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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 23 @ 10:25 AM ET
Imho, Bill Murray is not funny.
- Scoob


He was so good in "Lost in Translation."
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 23 @ 10:26 AM ET
Huh? Ellis is not as physical as Ekholm.
- PT21

I didn't say anything about Ellis being physical or not physical (because I haven't been able to watch him recently), only that he has a winning attitude and is better offensively than Ekholm. And I posted that I liked Ekholm's size and physical play and thought either defenseman would be a big upgrade to the Flyers.

I also asked a question that no one has answered, would the Flyers want to take on Ellis' contract?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 23 @ 10:28 AM ET
He was so good in "Lost in Translation."
- PT21

Yes, I think that was my favorite role of his, though he wasn't necessarily all funny in that film, which I liked. The scene where he is filming the commercial is so classic!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 23 @ 10:30 AM ET
Upon rewatching, I take back my comment that Ghost was starting a spin around and that what caused the angle of the deflection. The pass was a little in front of him.

However, the pass was not THAT far in front, not THAT fast, there was no one near him and he had a clear line of vision to see it come.

NHL videos suck donkey balls. I never understand why some of them are so blurry. In this snapshot, the puck is circled.

- PT21

Its a pass I expect a professional player to be able to handle, but it was far from a perfect pass. I think Ghost, Farabee and puck watching Provorov all have a slice of the blame pie on that one.
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Mar 23 @ 10:35 AM ET
NHL videos suck donkey balls. I never understand why some of them are so blurry. In this snapshot, the puck is circled.


- PT21


They only upload at 720p60 max. Don't know why they don't go any higher, especially on platforms such as YouTube, which supports 4K. They should at least do 1080p for their YouTube uploads.

Here's the relevant sequence in the highlights vid (cued to the proper time, at about the 8 minute mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGUMU0q5uNk&t=480s
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Mar 23 @ 10:44 AM ET
Huh? Ellis is not as physical as Ekholm.
- PT21


BS...he absolutely is. Physical isnt just hitting...physical is how you approach the position.

Ellis is extremely physical for 185lbs. Like Braun, he will absorb contact in the corners to get control of the puck....he clears the crease to the best of his ability with leg drive...he gets feisty if you get near his goalie. He will lay a hit when it is there and often gets fantastic leverage because his skating is very good and it helps his timing.

He isnt 210"lbs so he isnt going to blow most guys up on minor contact, that isnt his game. He is however physical compared to anyone on our defense
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 23 @ 10:47 AM ET
BS...he absolutely is. Physical isnt just hitting...physical is how you approach the position.

Ellis is extremely physical for 185lbs. Like Braun, he will absorb contact in the corners to get control of the puck....he clears the crease to the best of his ability with leg drive...he gets feisty if you get near his goalie. He will lay a hit when it is there and often gets fantastic leverage because his skating is very good and it helps his timing.

He isnt 210"lbs so he isnt going to blow most guys up on minor contact, that isnt his game. He is however physical compared to anyone on our defense

- juiced



I never said he is not physical. He is just not as physical as Ekholm. In all you wrote, you never compared the two.

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 23 @ 10:53 AM ET
He was so good in "Lost in Translation."
- PT21


Yes, I think that was my favorite role of his, though he wasn't necessarily all funny in that film, which I liked. The scene where he is filming the commercial is so classic!
- jd250



Never saw it, but if he's not trying to be funny in it, I might like it.

That's how I feel about Robin Williams, too. I don't find him funny in the least, but did enjoy him in Good Will Hunting.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 23 @ 10:56 AM ET
They only upload at 720p60 max. Don't know why they don't go any higher, especially on platforms such as YouTube, which supports 4K. They should at least do 1080p for their YouTube uploads.

Here's the relevant sequence in the highlights vid (cued to the proper time, at about the 8 minute mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGUMU0q5uNk&t=480s

- Bendecko



The pass wasn't horrible, imho 53 was lazy/careless on the receiving end.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 23 @ 11:04 AM ET
Never saw it, but if he's not trying to be funny in it, I might like it.

That's how I feel about Robin Williams, too. I don't find him funny in the least, but did enjoy him in Good Will Hunting.

- Scoob


He is very deadpan in LIT. The whole movie is understated, except for the Japanese folks in it. You would like it, I think.

RW was a great standup, who I never liked on screen.

