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niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Apr 9 @ 8:13 AM ET
Wow, Sorokin was flat out amazing in the shootout. After that performance I was like, "OK, I'd like to take back some of the things I said after that horrible first Flyers goal..."
- UIF


He is so friggin quick. As our goalie coaches work with him more it will be fun to see how good He can be b/c man is he quick side to side.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Apr 9 @ 8:14 AM ET
Get Bailey off the Islanders and put anyone in his place. For the love of God try something else.
- Cptmjl


fixed.. so done with Josh.
Hockeyislife
New York Islanders
Joined: 05.29.2018

Apr 9 @ 8:41 AM ET
Unless Wahlstrom is injured there is no reason to keep him out of the lineup. We all saw how Inept our pp was yesterday. A 2-0 lead with a 5 min pp has blowout written all over it and yet we have 2 or 3 shots and the flyers had the better scoring chances. When the islanders have the 3 days off next week they have to work on the pp. Not going far in the playoffs with an inept pp.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Apr 9 @ 8:52 AM ET
Unless Wahlstrom is injured there is no reason to keep him out of the lineup. We all saw how Inept our pp was yesterday. A 2-0 lead with a 5 min pp has blowout written all over it and yet we have 2 or 3 shots and the flyers had the better scoring chances. When the islanders have the 3 days off next week they have to work on the pp. Not going far in the playoffs with an inept pp.
- Hockeyislife


When you hear Trotz talk about the PP he certainly gets it.."need to get more bodies in front and pucks to the net" and I am sure the coaches are constantly telling these guys too....And for a while they will do what they are supposed to on the PP... move the puck quickly around the outside, get bodies in front of net and get the puck to the net. It's not fken rocket science.. we constantly are trying to make the perfect play when 75% of PP goals are guys in front screening, tipping, or jamming in a rebound. We have guys like Bailey constantly trying these horrific low % fineses passes through 3 sticks that if it got through isn't a great play anyway... (I really do think he is a complete moron. tons of skill.. just dumb as a box of hair.)

I would love to see Trotz put the 4th line out there to make a point. you dopes don't have to make these absurd passes... throw it on net with bodies in front.. period.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Apr 9 @ 9:03 AM ET
https://twitter.com/RTaub.../1380340153911291907?s=20 Sorokin got a little lucky on that 4th one.. I never understand why the home team chooses to go first.

"to put pressure on them" .. I don't get that thought process. why wouldn't you want Last licks? no one in Baseball ever wanted to bat first to put pressure on the other team by scoring a run. it doesn't make sense to me.
Hockeyislife
New York Islanders
Joined: 05.29.2018

Apr 9 @ 9:06 AM ET
Also with an inept pp teams will take liberties and do whatever they want knowing that they will not score and gain momentum from killing the penalty off. Dont look for the perfect pass. Have bodies in front of the net take away the eyes of the goalie and look for tips and rebounds.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Apr 9 @ 9:58 AM ET
I really wish I would have just seen the interview, because here's yet another angle on the same statement

Christian Arnold
@C_Arnold01
3m
Trotz was asked if anything was lingering with Wahlstrom: "I'll be honest with you he was a little bit... if we had to play yesterday he would probably not be in the lineup. But I think he's close enough now that if we played tomorrow he could jump in lineup." #Isles

- UIF


So he’s battered but not broken.

If that’s the case, let him sit however long as is required. I want Wahlstrom and his shot at 100% come the playoffs.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 9 @ 10:11 AM ET
So he’s battered but not broken.

If that’s the case, let him sit however long as is required. I want Wahlstrom and his shot at 100% come the playoffs.

- Wildschwein


I finally saw the actual interview when it was posted to Twitter and I kind of get the different takeaways. Trotz answered two questions.

First, when asked if there was anything to Wahlstrom not being on the roster, he said:

"Yeah, you can't put him on the roster unless you put someone else down, and we felt that, from our standpoint, with getting the veteran guys, Wally doesn't have to be on the roster, and it maximizes our roster, so that's what that's based on. And that's for the long term. But he was available, yes."

Then the next question was if there were any lingering effects from the knock Wahlstrom took where he missed some time in the previous game, and Trotz said:

"I'll be honest with you, he was a little bit uh...you know, if we had to play yesterday he would probably not be in the lineup, but I think he's close enough now that if we played tomorrow he could jump in the lineup."

So, you figure out what that all means!
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 9 @ 10:13 AM ET
I finally saw the actual interview when it was posted to Twitter and I kind of get the different takeaways. Trotz answered two questions.

First, when asked if there was anything to Wahlstrom not being on the roster, he said:

"Yeah, you can't put him on the roster unless you put someone else down, and we felt that, from our standpoint, with getting the veteran guys, Wally doesn't have to be on the roster, and it maximizes our roster, so that's what that's based on. And that's for the long term. But he was available, yes."

