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Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Mar 26 @ 10:44 AM ET
A game every other day for a month. NO practice time. Covid restrictions on many aspects of their lives.

It is definitely a unique time in many of these players lives.

That being said, they need to find a way to overcome it. Maybe when things chill out in April and they get some real practice time in they can right the ship.

All of the above would be factors for any human. But in the end, they need to find the mental fortitude to overcome it, and they haven't.

- MBFlyerfan


On defense with the loss of Niskanen, they have one true vet in Braun, a defensive liability in Gustafsson and bunch of kids with promise who are still trying develop their game and find consistency in condensed season with little practice time. Like you said though, they need to find a way to work through their issues.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Mar 26 @ 10:44 AM ET
I always try to keep the faith even when it’s bad. I always think back to 07 08. We were trucking along well. Then lost 10 in a row. Sky was falling. Rebounded to make the playoffs and went to the semis. Not saying that will happen here but bad stretches happen
- Hextall271


Jon Stevens baked a cake and saved the season
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 26 @ 10:45 AM ET
A game every other day for a month. NO practice time. Covid restrictions on many aspects of their lives.

It is definitely a unique time in many of these players lives.

That being said, they need to find a way to overcome it. Maybe when things chill out in April and they get some real practice time in they can right the ship.

All of the above would be factors for any human. But in the end, they need to find the mental fortitude to overcome it, and they haven't.

- MBFlyerfan


I mean couldnt they use warmups as a makeshift practice? At this point anything is better than nothing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 26 @ 10:46 AM ET
no great saves that other goalies are giving their teams but man I have never seen so many tap ins. They don't give up a lot of shots just give up GRADE TRIPLE AAAAAAA chances
- wcorvette


FHDCA (Flyers high danger chances given up)

Way down lower






HDCA


Analytic websites are debating whether to add a new category of scoring chances just for the Flyers.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 26 @ 10:49 AM ET
Morin fined 3200 for unsportsmanlike conduct last night
- wcorvette

good
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 26 @ 10:50 AM ET
Hart and Provorov for Eichel.

Who says "no"

(assuming this year is a not indicative of what any of those players can do)

- Aetherial


No. Would not want Eichel on a team I root for.
MrPerfect316
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, YT
Joined: 07.06.2008

Mar 26 @ 10:51 AM ET
This team should be better. Losing Niskanen should not equal this bad of play. If Niskanen was this valuable wow.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 26 @ 10:51 AM ET
Your posts since I waved the red flag are ample testimony to how easy it is to mess with you.

And yes, of course, he put in a guy who hasn't played in 2 years in a competitive regular season game against a bitter rival at halftime, while stopping the evaluation and experience of the possible future franchise qb, to give the good soldier some playing time.

Its pretty common. For example, once eliminated from playoffs, Flyers have historically played non-roster players in games against Rangers. You know, to give good soldiers their day under the light.

I suggest you write letters of outrage to the million people who said Eagles tanked. Start with Jalen "This ain't right", Hurts, continue with every single sports reporter in the city, and the country who commented, and take it up with Seth Joyner who ranted about it.

And finally, look up the definition of the word fortitude. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

- PT21


Fortitude means exactly what I think it means. The guy who has lost control and is not calm is the guy who is consistently calling people names like he was in high school.

It was quite obvious why Pederson put Sudfeld in. Reporters can label it what they want but I take it straight from the guy who made the decision

Pederson said he felt Sudfeld “deserved an opportunity to get some snaps.” In other words, the decision was about making a loyal backup feel good, rather than putting the best quarterback on the field (Carson Wentz was inactive).

Yes it is very common for coaches through all different sports at all different levels to play deep subs who don't play much in games when the opportunity arises.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 26 @ 10:52 AM ET
Honestly Provy has been a poop show. Lets put Morin with Provy, we have nothing to lose. At least it makes a statement about identity.
- wcorvette



It’s almost as alarming as Hart...I’m shocked to be honest with how poorly Provy has played.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 26 @ 10:54 AM ET
Wonder if the league is looking at that. He not only was holding BL by the hair, it seemed like he was pounding his head into the ice too.
- Tomahawk


Who ripped out a bunch of Thornton’s beard last year? We’re they fined?

Not saying it is ok.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 26 @ 10:54 AM ET
No. Would not want Eichel on a team I root for.
- Scoob


Why ? Just curious.
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Mar 26 @ 10:55 AM ET
Fortitude means exactly what I think it means. The guy who has lost control and is not calm is the guy who is consistently calling people names like he was in high school.

It was quite obvious why Pederson put Sudfeld in. Reporters can label it what they want but I take it straight from the guy who made the decision

Pederson said he felt Sudfeld “deserved an opportunity to get some snaps.” In other words, the decision was about making a loyal backup feel good, rather than putting the best quarterback on the field (Carson Wentz was inactive).

Yes it is very common for coaches through all different sports at all different levels to play deep subs who don't play much in games when the opportunity arises.

- MJL

stop. He put him in to increase their chances of losing. You really think he would say that? That's why he said what he said. What about all the players who "deserved" a win to end the season? Guess they don't count.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 26 @ 10:56 AM ET
Fortitude means exactly what I think it means. The guy who has lost control and is not calm is the guy who is consistently calling people names like he was in high school.

It was quite obvious why Pederson put Sudfeld in. Reporters can label it what they want but I take it straight from the guy who made the decision

Pederson said he felt Sudfeld “deserved an opportunity to get some snaps.” In other words, the decision was about making a loyal backup feel good, rather than putting the best quarterback on the field (Carson Wentz was inactive).