I did not like Good Will Hunting. I know I am in the miniscule minority.
HeeroYuy
Location: Ligma, IL
Joined: 04.15.2017

Mar 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
The pass wasn't horrible, imho 53 was lazy/careless on the receiving end.
- Scoob


The pass went towards Ghost's feet, handcuffing him when he tried to receive it. It was a bad pass by a young promising player, it happens. Idk why people make Ghost the whipping boy every chance they get. He is an actually talented player and for most of the year has been playing quite well.

What I would really like to know, is why AV continues to limit G's ice time. Only played like 20 seconds in OT? He is still our best offensive minded player and the team's leader.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
The pass wasn't horrible, imho 53 was lazy/careless on the receiving end.
- Scoob


I disagree. After watching it the pass handcuffed him and Ghost had the option of using his skate and risking it deflecting it to guy in front of him, hence why he couldn't get his stick in the right position.

I put most of the blame on Elliot who way over committed on the play and left himself out of position. And Farabee who made the bad pass and wasn't strong enough on the defense.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 23 @ 11:09 AM ET
The pass went towards Ghost's feet, handcuffing him when he tried to receive it. It was a bad pass by a young promising player, it happens. Idk why people make Ghost the whipping boy every chance they get. He is an actually talented player and for most of the year has been playing quite well.

What I would really like to know, is why AV continues to limit G's ice time. Only played like 20 seconds in OT? He is still our best offensive minded player and the team's leader.

- HeeroYuy

It was a crappy pass that should have been handled, why didn’t he just use his feet ? It’s overtime, he made a piss poor attempt to receive the puck regardless how bad the pass was.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 23 @ 11:09 AM ET
Never saw it, but if he's not trying to be funny in it, I might like it.

That's how I feel about Robin Williams, too. I don't find him funny in the least, but did enjoy him in Good Will Hunting.

- Scoob

Yes, Murray is in a different role in this one, you will like it. Also Robin Williams was a great actor, watch him in the "World According to Garp", he did an awesome job in that one.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 23 @ 11:17 AM ET
It was a crappy pass that should have been handled, why didn’t he just use his feet ? It’s overtime, he made a piss poor attempt to receive the puck regardless how bad the pass was.
- ClaudeFather

In general I think that this was the first game where the Flyers actually played hard for 60 minutes, and thus in OT they were tired and made mistakes. The Islanders were clearly the fresher team in OT. This to me does not bode well for tonight's game, against NJ, which is a tough team to play against. I can envision another 6-1 loss tonight, especially given the let down from losing last night's game where the team played really hard.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 23 @ 11:25 AM ET
It was a crappy pass that should have been handled, why didn’t he just use his feet ? It’s overtime, he made a piss poor attempt to receive the puck regardless how bad the pass was.
- ClaudeFather




If he used his feet he risked it deflecting back to #18 right in front of him.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 23 @ 12:09 PM ET
If he used his feet he risked it deflecting back to #18 right in front of him.
- MBFlyerfan

This is the NHL, you can stop a pass with your foot, or why not just redirect it right out of the zone . There were a bunch of people at fault here but ghost is for sure one of them
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Mar 23 @ 12:10 PM ET
I never said he is not physical. He is just not as physical as Ekholm. In all you wrote, you never compared the two.
- PT21


2019 - Ekholm had 49 hits in 68 games; Ellis had 48 in 49 games
2018 Ekholm had 68 hits in 80 games and Ellis had 71 hits in 82 games.

I watch plenty of the Predators and I will have to disagree that Ekholm is more physical than Ellis. Even basic hit statistics show little separation. I just dont see where this idea of "Physical and with edge" i keep seeing on the Flyers blog pages comes from.

Ekholm is predictable and fundamentally sound...he wont wow you in any one area. Hes a good player but he is left side and we need right side help. For the cost, IMO Ellis is the better player for what this team needs.

ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 23 @ 12:10 PM ET
If he used his feet he risked it deflecting back to #18 right in front of him.
- MBFlyerfan

And Farabee was right in front of him too, that would not have mattered
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 23 @ 12:15 PM ET
2019 - Ekholm had 49 hits in 68 games; Ellis had 48 in 49 games
2018 Ekholm had 68 hits in 80 games and Ellis had 71 hits in 82 games.

I watch plenty of the Predators and I will have to disagree that Ekholm is more physical than Ellis. Even basic hit statistics show little separation. I just dont see where this idea of "Physical and with edge" i keep seeing on the Flyers blog pages comes from.

