I don't disagree with Chatfield, Rafferty, Gaudette, Michaelis, Bailey.

Chatfield - 700k
Rafferty - i believe 700k
Gaudette - 950k
Michaelis - 700k
Bailey - 750k
Hawryluk - 800k

These players were signed to these deals, and are the calibre of player in which ARE replaceable, because so much money was handed out in my list above.

ALL Gm's make mistakes, and All GM's overpay once in a while. Not many GM's make the number of mistakes and overpay as much as Benning does though, in my opinion.
- Codes1087

You pay more attention to your team is all.

Boston signed Charlie Coyle to 6 years 5.25 AAV last season
12 points in 36 games this season. He was signed at 28 years old.

Some would have you believe that GMJB is the only one that makes mistakes. If you pay attention, you will find half the league makes the same size mistakes every year. Sometimes worse. It just isn't beat to death by the media.

Were getting a dman, beat it!
- neem55

BPA

With Ferland it is less about the player, and more about the current state of the team, and the cap of the team, than it is about the signing (very similar to Pearson's signing yesterday).

The problem now, and continues to be, that we are pouring money into these free agents, these complimentary players, where we FINALLY have a good core

Petterson / Hughes / Horvat / Boeser / Hoglander / Podkolzin / Demko / Miller.

This is actually a fantastic core to build a team around. So Focus on them, he needs to stop handing cap out like candy to players who don't deserve it, and focus on the players above.
- Codes1087

Yeah, I mean it goes around ad nauseum, but we have no idea what the direction of the team is. Ferland was signed when they were pushing for playoffs ASAP, so it was justified to get a good complimentary playoff performer. Miller/Toffoli trades, going for it again, seemed to fit the general message from the team.

Now after a good playoff run, where they got a bit lucky, they are now 2 years away and the decisions and attention of management don't seem like they are working towards that goal. As you say, get your core set and figure out what you have available to make them better

Well said, Codes.
- Marwood

Disagree respectfully but all good.

In any other year where Petey was top 5 in scoring and Hughes was top 3 in Norris voting I'd say you are correct why sign Pearson when you have other contracts to worry about. Having said that Petey and Hughes will most likely get affordable bridge deals at this point which is what they deserve based off their play/injuries. so Pearson's contract will have no bearing on signing Petey and Hughes whatsoever.
- LordHumungous

that's a myopic view. i'm not saying that pearson's deal prevents signing EP or QH at all. it doesn't affect them in the slightest.

my point is that the signing is yet another example of poor cap management. the team has been right up against the cap every year since jb has been here. that is atrocious fiscal management for a bad team. it can't be spun any other way.

by signing pearson right now and not shedding cap for the future, jb is yet again limiting himself trade-wise and signing-wise. we all acknowledge that the market should be deflated this summer with shorter term deals available. i don't understand the urgency in signing pearson and limiting the cap space even more.

but this is symptomatic of jb. everything is day to day and his supporters will defend every action as if it's in a vaccuum. every deal can be defended individually but if you look at them collectively, jb has been an absolute disaster aside from drafting.

This is a decent signing, it just looks bad due to TT walking for a cheap contract and scoring 19 goals already.

Had we signed TT to that habs deal and then Pearson to this deal. Everyone would like it.

Everyone just mad about TT. Does suck we let him walk.

you inadvertantly hit on the point. jb has done well in drafting and building a core. he is below average/poor in cap management and below average in pro-scouting/player acquisition.

where the team stands right now, the latter (professional player acquisition and cap management) is infinitely more important than drafting and building a core (which you have acknowledged is very good.)

that's the point: this is the time to bring in a re-tool on the fly guy.

jb has shown (even in yesterday's signing which was not bad/not great) that he is flying day to day with cap management. you might think this is a way to remain competitive but it is a way to remain mediocre at best.

you think, "give him another couple years to sort the cap out and let the core develop organically." that's fine but i disagree that they will be contenders with jb bringing in the complementary pieces. so at the end of the day, with another couple seasons, the jb experiment will have gone on for a decade.

the team's core will be fully mature and if the team is just a "playoff team" and not a contender, the team will be closer to full rebuild than retool.

at the end of the day: now is the time to get rid of jb. this is the time for retool on the fly. not 7 years ago and not 2 years from now.
- RealityChecker

Preach preach

alright time for me to be a d!ck since lefty has abandoned his one and only job!

