We won't. We have cheap ale and soccer on the telly to keep us occupied now. Besides, last thing we need is to inherit your country with all it's guns, crime, weak beer and talk show hosts.

The 2nd amendment still makes a lot of sense if you restrict it to period weapons. Good luck doing a mass shooting with an 18th century muzzle loaded musket hidden under your coat.
- oldstyle

The British army invades Canada every summer and has for like 50 years (pre pandemic).

Just look up BATUS. 🤣

We won't. We have cheap ale and soccer on the telly to keep us occupied now. Besides, last thing we need is to inherit your country with all it's guns, crime, weak beer and talk show hosts.

The 2nd amendment still makes a lot of sense if you restrict it to period weapons. Good luck doing a mass shooting with an 18th century muzzle loaded musket hidden under your coat.
- oldstyle

This opinion, in particular, is so hopelessly out of date.

Do you really think Ford made this decision, in a bubble. This is the kind of mis-guided statement I am talking about.

Further, your premise ignores the huge rise in cases after holidays and after re-opening indoor gathering places.

How many large scale breakouts have you heard about from front-line workers. I would say it is about the same as the newsworthy blatant disregard for the rules that we hear so much about.


IF they followed this path right off the bat, literally nobody outside of LTC Health Workers and some of Toronto/North York/Peel would be vaccinated. Many people at risk for the most severe outcomes would be ignored.
- Aetherial

Ford had the final say after they "listened" to the experts. He's making more decisions than his Chief Medical Officer David Williams. Don't think either seem to be qualified.

And when I say priority I mean to include the essential workers like at Amazon, and places like that where the mass spreads are happening.

And if Ford would stop being so damn stubborn and enact paid sick leave - sick people would not be going to work and making it worse.

This opinion, in particular, is so hopelessly out of date.
- mjones242

Hmmm dunno. I was in Montana about a year and a half ago and the beer was pathetically soft.

23C on the island today boys👍

About frickin time

Leafs PP sucks. Goalies need to be better. On to the next game.

I do agree with that some of the media was discussing. That there's a lot of bottom 6 competition.

Foligno is coming. Nash is likely to play come playoffs. Who sits? Not Kerfoot. Not Spezza or Mickey. Thornton, Engvall, Simmonds are all options to sit out.
- Aaron_85

jumbo joke should sit in the change room and play slayer to get the boyz fired up for the playoffs n playing the body

south of heaven is the greatest metal tune of all time

the boyz will have fun in the change room and isn’t that the point?

what a fcucking joke 🤦‍♂️

edit: nice alliteration 👍🏿

Hmmm dunno. I was in Montana about a year and a half ago and the beer was pathetically soft.
- joel878

Which beer?

Which beer?
- mjones242

Specifically the weak ones, I found their MGD to be way softer than it is in Canada. Not sure why. Same with the Coronas in Arizona. But I drank a bunch of brewery beer in both places and wasn't impressed. Also their bud tastes like Canada's bud light. 🤷🏻‍♂️

We won't. We have cheap ale and soccer on the telly to keep us occupied now. Besides, last thing we need is to inherit your country with all it's guns, crime, weak beer and talk show hosts.

The 2nd amendment still makes a lot of sense if you restrict it to period weapons. Good luck doing a mass shooting with an 18th century muzzle loaded musket hidden under your coat.
- oldstyle

Nice story. One problem. I'm not American. You'll have to come up with another unoriginal, stupid rant. I'll give you a few minutes to google, copy and paste.

Ford had the final say after they "listened" to the experts. He's making more decisions than his Chief Medical Officer David Williams. Don't think either seem to be qualified.

And when I say priority I mean to include the essential workers like at Amazon, and places like that where the mass spreads are happening.

And if Ford would stop being so damn stubborn and enact paid sick leave - sick people would not be going to work and making it worse.
- Nasty_Duck

Just curious are you suggesting government paid sick days or forcing employers to have paid sick time for their staff? And how many paid sick days per employee are you suggesting?

One results in increased taxes, the other likely forces some small business owners to fold and perhaps even some medium sized ones.

I don’t think having paid sick days would have had nearly as big an impact is slowing down or stopping the spread as some folks think it would have. Just my opinion. I certainly don’t have the info on how many who have spread it contracted it at work.

I view it a bit like I see with teenagers (when they were in school) who had all
Kids of rules at school and then I would see groups of 10 of them hanging out, hugging and wrestling like everything was normal.

