very good this year, but neither has Mantha.
- HenryHockey

Debrusk doesn’t really move the needle for me and a late 1st really isn’t any different than a 2nd imo.

I think dealing Mantha I would like to see a young LD come back even if they’re still in the prospect phase and maybe add a 2nd to that.

Something along the lines of Bean and a 2nd.

Would Stevie consider Mantha for DeBrusk and a 1st???? The rumor is that Boston is looking at Forsberg, but he would cost more.
I can't say DeBrusk has been very good this year, but neither has Mantha.
- HenryHockey

Listen, the only way I'd not go postal because of a Mantha trade is if we'd get a decent 1st rounder and a viable, proven, reliable stud roster player, maybe a high-ranked AHLer….That being said, DeBrusk is a pretty good player, I'd be interested.

Debrusk doesn’t really move the needle for me and a late 1st really isn’t any different than a 2nd imo.

I think dealing Mantha I would like to see you young LD come back even if they’re still in the prospect phase and maybe add a 2nd to that.

Something along the lines of Bean and a 2nd.
- Feds91Stammer

Damn! That's a good option, Feds. That would stir the drink, for me.

Listen, the only way I'd not go postal because of a Mantha trade is if we'd get a decent 1st rounder and a viable, proven, reliable stud roster player, maybe a high-ranked AHLer….That being said, DeBrusk is a pretty good player, I'd be interested.
- mcmastermike1968

You won’t be getting a high 1st or an already stud player for Mantha. His value simply is not to that level imo.

Just for informational purposes, a comparison of four Swedish prospects -- PPG by year (adjusted to draft year) and level of competition. "Pro" means top level of Swedish hockey; "Minor pro" means Allsvenskan (second level of Swedish hockey).

Draft year + 3
Berggren: 0.91 (Pro)

Draft year +2
Berggren: 0.5 (Pro)
Soderblom: 0.21 (Pro)

Draft year + 1
Raymond: 0.53 (Pro)
Berggren: 0.19 (Pro)
Niederbach: 0.2 (Pro), 0.6 (Minor pro), 1.84 (J20)
Soderblom: 0.0 (pro), 0.0 (Minor pro), 1.53 (J20)

Draft year
Raymond: 0.30 (Pro), 1.56 (J20)
Berggren: 0.0 (Pro), 1.5 (J20)
Niederbach: 1.2 (J20)
Soderblom: 0.39 (J20)

Draft year - 1
Raymond: 1.30 (J20)
Berggren: 0.41 (J20)
Niederbach: Missed entire season (injury)
Soderblom: 1.18 (J18)

Draft year - 2
Raymond: 1.91 (J18)
Berggren: 1.09 (J18)
Niederbach: 3.04 (J16)
Soderblom: 1.59 (J16)

Damn! That's a good option, Feds. That would stir the drink, for me.
- mcmastermike1968

Yeah I think the value is to get a younger player at a position if need with untapped potential still to be had. Someone that can be part of the core 2-3 years from now and likely from a team looking for impact results right now that values Manthas production now over waiting for that potential to come to fruition.

Just for informational purposes, a comparison of four Swedish prospects -- PPG by year (adjusted to draft year) and level of competition. "Pro" means top level of Swedish hockey; "Minor" pro means Allsvenskan (second level of Swedish hockey).

Draft year + 3
Berggren: 0.91 (Pro)

Draft year +2
Berggren: 0.5 (Pro)
Soderblom: 0.21 (Pro)

Draft year + 1
Raymond: 0.53 (Pro)
Berggren: 0.19 (Pro)
Niederbach: 0.2 (Pro), 0.6 (Minor pro), 1.84 (J20)
Soderblom: 0.0 (pro), 0.0 (Minor pro), 1.53 (J20)

Draft year
Raymond: 0.30 (Pro), 1.56 (J20)
Berggren: 0.0 (Pro), 1.5 (J20)
Niederbach: 1.2 (J20)
Soderblom: 0.39 (J20)

Draft year - 1
Raymond: 1.30 (J20)
Berggren: 0.41 (J20)
Niederbach: Missed entire season (injury)
Soderblom: 1.18 (J18)

Draft year - 2
Raymond: 1.91 (J18)
Berggren: 1.09 (J18)
Niederbach: 3.04 (J16)
Soderblom: 1.59 (J16)
- Sven22

Pick224 or do you have another source?

Pick224 or do you have another source?
- Feds91Stammer

Nothing special. Just did the math myself. I wasn't aware of Pick224 before just now, but it looks nifty.

Nothing special. Just did the math myself. I wasn't aware of Pick224 before just now, but it looks nifty.
- Sven22

Yeah I’ve been hoping for 2021 stats but I definitely like it as a way to kind of come up with cohorts for guys.

Debrusk doesn’t really move the needle for me and a late 1st really isn’t any different than a 2nd imo.

I think dealing Mantha I would like to see a young LD come back even if they’re still in the prospect phase and maybe add a 2nd to that.

Something along the lines of Bean and a 2nd.
- Feds91Stammer

I do like that thought!

However I believe the Canes would much rather move Fluery over concerns of the Ex-draft, whereas Bean is exempt. I would take Fluery + 1st

I do like that thought!

However I believe the Canes would much rather move Fluery over concerns of the Ex-draft, whereas Bean is exempt. I would take Fluery + 1st
- HenryHockey

Of course this will not work with the cap

I do like that thought!

However I believe the Canes would much rather move Fluery over concerns of the Ex-draft, whereas Bean is exempt. I would take Fluery + 1st
- HenryHockey

Yeah that was more of an example rather than a realistic idea because of cap and expansion.

Yeah that was more of an example rather than a realistic idea because of cap and expansion.
- Feds91Stammer

Mantha for Ty Smith and a 2nd would work!
There was a rumor linking Mantha to NJ

Mantha for Ty Smith and a 2nd would work!
There was a rumor linking Mantha to NJ
- HenryHockey

The 'Canes are shoppers and should have around $11m at the TDL.

Mantha & Merrill for Bean and Nedeljkovic?

We could retain salary on Mantha, gives Carolina a legit Top6 (at least) F and relieves them of working the RFA status on Bean (think he's gonna cost them, even on a bridge deal).

The 'Canes are shoppers and should have around $11m at the TDL.

Mantha & Merrill for Bean and Nedeljkovic?

We could retain salary on Mantha, gives Carolina a legit Top6 (at least) F and relieves them of working the RFA status on Bean (think he's gonna cost them, even on a bridge deal).
- mcmastermike1968

Still think they hold on to Bean, he is exempt from the Ex-draft. Neddy ......is Mrazek back yet?? I don't think they get rid of him either, Their 2 starters are UFA's at seasons end.

A quote on Bert's injury:

he has a lower middle upper body injury. It’s a sprain-like non-sprain with fracture-like non-fractures which indicate a tear-like non-torn part of the body between his toes and the top of his head.

A quote on Bert's injury:
- HenryHockey

very non-specific reports with exact details. very good!

No Svetch tonight, Bernier in goal