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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Mar 14 @ 1:28 PM ET
So I disagree on the value of stats because I agree about that goal. He and the defenceman both misplayed/miscommunicated on it. Either way that’s on Freddie. There were goals where, sorry I’m not going back and reviewing, he really didn’t mess up. Both have the same statistical value. Both only one gets a CC black mark of shame.

After every game I hear X% or Y high danger area shots that are supposed to make me go ooh, ooh, ooh. But after every game I go back and rewatch the goals. And yes it’s opinion based.

- Canada Cup


Goalies don't get to the NHL by just not messing up.

ffs we need to stop looking at goals and figuring out who's fault it is. You are judged on how you play your position and as a starter you need to make tough saves and lots of them during a game.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Mar 14 @ 1:29 PM ET
Leafs should get Hintz and Faksa for Dermott and Willie.
Leafs get better players and 3m+ cap savings.

- MaximusAurelius

Lol
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Mar 14 @ 1:30 PM ET
As long as they do it in ways that don’t extend the pandemic
- Canada Cup


Whatever takes away the anger that is living in many people these days
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

Mar 14 @ 1:33 PM ET
Whatever takes away the anger that is living in many people these days
- Santo_44

winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Mar 14 @ 1:34 PM ET
So I disagree on the value of stats because I agree about that goal. He and the defenceman both misplayed/miscommunicated on it. Either way that’s on Freddie. There were goals where, sorry I’m not going back and reviewing, he really didn’t mess up. Both have the same statistical value. Both only one gets a CC black mark of shame.

After every game I hear X% or Y high danger area shots that are supposed to make me go ooh, ooh, ooh. But after every game I go back and rewatch the goals. And yes it’s opinion based.

- Canada Cup


Good points - I watched all the goals again and IMO the second and third goals were both bad ones. The first goal was kicked slowly towards the net and could have been stopped with better positioning/anticipation but it requried a tremendous save. That SV% grows significantly if a goalie lets in one or two softies nightly, because you need that many more miracle saves. I'm with Garnie, I would like to see someone else in the net.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Ci47X96H0


winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Mar 14 @ 1:35 PM ET
Lol
- Zezel

Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 14 @ 1:35 PM ET
Goalies don't get to the NHL by just not messing up.

ffs we need to stop looking at goals and figuring out who's fault it is. You are judged on how you play your position and as a starter you need to make tough saves and lots of them during a game.

- Santo_44


What are you talking about? When goalies mess up the puck goes in the net. Should we be judging them on their offensive ability? By being good in the room?

We judge them by their skill in not letting the puck in the net. When the puck goes in the net it is sometimes the result of a mistake they made - because they messed up. Sometimes it’s s play where they really didn’t have a chance to make a save a pt all. Jesus
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 14 @ 1:38 PM ET
Whatever takes away the anger that is living in many people these days
- Santo_44


Again, I’m forced to ask what the (frank) are you talking about?
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Mar 14 @ 1:38 PM ET
Your vote(s) have been recorded
- Canada Cup

Twice.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 14 @ 1:39 PM ET
Good points - I watched all the goals again and IMO the second and third goals were both bad ones. The first goal was kicked slowly towards the net and could have been stopped with better positioning/anticipation but it requried a tremendous save. That SV% grows significantly if a goalie lets in one or two softies nightly, because you need that many more miracle saves. I'm with Garnie, I would like to see someone else in the net.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Ci47X96H0

- winsix


I think we do next year
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 14 @ 1:39 PM ET
Twice.
- bobbyisno1

Stop the steal
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Mar 14 @ 1:41 PM ET
So I disagree on the value of stats because I agree about that goal. He and the defenceman both misplayed/miscommunicated on it. Either way that’s on Freddie. There were goals where, sorry I’m not going back and reviewing, he really didn’t mess up. Both have the same statistical value. Both only one gets a CC black mark of shame.

After every game I hear X% or Y high danger area shots that are supposed to make me go ooh, ooh, ooh. But after every game I go back and rewatch the goals. And yes it’s opinion based.

- Canada Cup



I think the stats really do speak for themselves. They coincide with you've felt about a player in many ways.

This is Freddy this year:

January: .893svp, -2.53GSAA
February: .918 svp, 1.76GSAA
March: .879svp, -3.24GSAA

I want to note that when we were HIGH on Freddie this year, his play was actually reaching his _average_ performance from 2017-18 - which is that of a top-10 goalie in the NHL. This was in the month of February. He had a below average January and a below average March. If you follow the "feels" of Leaf Nation, the general consensus about Freddie was negative through these periods.

The stats match the feelings.

Perhaps there's some correlation to team play:

In January, the Leafs were 27th in High Danger Chances Allowed / 60; 24th in Scoring Chances Allowed / 60 and 10th in Shots Allowed/60.