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"Jennie was very complimentary about Kathy's riding"

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"three guitarists playing interlocking, complementary parts"

BPA
- manvanfan

Aside from a couple forwards, most of the top 10 BPA are Defensemen this year so far from what I have read.

A few weeks back, we all wanted to see the team go with 3 capable lines, adding in Podkolzin and possibly Lind into that group.
If that is the direction this team is looking at,(I have no idea what the thoughts are, obviously), one of those top 3 lines will be expected to play the hard minutes and still be relied on for producing goals.
I would think that Bo and Pearson, along with whoever else they put on that line, will be more than capable of continuing to fill that role, because it sure as shit isn't going to be whoever Elias is playing with and I doubt they would want to put Hodge or Podge in that spot, this early in their careers.
A few months back, I said Beagle will be replacing Malhotra responsibilities, it didn't go over well. I still believe that is going to happen, along with a few other cap issues.

that's a myopic view. i'm not saying that pearson's deal prevents signing EP or QH at all. it doesn't affect them in the slightest.

my point is that the signing is yet another example of poor cap management. the team has been right up against the cap every year since jb has been here. that is atrocious fiscal management for a bad team. it can't be spun any other way.

by signing pearson right now and not shedding cap for the future, jb is yet again limiting himself trade-wise and signing-wise. we all acknowledge that the market should be deflated this summer with shorter term deals available. i don't understand the urgency in signing pearson and limiting the cap space even more.

but this is symptomatic of jb. everything is day to day and his supporters will defend every action as if it's in a vaccuum. every deal can be defended individually but if you look at them collectively, jb has been an absolute disaster aside from drafting.
- RealityChecker

It feels as if JB sits in his own bubble and makes decisions without factoring much in. There's not forethought, there's no creativity. Plans last about 3 months before they're reworked in their entirety.

Drance pointed out yesterday after the Pearson signing that to get the team back to the playoffs next year, there's going to have to be a lot of shrewd, creative, thought out trades and signings and buyouts before the start of next season. None of those words apply to JB and the management since he's been here.

I understand JB lost a lot of "culture" with Tanev and TT and Marky leaving last year so wanted Pears back for those reasons... but as we've all said it's going to be a buyers market this off season, there was no rush to get him signed now.

However, I would (frank)ing laugh if JB traded him before the TDL this year

It feels as if JB sits in his own bubble and makes decisions without factoring much in. There's not forethought, there's no creativity. Plans last about 3 months before they're reworked in their entirety.

Drance pointed out yesterday after the Pearson signing that to get the team back to the playoffs next year, there's going to have to be a lot of shrewd, creative, thought out trades and signings and buyouts before the start of next season. None of those words apply to JB and the management since he's been here.

I understand JB lost a lot of "culture" with Tanev and TT and Marky leaving last year so wanted Pears back for those reasons... but as we've all said it's going to be a buyers market this off season, there was no rush to get him signed now.

However, I would (frank)ing laugh if JB traded him before the TDL this year
- NewYorkNuck

that's a myopic view. i'm not saying that pearson's deal prevents signing EP or QH at all. it doesn't affect them in the slightest.

my point is that the signing is yet another example of poor cap management. the team has been right up against the cap every year since jb has been here. that is atrocious fiscal management for a bad team. it can't be spun any other way.

by signing pearson right now and not shedding cap for the future, jb is yet again limiting himself trade-wise and signing-wise. we all acknowledge that the market should be deflated this summer with shorter term deals available. i don't understand the urgency in signing pearson and limiting the cap space even more.

but this is symptomatic of jb. everything is day to day and his supporters will defend every action as if it's in a vaccuum. every deal can be defended individually but if you look at them collectively, jb has been an absolute disaster aside from drafting.
- RealityChecker

Well said.

