With the Scythe?
- VanHockeyGuy

Until Benning is fired, yes.

Did you ever think the protocols make you sick, think about it critically, they are all designed to weaken your immune system. The mask, bacteria that you exhale goes back into your lungs, distancing creates fear of your fellow man and we need germs for the immune system to pick up and block it, sitting cooped up in your house is never any good, go out get some sun it kills virises in seconds and hug each other it's good for you.
- Bettmanhatesus

Is the lamb BBQ happening this year?

Did you ever think the protocols make you sick, think about it critically, they are all designed to weaken your immune system. The mask, bacteria that you exhale goes back into your lungs, distancing creates fear of your fellow man and we need germs for the immune system to pick up and block it, sitting cooped up in your house is never any good, go out get some sun it kills virises in seconds and hug each other it's good for you.
- Bettmanhatesus

Protect your body from Salmonella, eat raw chicken!
Protect your body from HIV, jab used needles in your arms!

They have to have a goalie to expose – if they didn't have Holtby, they'd be forced to expose Demko as none of the other goalies we have qualify.

It's not about Seattle taking him, it's about providing a goalie within the rules of the expansion.
- NewYorkNuck

Again, I didn’t say not to protect Demko. But you guys are making it sound like Holtby was JB’s only option to protect Demko. It wasn’t. I don’t think Demko’s protect should cost the franchise $8.6 million. That’s absurd.

Ummm I think you mean the amazing Ian Clark.
- manvanfan

Ian Clark working with Holtby.



Do you believe in miracles?

Protect your body from Salmonella, eat raw chicken!
Protect your body from HIV, jab used needles in your arms!
- NewYorkNuck

Bill gates wants to have lab meat because animal farts creates greenhouse gasses lol would you eat it? These elites are truly sick frankers.

Again, I didn’t say not to protect Demko. But you guys are making it sound like Holtby was JB’s only option to protect Demko. It wasn’t. I don’t think Demko’s protect should cost the franchise $8.6 million. That’s absurd.
- bloatedmosquito

Like Brooks said, it was a combo of:

1. Insurance in case Demko wasn't ready to be the #1. 2. Because most people expected he'd come in not be complete trash. 3. Ian Clarke could help him get back on track. 4. Exposure to Seattle. 5. It's only a 2 year contract - most people were demanding more of these shorter term deals.

Not just Seattle, but a culmination in all these factors. If they knew Demko was fully ready to to the reigns, they probably would have signed a cheaper backup.

NHL states they will closely monitor teams taking advantage of LTIR cap advantages.

Meanwhile...

TB Lightning projected LTIR: $17,274,736

They have to have a goalie to expose – if they didn't have Holtby, they'd be forced to expose Demko as none of the other goalies we have qualify.

It's not about Seattle taking him, it's about providing a goalie within the rules of the expansion.
- NewYorkNuck

Or whichever other goalie they had signed instead, for less, allowing them to use that cap space for an actual position of need, like on defense, as an example.

The options weren’t sign Holtby OR lose Demko.

Bill gates wants to have lab meat because animal farts creates greenhouse gasses lol would you eat it? These elites are truly sick frankers.
- Bettmanhatesus

Wait, they're sick (frank)ers because they're trying to create a sustainable food source for people who want to eat meat?

And hell ya I would eat it. Yum yum

Or whichever other goalie they had signed instead, for less, allowing them to use that cap space for an actual position of need, like on defense, as an example.

The options weren’t sign Holtby OR lose Demko.
- 1970vintage

If they signed a cheap goalie, and Demko stumbled this year under the weight of being the number one, how much poop would they have caught for going the cheap route?

Now, Holtby hasn't lived up to his paycheck for sure, but they needed a stronger vet back there as insurance.

Like Brooks said, it was a combo of:

1. Insurance in case Demko wasn't ready to be the #1. 2. Because most people expected he'd come in not be complete trash. 3. Ian Clarke could help him get back on track. 4. Exposure to Seattle. 5. It's only a 2 year contract - most people were demanding more of these shorter term deals.

Not just Seattle, but a culmination in all these factors. If they knew Demko was fully ready to to the reigns, they probably would have signed a cheaper backup.
- NewYorkNuck

#1 and #2 are the result of short-sightedness because Holtby’s stats leading up to the signing indicated a sharp decrease in abilities.

#3 is a strange excuse considering the team most likely will not be bringing Clarke back this coming season. How is Ian going to help Holtby if he works for another team?

#4 is not a Holtby specific tactic. That could have been done with any UFA goalie at a much cheaper rate. With that contract chances are he won’t be claimed and you are stuck paying Holtby $5.7M next season on a team that’s already at a cap disadvantage.

#5 it’s a 2 year contract but at a unnecessarily high cost. And other UFA goalies that you’d be able to expose were not asking for more.

Bottom line for me is that most knew the team would take a step back so it was going to be a lost year and yet JB over committed to a backup goalie position while going bargain basement at the forward and defensive positions.

I just don’t see the plan here.

If they signed a cheap goalie, and Demko stumbled this year under the weight of being the number one, how much poop would they have caught for going the cheap route?