Kids can’t be blamed necessarily, they either are too young to get it or just have the “I’m invincible and I care about only myself” mentality because - well they are kids!

Just curious are you suggesting government paid sick days or forcing employers to have paid sick time for their staff? And how many paid sick days per employee are you suggesting?

One results in increased taxes, the other likely forces some small business owners to fold and perhaps even some medium sized ones.

I don’t think having paid sick days would have had nearly as big an impact is slowing down or stopping the spread as some folks think it would have. Just my opinion. I certainly don’t have the info on how many who have spread it contracted it at work.

I view it a bit like I see with teenagers (when they were in school) who had all
Kids of rules at school and then I would see groups of 10 of them hanging out, hugging and wrestling like everything was normal.

Kids can’t be blamed necessarily, they either are too young to get it or just have the “I’m invincible and I care about only myself” mentality because - well they are kids!
- Cush29

Kids may have contributed to some of the spread. I know at the public school in my area the kids in the playground were not all wearing masks and most were not social distancing.

Prov Govt would contribute to if not pay for paid sick days - and may be they get contribution from Fed govt. In many cases paid sick days would keep people home and prevent spread. Especially in the lower-paying jobs where 1) they cant afford to stay home without pay and 2) where they are working in larger facilities with many other people. One sick person can spread to dozens or even hundreds.

Nice story. One problem. I'm not American. You'll have to come up with another unoriginal, stupid rant. I'll give you a few minutes to google, copy and paste.
- gergeswillems

You from...
London?
Sarnia?
Chatham?
Windsor?
Essex?
Oil Springs?
Electric?
Huffman Corners?

You from...
London?
Sarnia?
Chatham?
Windsor?
Essex?
Oil Springs?
Electric?
Huffman Corners?
- Woderwick

Huffman Corners? Where the heck is that?

Sorry but you are describing how things work in normal times (or when you worked in or with the government) and not today while we are in a world wide pandemic.

If we have learned anything from today things can unilaterally be changed and the pandemic can be used to validate that change.

Not that it matters at all but I have worked for (and still work for) the provincial government for 20 + years.

I get how politics and government work.

There was no ask to give up anything the provinces had - they didn’t have any vaccines to distribute and the feds are the ones who made that happen.

Regardless I’m just going to agree to disagree with you. You are not going to convince me that the feds could not have dictated who gets it when via who is deemed essential or not and I’m likely not going to convince you that they could.

All good.

Boom.
Boom it.
Agree to disagree.
Go Leafs Go.
- Cush29

Of course it’s all good but haven’t spent years negotiating direct with the feds and working with other I do know that provinces would go ballistic if Ottawa tried to undermine their jurisdiction over health.

It would also be stupid for the feds to do it. There’s no national public health issue, there are a series of regional issues that need local and and regional responses. You can’t set a national set of vaccination priorities that make sense in NB, Ontario and BC. Also, provinces should be aligning all of their policy response - vaccine, store openings, etc

Huffman Corners? Where the heck is that?

- Nasty_Duck

Lol

Chatham area.

Just curious are you suggesting government paid sick days or forcing employers to have paid sick time for their staff? And how many paid sick days per employee are you suggesting?

One results in increased taxes, the other likely forces some small business owners to fold and perhaps even some medium sized ones.

I don’t think having paid sick days would have had nearly as big an impact is slowing down or stopping the spread as some folks think it would have. Just my opinion. I certainly don’t have the info on how many who have spread it contracted it at work.

I view it a bit like I see with teenagers (when they were in school) who had all
Kids of rules at school and then I would see groups of 10 of them hanging out, hugging and wrestling like everything was normal.

Kids can’t be blamed necessarily, they either are too young to get it or just have the “I’m invincible and I care about only myself” mentality because - well they are kids!
- Cush29

The kinds of people who tend not to have access to paid sick leave are usually in low paid jobs who can’t afford to take time off if they’re not feeling well. Workplaces are a major source of Covid spread.

Lol

Chatham area.
- Woderwick

You see what happens when you’re forced to grow up in Ottawa: you become a policy nerd

You from...
London?
Sarnia?
Chatham?
Windsor?
Essex?
Oil Springs?
Electric?
Huffman Corners?
- Woderwick

Winterfell. But I now live in Kings Landing. I'm hoping to move to Westeros in a few years.