Ekholm is predictable and fundamentally sound...he wont wow you in any one area. Hes a good player but he is left side and we need right side help. For the cost, IMO Ellis is the better player for what this team needs.

- juiced


I think people discount the importance of us replacing Niskanen with another RH dman that plays the right side. it provides a proper slotting of dmen, and teams aren't as able to exploit the d on dump ins etc.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 23 @ 12:27 PM ET
2019 - Ekholm had 49 hits in 68 games; Ellis had 48 in 49 games
2018 Ekholm had 68 hits in 80 games and Ellis had 71 hits in 82 games.

I watch plenty of the Predators and I will have to disagree that Ekholm is more physical than Ellis. Even basic hit statistics show little separation. I just dont see where this idea of "Physical and with edge" i keep seeing on the Flyers blog pages comes from.

Ekholm is predictable and fundamentally sound...he wont wow you in any one area. Hes a good player but he is left side and we need right side help. For the cost, IMO Ellis is the better player for what this team needs.

- juiced

Thank you for this comparison. So in your opinion, do the Flyers have a problem with Ellis's contract, i.e. 6 more years at over $6M per? I wouldn't have an issue with it as long as I can trade Ghost, and lose JVR in the expansion draft as ways to free up space.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Mar 23 @ 12:42 PM ET
Thank you for this comparison. So in your opinion, do the Flyers have a problem with Ellis's contract, i.e. 6 more years at over $6M per? I wouldn't have an issue with it as long as I can trade Ghost, and lose JVR in the expansion draft as ways to free up space.
- jd250


Honestly I think it costs us Nolan Patrick and a little more.

It depends on how close they think Attard is. I thought he showed out pretty well this year. He fits all the right criteria...booming shot, 215lbs and growing, can skate. He just needs to find his consistency like York and then we would see. The real question is do they Flyers see 2nd pair with him or more. I think they expected Myers to be 1st pair but Im not sure he is there in the near term. So if they dont think Attard can be there next season then it would make sense if they could get Ellis.

Id rather them make a deal with Tampa because something has to give there. They are loaded up and have to shed salary....they played fast and loose with LTIR with Kucherov. They basically let him get some clean up procedure so they could bury his contract and not have to trade their way out of cap hell. That has to give soon. With that in mind, Id take a huge run at Cernak.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 23 @ 12:43 PM ET
You’re right, stay the course it is working great. Maybe if we keep the core together one or two more year they will figure it out? I see a whole lot more moral victories and actual defeats in our future if that happens. I look forward to reading the “much better effort tonight”, “we’re getting our chances”, and “we competed for 60 minutes” posts after each loss as they continue pile up.
- darkerens


I did not state to stay the course.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 23 @ 12:46 PM ET
You don't watch many Nashville games do you? I have watched several Nashville games over the past month and Ekholm is tough, he makes people pay for going into corners with him, battles hard in the slot area and is willing to take a hit to make a play (unlike Sanheim and Myers). I haven't been able to watch Ellis because he has been hurt, but I think his game is more offensive given his size.
- jd250



You've been wrong about Ekholm more times than I can count. From trade proposals to what kind of player he is.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
Myers won't always be a 3rd pairing d man, but he is now. Even last night he was routinely panicking with the puck and desperately struggling to get the puck to someone in a flyers jersey. He'll get better, but he wasn't ready for the responsibility Fletch promoted him to.

The problem with signing Braun is that we already had plenty of 3rd pairing d. Kinda like getting Gus was duplicating Ghost. And Braun has been better of late, but he's been unwatchable for much of the season. When he's good he's blocking shots and playing against lesser lines.

I'm sympathetic to fletch. The damn ED is a bear. So is the cap.

I swear hockey just isn't that fun to follow anymore since it's just about cap dynamics. The whole game has been gutted over 10 million dollars here and there, in a century where billionaires are all over the place in the way we used to say "millionaires" in the 70's. They should have implemented a luxury tax instead. This is absurd. "Well I would love to trade for x but I haven't banked that 150k". "Well the owner would buy out x but it would prevent our ability to sign ufa's for 4 more years...."

- therabbi


Myers played fine last night. He is not a 3rd pair defenseman. Braun has played well for the majority of the season. I disagree with you on pretty much everything.
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