- MJL


1. No. It means perseverance during adversity. You meant some form of Internet bravado manliness.

Do you have the fortitude to take up my bet makes no sense. Like most things you write.

2. And of course you do.. It is who you are. You have been similarly "taking it" straight up from the Flyers equivalents for decades now.

The only question we wonder is, whether that "taking" is just cerebral or more carnal.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Mar 26 @ 10:58 AM ET
1. No. It means perseverance during adversity. You meant some form of Internet bravado manliness.

Do you have the fortitude to take up my bet makes no sense. Like most things you write.

2. And of course you do.. It is who you are. You have been similarly "taking it" straight up from the Flyers equivalents for decades now.

The only question we wonder is, whether that "taking" is just cerebral or more carnal.

- PT21



Are you guys the same person? Like in a Dissociative Identity way?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 26 @ 11:01 AM ET
No, that was not the only caveat. Voracek was tradable in those days, especially early. He did not have a NTC. He did not have to add JVR.

Why didn't he do it (trade 93, not sign 25)? Because I strongly believe that he went up against a culture among the Flyers, and many of its fans, (amply represented here) that you can cheat your way to the top without the real pain of truly sucking for some time.

Its funny, for the same franchise that prides itself historically on being a blue collar, lunch pail kinda team on ice, think they can finesse their way to contention AND be a playoff/borderline team during the years of sucking.

- PT21


How you equate the Flyers strategy of drafting and developing players and clearing up the salary cap as being a finesse way of building to contention makes zero sense. Hextall was doing it the right way. Team management pulled the plug on him. He wanted to be cautious with young players. They wanted the process sped up. It's interesting how you completely discount the abrupt change in course after Hextall was relieved in your formula.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 26 @ 11:02 AM ET
stop. He put him in to increase their chances of losing. You really think he would say that? That's why he said what he said. What about all the players who "deserved" a win to end the season? Guess they don't count.
- login


Yup.
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Mar 26 @ 11:05 AM ET
How you equate the Flyers strategy of drafting and developing players and clearing up the salary cap as being a finesse way of building to contention makes zero sense. Hextall was doing it the right way. Team management pulled the plug on him. He wanted to be cautious with young players. They wanted the process sped up. It's interesting how you completely discount the abrupt change in course after Hextall was relieved in your formula.
- MJL

There is more than 1 right way to do things. Looks like his right way isn't producing results.
Malkins right knee
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.21.2021

Mar 26 @ 11:07 AM ET
I think bill is struggling to find nice things to say about this team in his blog today... And I don't blame him

I haven't been this disappointed in this team in a long time
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 26 @ 11:09 AM ET
1. No. It means perseverance during adversity. You meant some form of Internet bravado manliness.


- PT21


Thanks for proving that it meant exactly what I thought it meant. I decide what I mean, not you. You have no say

Bravery is a synonym for fortitude



Do you have the fortitude to take up my bet makes no sense. Like most things you write.




- PT21


It sure does. The very fact that you were repeatedly unraveling and resorting to juvenile name calling shows that you were faced with adversity when you were again exposed and then challenged. You had no other recourse.



2. And of course you do.. It is who you are. You have been similarly "taking it" straight up from the Flyers equivalents for decades now.


- PT21


There is no reason to doubt him. He most likely pre planned it before the game even started. You have no better response than that? Weak for a scholar.


The only question we wonder is, whether that "taking" is just cerebral or more carnal.

- PT21


Not we, just you in your perversion. Again juvenile.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Mar 26 @ 11:11 AM ET
Who ripped out a bunch of Thornton’s beard last year? We’re they fined?

Not saying it is ok.

- Peter Richards


Did they say it was because of the hair pulling or because it because of how much time was left that he got fine for?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 26 @ 11:12 AM ET
Are you guys the same person? Like in a Dissociative Identity way?
- DrMidnite


It might well be, but one disassociated identity is handsome, charming, clever and a devil in bed.

The other one is MJL.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 26 @ 11:15 AM ET
I think bill is struggling to find nice things to say about this team in his blog today... And I don't blame him

I haven't been this disappointed in this team in a long time

- Malkins right knee


He’s probably writing his letter or resignation.. to whom it may concern I cannot continue watching this team even if I am paid to do so...
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 26 @ 11:17 AM ET
Thanks for proving that it meant exactly what I thought it meant. I decide what I mean, not you. You have no say

- MJL


But Merriam Webster does. That is the crux of the matter.

Let me also teach you another pair of rudimentary definitions that has escaped you.

1. Tanking (def.): Any act by a GM which lowers the probability of winning now in favor of raising the probabiity of winning in the future is tanking.

2. Tanking, degree of (def.): The degree of tanking is directly proportional to the probabilities mentioned in 1 above.



jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 26 @ 11:21 AM ET
Wonder if the league is looking at that. He not only was holding BL by the hair, it seemed like he was pounding his head into the ice too.
- Tomahawk

Yup, its was totally awesome!!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 26 @ 11:23 AM ET
But Merriam Webster does. That is the crux of the matter.

Let me also teach you another pair of rudimentary definitions that has escaped you.

1. Tanking (def.): Any act by a GM which lowers the probability of winning now in favor of raising the probabiity of winning in the future is tanking.

2. Tanking, degree of (def.): The degree of tanking is directly proportional to the probabilities mentioned in 1 above.




- PT21

Incorrect.

Tanking in sports refers to the practice of intentionally fielding non-competitive teams to take advantage of league rules that benefit losing teams.

By definition and Hextall's statements that they wanted to remain competitive while building up the prospect base and clearing up the cap situation, they were not tanking.
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