The only move I see is Bishop

but I feel as if it is more of an offseason move
- Santo_44

So why do we need to female dog about it every day? Nothing is happening in season.

Agree he has been bad. He makes $2 million, time for JT and Marner to contribute a little more offense. 1 shot on goal for Marner, 2 for Tavares - with Matthews unable to shoot, would expect those two to at list fire 3 or 4 shots on a sh!t goalie.
- winsix

If only Nylander was playing like Marner the last 10 or so games. Mike would triple his posts and Andersen would not be the only one getting ripped on consistently.

So why do we need to female dog about it every day? Nothing is happening in season.
- Aaron_85

Its a wee bit frustrating watching Andersen play.

Of course people will be complaining. He's sucked.

So why do we need to female dog about it every day? Nothing is happening in season.
- Aaron_85

People need to vent

Okay so who is better than Freddy and the cost of him? Like a guarantee better?
- Aaron_85

Fair Question and a good question
Grubauer, Varlamov, Shestyorkin, Demko, Markstrom, Kahkonen, Kuemper, Hart and even Jake Allen - just nine, there are propably others

People need to vent


- jribout

Leafs have played subpar and STILL in first place.

Fair Question and a good question
Grubauer, Varlamov, Shestyorkin, Demko, Markstrom, Kahkonen, Kuemper, Hart and even Jake Allen - just nine, there are propably others
- winsix

You didn't answer the second question. The cost to get them in season.

Allen had many chances to lead a team to a cup and blew it. He is not better.

Leafs have played subpar and STILL in first place.
- Aaron_85

I am not surprised. Tough to maintain that level of play and we were getting some bounces.

Winnipeg is underrated too. The 2 losses to Vancouver hurt. We need Matthews healthy.

If only Nylander was playing like Marner the last 10 or so games. Mike would triple his posts and Andersen would not be the only one getting ripped on consistently.


- jribout

Nylander was possibly the best Leafs in the last two games. Again these are facts, last four games played Andersen has SV% of .844, .889, .826, .871. The offense was only able to bail him out for one of those games. Those numbers are pure sh!t

Cupsie's opinion = facts
- winsix

No, you can argue about whether goals should have been stopped or not. Those are opinions and legitimate arguing points but 65’ dribblers and dropped coin characterizations are just not accurate.

I know I look at things differently but I spent too much time in rinks staring at the goalie. Was the a goal he could have had/should have had? I don’t really care if the team lost 1-0 on a single shot

You didn't answer the second question. The cost to get them in season.

Allen had many chances to lead a team to a cup and blew it. He is not better.
- Aaron_85

Leafs are stuck with Andersen this season. My hope is that Campbell gets back soon and plays often. Hard to blame team defense any more when the goalie gives up 3 or 4 goals on the first 20 shots he faces.

Wonder if the Leafs would try and get both Rakell and Terry.

Terry could be a good bargain and Rakell is a good bargain.

Except for the 4 mph floater wrist shot that got slightly deflected. Oh no ! a deflection those are unstoppable. Tying goal . Lowry's goal was in close, horrible misplay on the puck, then Lowry shoveled a 2 mph dribbler under his pad
. The last goal by Scheifele was right through him from the top of the face off circle, not close in but not 65' out either. He stunk but wasn't the main reason the Leafs lost. .871 SV% is shyte
- winsix

Lowrys is the 1 stinky one IMO, it still doesn’t help us.

Scheifle ripped it from the face off dot on a 5-3 with all day to pick a corner

I wish we could start someone else for 10 straight to see if helps. Just doesn’t seem to be aligning ( not even sure Keefe would anyways, pretty sure they watch some tape etc )

No, you can argue about whether goals should have been stopped or not. Those are opinions and legitimate arguing points but 65’ dribblers and dropped coin characterizations are just not accurate.

I know I look at things differently but I spent too much time in rinks staring at the goalie. Was the a goal he could have had/should have had? I don’t really care if the team lost 1-0 on a single shot
- Canada Cup

Objectively - both are opinions. Stats are facts and the save percentage is a reasonable stat. Statistically, Freddy has had one good game since returning from injury. That is a fact. Whether a shot is stoppable or should be stopped is an opinion. Whether a goalie is good positionally can also be open to some interpretation, however, it seems reasonable to me that if a goalie is flat on his stomach with arms outstretched, he is in a poorer position to stop a shot than if he is standing up square to the puck (I could be wrong about this) Another grey area which might escape the scrutiny of statistics would be the goaltenders ability to handle the puck. If you watch the replay of the third Jet goal from last night (I've watched it about 10 times) Freddy clearly misplays and loses the puck behind the net and Lowry taps a really slow shot (very stoppable in my opinion) right under Freddy's pads.