BPA
- manvanfan

Dman. And expose panic dump giraffe. One more year of LE and Lou, frees up a lot for those beidge contract guys

that's a myopic view. i'm not saying that pearson's deal prevents signing EP or QH at all. it doesn't affect them in the slightest.

my point is that the signing is yet another example of poor cap management. the team has been right up against the cap every year since jb has been here. that is atrocious fiscal management for a bad team. it can't be spun any other way.

by signing pearson right now and not shedding cap for the future, jb is yet again limiting himself trade-wise and signing-wise. we all acknowledge that the market should be deflated this summer with shorter term deals available. i don't understand the urgency in signing pearson and limiting the cap space even more.

but this is symptomatic of jb. everything is day to day and his supporters will defend every action as if it's in a vaccuum. every deal can be defended individually but if you look at them collectively, jb has been an absolute disaster aside from drafting.
- RealityChecker

It may be but it's where we are at.

I was ok with letting Pearson walk but I also understand why he brought him back. If Hogs and Pods don't work out in the top 6 next season then you are back to finding two more players to compliment Miller Boeser Horvat and Petey. Pearson gives them flexibility at a decent price. If Hogs and Pods steal this spots full time you can still use Pearson and a utility guy on the 3-4 lines. Win win. Now that Pearson is back I'm expecting Sutter to be gone for sure. This is just a negative reaction so folks can whine about not signing Toffoli...which was also a good call in letting him walk as time will show.

Pearson really isn't the issue. It's getting rid of Edler (and possibly Myers) to get the D built around Hughes properly. That will take some time.

Dman. And expose panic dump giraffe. One more year of LE and Lou, frees up a lot for those beidge contract guys
- neem55

Correct. Fill your needs and go from there.

https://www.nucksmiscondu...overpay-vancouver-canucks

alright time for me to be a d!ck since lefty has abandoned his one and only job!

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"three guitarists playing interlocking, complementary parts"
- RealityChecker

Well done.
I try not to use either of those words, as spell check always puts in the opposite of what I am meaning.

Well said.
- Marwood

You pay more attention to your team is all.

Boston signed Charlie Coyle to 6 years 5.25 AAV last season
12 points in 36 games this season. He was signed at 28 years old.

Some would have you believe that GMJB is the only one that makes mistakes. If you pay attention, you will find half the league makes the same size mistakes every year. Sometimes worse. It just isn't beat to death by the media.
- manvanfan

not true at all. Anyone could pick 1-3 players on each team, where they are severely overpaid per their production. The variance is obviously how much they make compared to what they provide. The bigger comparison needs to be how many of these bad contracts each team has, compared to ours, and how they are doing in the standings compared to us.

Take Boston for example. Since 2011, they have remained extremely competitive, continued to draft well, and have a projected 29.5 million in cap space next season with the following players left to sign:

Krecji 7.25 mill (will probably let walk)
Nick Ritchie 1.49 (will probably give a slight raise)
Kuraly 1.275 (wil probably get a slight raise)
Blidh 700k (will let walk)
Kevan Miller 1.25 (will probably give a slight raise or let walk)
Kampfer 800k (will give a slight raise)
Tinordi 700k (will most likely let walk)

their core is signed to good, capfriendly long term deals outside of Coyle, and Debrusk, and they have a ton of cap space to continue to insulate that Core with complimentary deals. They continue to get value complimentary deals at reasonably low costs, where we are paying between 3mill and 4.5 mill to do the same thing, yet ours aren't providing that value (Beagle/Roussel/Sutter [Sutter hasn't actually been bad this year, but its the last year of his 4 year contract where he sucked entirely up until now)

- LordHumungous

Vantel PM'ing you suggestions?

It may be but it's where we are at.

I was ok with letting Pearson walk but I also understand why he brought him back. If Hogs and Pods don't work out in the top 6 next season then you are back to finding two more players to compliment Miller Boeser Horvat and Petey. Pearson gives them flexibility at a decent price. If Hogs and Pods steal this spots full time you can still use Pearson and a utility guy on the 3-4 lines. Win win. Now that Pearson is back I'm expecting Sutter to be gone for sure. This is just a negative reaction so folks can whine about not signing Toffoli...which was also a good call in letting him walk as time will show.