In February, the Leafs were 4th in HDCA / 60, 19th in SCA/60, and 10th in Shots Allowed/60.

In March, the Leafs are 8th in HDCA/60, 10th in Scoring Changes Allowed / 60, and 12th in Shots Allowed / 60.


So while I feel that the Leafs' defensive play in January was poor and the goaltending statistics would likely reflect the poor team play, and the team's improved defensive play through February was definitely echoed in the improved play of all goaltenders in that month, the play in February as a team has not tailed off as much as Fred's play has. The team did not play a very good game yesterday, there's no doubt, but neither did, nor has Fred of late.
DrunkenCanuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Check your PM, AB
Joined: 07.14.2009

Mar 14 @ 1:41 PM ET
Missed the game, but the highlight pack looked awful anyway.
Beautiful Wife and I attended our first house party in over a year. It was (frank)ing fantastic and felt like real life again. Highly recommend getting out to see your friends, if possible

- Byfuglien Ate Me


Foolish move.

The upcoming third wave with a bunch of new variants will be ten times worse than anything we have seen yet. Buckle up.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Mar 14 @ 1:48 PM ET
Lowrys is the 1 stinky one IMO, it still doesn’t help us.

Scheifle ripped it from the face off dot on a 5-3 with all day to pick a corner

I wish we could start someone else for 10 straight to see if helps. Just doesn’t seem to be aligning ( not even sure Keefe would anyways, pretty sure they watch some tape etc )

- Garnie

If he had all day then Andersen had all day to get off of his knees and back into a proper position.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Mar 14 @ 1:51 PM ET
The only two in-season goalies who you could _reasonably_ target, in my opinion, who are presently performing better than Andersen would be Ullmark or Raanta. Ullmark is a UFA after this season and has never played more than 37 games in an NHL season. He makes $2.6m. If he informs Buffalo that he doesn't intend to extend, they could move him. Likewise, Arizona might move Raanta depending on the severity of the injury to Kuemper. Raanta was making $4.2m.

I don't know if Ullmark is better than Andersen. I know that this year Ullmark has significantly better numbers on a much worse team.

- Monkeypunk

He's playing against teams that can't pick open areas of the net.
The pucks just hit him.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Mar 14 @ 1:51 PM ET
If he had all day then Andersen had all day to get off of his knees and back into a proper position.
- bobbyisno1


That's what I told her
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Mar 14 @ 1:52 PM ET
That's what I told her
- Zezel



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP9NoivOcpI
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Mar 14 @ 1:53 PM ET
You would have to be right to make that move because Campbell or andersen would be gone and there's no back up plan after Ulmark really.
- Aaron_85

They will both be gone if they don't get someone.
Andersen won't be re-signed before the expansion draft, if re-signed at all and the leaf have to expose 1 goalie which would be Campbell.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Mar 14 @ 1:55 PM ET
Lol
- Zezel

Agreed.
So that shows what little you know.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Mar 14 @ 1:55 PM ET
Wedgie’s hot take:

We have already locked up a playoff spot.

Put Matthews on LTIR for his wrist injury, use the cap space to add a 2nd line winger and a 3~4 D.

Take Matthews to the same faith healer that will cure Kucherov on the first day of the playoffs.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Mar 14 @ 1:59 PM ET
If he had all day then Andersen had all day to get off of his knees and back into a proper position.
- bobbyisno1


We have different opinions, I still love you though.
What’s the special at the shop today?
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Mar 14 @ 2:00 PM ET
Wedgie’s hot take:

We have already locked up a playoff spot.

Put Matthews on LTIR for his wrist injury, use the cap space to add a 2nd line winger and a 3~4 D.

Take Matthews to the same faith healer that will cure Kucherov on the first day of the playoffs.

- Atomic Wedgie


I knew we kept you around for something, great idea.

I’ll get my guy to call Keefes guy. ( he’ll tell Dubas )
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Mar 14 @ 2:01 PM ET
Wedgie’s hot take:

We have already locked up a playoff spot.

Put Matthews on LTIR for his wrist injury, use the cap space to add a 2nd line winger and a 3~4 D.

Take Matthews to the same faith healer that will cure Kucherov on the first day of the playoffs.

- Atomic Wedgie

I dunno...
.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

Mar 14 @ 2:01 PM ET
Leafs should get Hintz and Faksa for Dermott and Willie.
Leafs get better players and 3m+ cap savings.

- MaximusAurelius


bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Mar 14 @ 2:02 PM ET
We have different opinions, I still love you though.
What’s the special at the shop today?

- Garnie

We're closed on Sundays, pandemic hours. plus very little business.
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