Then the next question was if there was any lingering effects from the knock Wahlstrom took where he missed some time in the previous game and Trotz said:

"I'll be honest with you, he was a little bit uh...you know, if we had to play yesterday he would probably not be in the lineup, but I think he's close enough now that if we played tomorrow he could jump in the lineup."

So, you figure out what that all means!

- UIF


What a joke
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 9 @ 10:15 AM ET
I finally saw the actual interview when it was posted to Twitter and I kind of get the different takeaways. Trotz answered two questions.

First, when asked if there was anything to Wahlstrom not being on the roster, he said:

"Yeah, you can't put him on the roster unless you put someone else down, and we felt that, from our standpoint, with getting the veteran guys, Wally doesn't have to be on the roster, and it maximizes our roster, so that's what that's based on. And that's for the long term. But he was available, yes."

Then the next question was if there were any lingering effects from the knock Wahlstrom took where he missed some time in the previous game, and Trotz said:

"I'll be honest with you, he was a little bit uh...you know, if we had to play yesterday he would probably not be in the lineup, but I think he's close enough now that if we played tomorrow he could jump in the lineup."

So, you figure out what that all means!

- UIF

Probably means that, with two brand new guys in the lineup, things were a bit unpredictable and we know Barry loves predictability so I think there's a good chance he didn't want to ice a lineup with two new guys and a rookie. Hopefully they retool things and get him back in because Komarov is just dragging down that top line.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 9 @ 10:17 AM ET
What a joke
- Vukota


Yeah, that first answer makes it sound like they're supremely concerned someone might grab Komarov off waivers on the 5,438th opportunity after passing on him the previous 5,437 times

My thought was maybe something's in the works for the deadline? I'm not sure if waiver status would impact a deal being done, but maybe someone's thinking of taking Komarov's contract along with a pick or prospect, or something like that. I imagine that's just wishful thinking on my part, though, and it's really more to do with this strange Komarov love affair Trotz has.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 9 @ 10:18 AM ET
Probably means that, with two brand new guys in the lineup, things were a bit unpredictable and we know Barry loves predictability so I think there's a good chance he didn't want to ice a lineup with two new guys and a rookie. Hopefully they retool things and get him back in because Komarov is just dragging down that top line.
- eichiefs9


Yeah, I guess I could see that...make no changes for the three games in four nights and sort it all out during the three-game break after that.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 9 @ 10:20 AM ET
Yeah, that first answer makes it sound like they're supremely concerned someone might grab Komarov off waivers on the 5,438th opportunity after passing on him the previous 5,437 times

My thought was maybe something's in the works for the deadline? I'm not sure if waiver status would impact a deal being done, but maybe someone's thinking of taking Komarov's contract along with a pick or prospect, or something like that. I imagine that's just wishful thinking on my part, though, and it's really more to do with this strange Komarov love affair Trotz has.

- UIF


Leo has actually played ok the last few games. You want to keep him in fine but not at the expense of Wahlstrom. Right now Leo over Bailey
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 9 @ 10:21 AM ET
Yeah, I guess I could see that...make no changes for the three games in four nights and sort it all out during the three-game break after that.
- UIF

I'd honestly like to see Wahlstrom back in tonight. Rangers aren't the best team but they can definitely score quite a bit, so forcing Barzal and Eberle to drag around Leo's dead weight probably isn't the best option
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 9 @ 10:30 AM ET
I'd honestly like to see Wahlstrom back in tonight. Rangers aren't the best team but they can definitely score quite a bit, so forcing Barzal and Eberle to drag around Leo's dead weight probably isn't the best option
- eichiefs9


Well, if I was the coach, you'd have me convinced!

It'd be one thing if Wahlstrom was scoring goals but not coming back hard on defense. But that's not really the case -- I'd say he's been not just OK, but actually good on the backcheck, especially over the past few games as his scoring cooled down a bit.

[insert obligatory "but I trust Trotz" disclaimer]
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 9 @ 10:31 AM ET
Yeah, I know. I saw the replays. You better believe I was still swearing at the TV.
- UIF


Not to you UIF. Just used your post.
Seriously guys a fluke goal is not his fault.
Seriously then who’s fault is it? That’s on him there’s no way you can twist that if it hit a d man in front of him or double deflected yeah not his fault. This was a shot he totally whiffed on. That said he regrouped and played great the rest of the way which was awesome to see. Tough mentally and didn’t let it get to him. As I posted he was tremendous in the SO once again.
That’s almost as good a Barzal’s turn overs are his line mates fault.
Comical really.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 9 @ 10:44 AM ET
Leo has actually played ok the last few games. You want to keep him in fine but not at the expense of Wahlstrom. Right now Leo over Bailey
- Vukota


I'll say one thing in defense of Bailey -- who I agree is, and has been for years, the most maddening player on the Islanders: He does have 10 points in the 13 games since Lee went down. We were wondering who would step up and make up for Lee's production, and it's hard to argue that Bailey hasn't contributed his fair share.