Now, Holtby hasn't lived up to his paycheck for sure, but they needed a stronger vet back there as insurance.
- NewYorkNuck

Damned if you do, damned if you don't - it's like the hindsight crowd also double as the Nostradamus crowd.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't - it's like the hindsight crowd also double as the Nostradamus crowd.
- Brooks_Light

Hindsight is my superpower.

Marwood waiting for people to show up here for the game today.


- VanHockeyGuy

Like this but darker and more whinging

Wait, they're sick (frank)ers because they're trying to create a sustainable food source for people who want to eat meat?

And hell ya I would eat it. Yum yum
- NewYorkNuck

Could just not eat beef

Could just not eat beef
- neem55

You crazy.

Could just not eat beef
- neem55

Personally I don't eat much meat. Maybe once a week. But for some people, it's a middle ground. They can have beef/whatever without the massive environmental impacts. I don't mind.

Meat tastes good, ain't arguing that

#1 and #2 are the result of short-sightedness because Holtby’s stats leading up to the signing indicated a sharp decrease in abilities.

#3 is a strange excuse considering the team most likely will not be bringing Clarke back this coming season. How is Ian going to help Holtby if he works for another team?

#4 is not a Holtby specific tactic. That could have been done with any UFA goalie at a much cheaper rate. With that contract chances are he won’t be claimed and you are stuck paying Holtby $5.7M next season on a team that’s already at a cap disadvantage.

#5 it’s a 2 year contract but at a unnecessarily high cost. And other UFA goalies that you’d be able to expose were not asking for more.

Bottom line for me is that most knew the team would take a step back so it was going to be a lost year and yet JB over committed to a backup goalie position while going bargain basement at the forward and defensive positions.

I just don’t see the plan here.
- bloatedmosquito

I think #1 & 2 & 4 are a result of decent foresight actually - It would have been stupid to sign a UFA goalie to a long term deal AND why wouldn't you bet on Demko being a #1? What kinda message does that send the team and player? Based on Demko development/stats he was/is on his way to being a #1 guy.

#3 how do you know that resigning Ian wasn't in their plans last year? And/or still isn't?

Next, look at the UFA goalies from last year & the deals were handed out - once you do that you quickly realize the choices were "less than stellar" to say the least. Most available were VERY much in the same boat as Holtby, declining, past their prime, older goalies or not great to begin with. Go thru the list and tell me which guy you would have hedged your bet with and indicate how they would have been a better option than BH? Even using current stats, which guy has worked out that you think would've been playing better than BH? Mike Smith (He hasn't played this well in ten years) is the only guy I can come up with - and I can only imagine how the "fan" base would've reacted if Van signed a 38year old last off season. And how do you know he wouldnt have played equally as terrible as BH has?

Mantha 4 games 4 goals for Washington

I think #1 & 2 & 4 are a result of decent foresight actually - It would have been stupid to sign a UFA goalie to a long term deal AND why wouldn't you bet on Demko being a #1? What kinda message does that send the team and player? Based on Demko development/stats he was/is on his way to being a #1 guy.

#3 how do you know that resigning Ian wasn't in their plans last year? And/or still isn't?

Next, look at the UFA goalies from last year & the deals were handed out - once you do that you quickly realize the choices were "less than stellar" to say the least. Most available were VERY much in the same boat as Holtby, declining, past their prime, older goalies or not great to begin with. Go thru the list and tell me which guy you would have hedged your bet with and indicate how they would have been a better option than BH? Even using current stats, which guy has worked out that you think would've been playing better than BH? Mike Smith (He hasn't played this well in ten years) is the only guy I can come up with - and I can only imagine how the "fan" base would've reacted if Van signed a 38year old last off season. And how do you know he wouldnt have played equally as terrible as BH has?

- Brooks_Light

We will agree to disagree. The fact that fans and media types are looking at the buy-out options and implications suggests it was a mistake. Hindsight or not, just add it to the pile of JB blunders.

We will agree to disagree. The fact that fans and media types are looking at the buy-out options and implications suggests it was a mistake. Hindsight or not, just add it to the pile of JB blunders.
- bloatedmosquito

I think it's also about the cap situation at large. I don't think anyone would care about Holtby if the cap wasn't so tight. If they had enough room to sign their guys and upgrade at other positions, no one would really be looking to buy him out, IMO.

absolutely, keep an eye on ADA, LTC, XRP.
- VanHockeyGuy

Have a look at CHZ. I think it could be pretty decent longterm. I have ADA and XRP, also some Siacoin. I dumped my Doge when it hit .42 US, quadrupled my money in 2 days.

I think it's also about the cap situation at large. I don't think anyone would care about Holtby if the cap wasn't so tight. If they had enough room to sign their guys and upgrade at other positions, no one would really be looking to buy him out, IMO.
- NewYorkNuck

But does Holtby’s contract contribute to or diminish Canuck’s cap issues considering that the not-very-good backup goalie is adding $4.3M to the not-very-good team’s cap?

We will agree to disagree. The fact that fans and media types are looking at the buy-out options and implications suggests it was a mistake. Hindsight or not, just add it to the pile of JB blunders.
- bloatedmosquito

haha ok. My point is "fans" and "media types" are outta their fawking minds if they think Holtby is actually gonna get bought out. they're just setting themselves up to be butthurt. It's actually quite a hilarious cycle to watch.