Leafs should get Hintz and Faksa for Dermott and Willie.
Leafs get better players and 3m+ cap savings.

Missed the game, but the highlight pack looked awful anyway.
Beautiful Wife and I attended our first house party in over a year. It was (frank)ing fantastic and felt like real life again. Highly recommend getting out to see your friends, if possible

You didn't answer the second question. The cost to get them in season.

Allen had many chances to lead a team to a cup and blew it. He is not better.
- Aaron_85

The only two in-season goalies who you could _reasonably_ target, in my opinion, who are presently performing better than Andersen would be Ullmark or Raanta. Ullmark is a UFA after this season and has never played more than 37 games in an NHL season. He makes $2.6m. If he informs Buffalo that he doesn't intend to extend, they could move him. Likewise, Arizona might move Raanta depending on the severity of the injury to Kuemper. Raanta was making $4.2m.

I don't know if Ullmark is better than Andersen. I know that this year Ullmark has significantly better numbers on a much worse team.

I am not surprised. Tough to maintain that level of play and we were getting some bounces.

Winnipeg is underrated too. The 2 losses to Vancouver hurt. We need Matthews healthy.
- jribout

I agree on matthews and the Vancouver losses.

We were never going to lose tough games. We shouldn't have won 3 against Edmonton if we are being honest.

Missed the game, but the highlight pack looked awful anyway.
Beautiful Wife and I attended our first house party in over a year. It was (frank)ing fantastic and felt like real life again. Highly recommend getting out to see your friends, if possible
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Yep people need to start reversing the mental damage this pandemic has caused

The only two in-season goalies who you could _reasonably_ target, in my opinion, who are presently performing better than Andersen would be Ullmark or Raanta. Ullmark is a UFA after this season and has never played more than 37 games in an NHL season. He makes $2.6m. If he informs Buffalo that he doesn't intend to extend, they could move him. Likewise, Arizona might move Raanta depending on the severity of the injury to Kuemper. Raanta was making $4.2m.

I don't know if Ullmark is better than Andersen. I know that this year Ullmark has significantly better numbers on a much worse team.
- Monkeypunk

You would have to be right to make that move because Campbell or andersen would be gone and there's no back up plan after Ulmark really.

The only two in-season goalies who you could _reasonably_ target, in my opinion, who are presently performing better than Andersen would be Ullmark or Raanta. Ullmark is a UFA after this season and has never played more than 37 games in an NHL season. He makes $2.6m. If he informs Buffalo that he doesn't intend to extend, they could move him. Likewise, Arizona might move Raanta depending on the severity of the injury to Kuemper. Raanta was making $4.2m.

I don't know if Ullmark is better than Andersen. I know that this year Ullmark has significantly better numbers on a much worse team.
- Monkeypunk

I believe goalie moves are better in the off-season. Leaf's best hope is to get Campbell back and he plays well, reducing the number of starts for Freddy significantly, even better if he takes away his job. I don't see the Leafs re-signining Freddy.

Yep people need to start reversing the mental damage this pandemic has caused
- Santo_44

Couldn’t agree more.

Objectively - both are opinions. Stats are facts and the save percentage is a reasonable stat. Statistically, Freddy has had one good game since returning from injury. That is a fact. Whether a shot is stoppable or should be stopped is an opinion. Whether a goalie is good positionally can also be open to some interpretation, however, it seems reasonable to me that if a goalie is flat on his stomach with arms outstretched, he is in a poorer position to stop a shot than if he is standing up square to the puck (I could be wrong about this) Another grey area which might escape the scrutiny of statistics would be the goaltenders ability to handle the puck. If you watch the replay of the third Jet goal from last night (I've watched it about 10 times) Freddy clearly misplays and loses the puck behind the net and Lowry taps a really slow shot (very stoppable in my opinion) right under Freddy's pads.
- winsix

So I disagree on the value of stats because I agree about that goal. He and the defenceman both misplayed/miscommunicated on it. Either way that’s on Freddie. There were goals where, sorry I’m not going back and reviewing, he really didn’t mess up. Both have the same statistical value. Both only one gets a CC black mark of shame.

After every game I hear X% or Y high danger area shots that are supposed to make me go ooh, ooh, ooh. But after every game I go back and rewatch the goals. And yes it’s opinion based.

Yep people need to start reversing the mental damage this pandemic has caused
- Santo_44

As long as they do it in ways that don’t extend the pandemic

Wonder if the Leafs would try and get both Rakell and Terry.

Terry could be a good bargain and Rakell is a good bargain.
- Santo_44

Price tag?

🧔