I'll hang up now and take my beating for this post
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 9 @ 10:49 AM ET
I'll say one thing in defense of Bailey -- who I agree is, and has been for years, the most maddening player on the Islanders: He does have 10 points in the 13 games since Lee went down. We were wondering who would step up and make up for Lee's production, and it's hard to argue that Bailey hasn't contributed his fair share.

I'll hang up now and take my beating for this post

- UIF


Fair point. Leo should be the odd man out and like somebody said earlier its not like Wahlstrom is a liability in the D zone. I really hope he didn't play because of being banged up but knowing how Trotz feels about his veterans I'm not so sure that was the reason he sat
TogaIsles
New York Islanders
Location: TopFivePoster
Joined: 01.20.2018

Apr 9 @ 11:09 AM ET
Fair point. Leo should be the odd man out and like somebody said earlier its not like Wahlstrom is a liability in the D zone. I really hope he didn't play because of being banged up but knowing how Trotz feels about his veterans I'm not so sure that was the reason he sat

- Vukota

That tap in cross crease pass where watched the puck go past him was fuking brutal. How does he not have his stick down there for that pass is beyond me or at least make an attempt at it. No way he should remain on the first line. Third line, fine but even that doesn't make sense to me. PS not sure why this is bold
Hockeyislife
New York Islanders
Joined: 05.29.2018

Apr 9 @ 11:09 AM ET
Fair point. Leo should be the odd man out and like somebody said earlier its not like Wahlstrom is a liability in the D zone. I really hope he didn't play because of being banged up but knowing how Trotz feels about his veterans I'm not so sure that was the reason he sat

- Vukota


Only time Wahlstrom sits is when he is injured. He is our future don't want to give him a reason to ask for a trade. If he is struggling then give him a few days to sit and bring him back in.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 9 @ 11:20 AM ET
I'll say one thing in defense of Bailey -- who I agree is, and has been for years, the most maddening player on the Islanders: He does have 10 points in the 13 games since Lee went down. We were wondering who would step up and make up for Lee's production, and it's hard to argue that Bailey hasn't contributed his fair share.

I'll hang up now and take my beating for this post

- UIF



No beating from me.
Bailey is maddening and makes mistakes I agree however his gaffs are intensified by the hate most on here have for him.
Just like the shat goal Ilya let’s is not his fault however if Bailey was the goalie there would have been posts to kill and pull the bastard!
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Apr 9 @ 11:28 AM ET
Not to you UIF. Just used your post.
Seriously guys a fluke goal is not his fault.
Seriously then who’s fault is it? That’s on him there’s no way you can twist that if it hit a d man in front of him or double deflected yeah not his fault. This was a shot he totally whiffed on. That said he regrouped and played great the rest of the way which was awesome to see. Tough mentally and didn’t let it get to him. As I posted he was tremendous in the SO once again.
That’s almost as good a Barzal’s turn overs are his line mates fault.
Comical really.

- nyisles7

I'm pretty sure you are aware there's a difference between a bad goal and a fluke one when assessing the ol' 'that was a softy' narration. To me 99% of saves that go off a butt end like that are lucky and the same can be said for a puck that hits it and goes in. It was an unlucky bounce. Nothing more, nothing less. It happens to them all sometimes.
Hockeyislife
New York Islanders
Joined: 05.29.2018

Apr 9 @ 11:28 AM ET
We are losing Bailey Eberle or Mayfield in expansion. With all the anger and hatred for bailey among the fan base I am sure everyone wants Seattle to take him. Its truly sad that we are waiting for expansion just to clear cap space
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 9 @ 11:29 AM ET
Leo has actually played ok the last few games. You want to keep him in fine but not at the expense of Wahlstrom. Right now Leo over Bailey
- Vukota

What you’re really saying is he has played fine for Komarov which is still not good enough for the first line. Also, I agree if you must have that pile of horse manure on the first line then by all means get Bailey out who has been personally sabotaging just about every, single, powerplay this season. He has been so bad all over the ice this entire season.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 9 @ 11:31 AM ET
I'd honestly like to see Wahlstrom back in tonight. Rangers aren't the best team but they can definitely score quite a bit, so forcing Barzal and Eberle to drag around Leo's dead weight probably isn't the best option
- eichiefs9

I’ll also add which I bought up last night that pulling wahlstrom’s shot off the powerplay is to me I’ll advised.
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