Pearson really isn't the issue. It's getting rid of Edler (and possibly Myers) to get the D built around Hughes properly. That will take some time.
- LordHumungous

1) i believe you did that in direct response to my post earlier ;

2) i can see jb's "logic" in the signing. that's what i meant about being able to defend every decision in a vacuum but when looked at collectively, they don't make sense. i get what jb wants to do but i think where the nhl economy is right now, the better play was to wait until the offseason; and

3) getting rid of sutter/edler/meyers would be nice. i don't expect jb to do it. he has shown no indication that he has the ability to do so nor has he shown any desire to.

btw, just wanted to say that i agreed with letting marky, tanev and toffoli go. i was always under the impression that they were a couple seasons away so shedding salary was the way to go.

it just seems that jb "didn't let them go." i believe that he would have re-signed them but just didn't have the money/cap to... which makes me sigh.

It may be but it's where we are at.

I was ok with letting Pearson walk but I also understand why he brought him back. If Hogs and Pods don't work out in the top 6 next season then you are back to finding two more players to compliment Miller Boeser Horvat and Petey. Pearson gives them flexibility at a decent price. If Hogs and Pods steal this spots full time you can still use Pearson and a utility guy on the 3-4 lines. Win win. Now that Pearson is back I'm expecting Sutter to be gone for sure. This is just a negative reaction so folks can whine about not signing Toffoli...which was also a good call in letting him walk as time will show.

Pearson really isn't the issue. It's getting rid of Edler (and possibly Myers) to get the D built around Hughes properly. That will take some time.
- LordHumungous

Largely I question the timing, not the player and not even the AAV. If you're 2 years away and Pearson is on a 3 year deal, how critical is he really? Is the team going all in on year 3? I think getting the Demko deal done was unanimously praised because of his role in the core and the window it created, even if it carried some risk.

It reminds me of last offseason where they spent time chasing OEL and ended up with a better, more affordable, Schmidt. I feel like the Pearson situation could have had that potential if they waited it out, but oh well

not true at all. Anyone could pick 1-3 players on each team, where they are severely overpaid per their production. The variance is obviously how much they make compared to what they provide. The bigger comparison needs to be how many of these bad contracts each team has, compared to ours, and how they are doing in the standings compared to us.

Take Boston for example. Since 2011, they have remained extremely competitive, continued to draft well, and have a projected 29.5 million in cap space next season with the following players left to sign:

Krecji 7.25 mill (will probably let walk)
Nick Ritchie 1.49 (will probably give a slight raise)
Kuraly 1.275 (wil probably get a slight raise)
Blidh 700k (will let walk)
Kevan Miller 1.25 (will probably give a slight raise or let walk)
Kampfer 800k (will give a slight raise)
Tinordi 700k (will most likely let walk)

their core is signed to good, capfriendly long term deals outside of Coyle, and Debrusk, and they have a ton of cap space to continue to insulate that Core with complimentary deals. They continue to get value complimentary deals at reasonably low costs, where we are paying between 3mill and 4.5 mill to do the same thing, yet ours aren't providing that value (Beagle/Roussel/Sutter
- Codes1087[Sutter hasn't actually been bad this year, but its the last year of his 4 year contract where he sucked entirely up until now)

okay, now i'm feeling like i'm just being mocked.

1) i believe you did that in direct response to my post earlier ;
2) i can see jb's "logic" in the signing. that's what i meant about being able to defend every decision in a vacuum but when looked at collectively, they don't make sense. i get what jb wants to do but i think where the nhl economy is right now, the better play was to wait until the offseason; and
3) getting rid of sutter/edler/meyers would be nice. i don't expect jb to do it. he has shown no indication that he has the ability to do so nor has he shown any desire to.

btw, just wanted to say that i agreed with letting marky, tanev and toffoli go. i was always under the impression that they were a couple seasons away so shedding salary was the way to go.

it just seems that jb "didn't let them go." i believe that he would have re-signed them but just didn't have the money/cap to... which makes me sigh.
- RealityChecker

Yup.