Ford had the final say after they "listened" to the experts. He's making more decisions than his Chief Medical Officer David Williams. Don't think either seem to be qualified.

And when I say priority I mean to include the essential workers like at Amazon, and places like that where the mass spreads are happening.

And if Ford would stop being so damn stubborn and enact paid sick leave - sick people would not be going to work and making it worse.
- Nasty_Duck

No point arguing this with you.

Winterfell. But I now live in Kings Landing. I'm hoping to move to Westeros in a few years.
- gergeswillems

Ooohhhh kaaaaayyyyyyyyy

No point arguing this with you.
- Aetherial

Of course it’s all good but haven’t spent years negotiating direct with the feds and working with other I do know that provinces would go ballistic if Ottawa tried to undermine their jurisdiction over health.

It would also be stupid for the feds to do it. There’s no national public health issue, there are a series of regional issues that need local and and regional responses. You can’t set a national set of vaccination priorities that make sense in NB, Ontario and BC. Also, provinces should be aligning all of their policy response - vaccine, store openings, etc
- Canada Cup

Uh isn’t a world wide pandemic a national public health issue?

In fact isn’t that pretty much what would define a national health issue?

Agree to disagree on this still.

Winterfell. But I now live in Kings Landing. I'm hoping to move to Westeros in a few years.
- gergeswillems

People should understand that the risk of portal vein thrombosis (pvt) is at least 10 times higher from covid infection than from getting a vaccine.
mRNA vaccines seem to do worse in preventing this risk/condition than the more classical vaccine approaches (j&j, AZ, sputnik).
Same for Cerebral Vein Thrombosis (CVT) where the mRNA vaccines seem to do better in preventing the risks (vs the classical vaccine approaches) - but all vaccines are reducing the risk of CVT vs covid infection.

These are early data, and the effect (and implications) might vary between different age groups, other determinants (men vs women etc).

Best is to take any vaccine with regulatory approval.
Covid 19 disease put you at risk of a lot of health conditions, and vaccines (obviously) reduce all of these risks.

N.B.: there is still no data on mid to long term potential effects of mRNA vaccines, so personally I still stay with the classical vaccine approaches.

Ford had the final say after they "listened" to the experts. He's making more decisions than his Chief Medical Officer David Williams. Don't think either seem to be qualified.

And when I say priority I mean to include the essential workers like at Amazon, and places like that where the mass spreads are happening.

And if Ford would stop being so damn stubborn and enact paid sick leave - sick people would not be going to work and making it worse.
- Nasty_Duck

Overall, I think Ford is doing okay. Same for the federal government. Everyone is doing the best they can to play the hand they were dealt. Based on current supply and the actual injection rates, Canada is about 18 days off the current US first jab rate of 375 jabs per thousand people.

Part of the problem, Canada has done such an outstanding job of protecting against the spread of Covid. So, now, we are like the dry tinder being exposed to an oncoming forest fire. US mortality rates due to Covid are nearly 3x higher than they are in Canada. Nobody knows the true Covid infection rates but all evidence suggests US infection rates are more than 3x as high as Canada.

Let's see what happens over the next 3 weeks. I think we will see an upward surge in infections among a much younger age group. There will be a small increase, but I don't think there will be a significant change in Canadian mortality rates due to Covid.

Canada has already vaccinated 80% of seniors over the age of 70 and is rapidly scaling up the plus 60 group. Israel hit a vaccine hesitancy wall and a significant slow down in the pace of injections at around 50%. UK saw a drop in the pace of vaccines at around 40% and has struggled during the past few weeks to get to 50%. April 18 is the date Biden has said everyone in the US will have access to a vaccine (no age restrictions). Vaccine hesitancy will have a larger influence than supply when it comes to measuring the actual jab rate. I predict Canada will top out at around 68%. The US will not get beyond 55%.

49 million jabs targeted for delivery to Canada by 1 July (10 weeks from now). Very close to full supply for 2 jabs for 68% of all Canadians. I think we have been played by the federal liberals. Ford has willingly put himself in the role of villain for their triumphal Canada day celebrations.

I believe Trudeau will do everything possible to ensure the Leafs win the Stanley Cup. Nothing is more important to the liberal base than the blue seats of the GTA. However, there is no confirmation that Trudeau will appear as the colour commentator on the Punjabi broadcast of the first Leaf playoff game.