"Does Trotz expect to win 1-0 every night?"

yeah.. pretty much.

Are we warming to the idea of Varly might be moved this summer yet? I got a bit of push back on that in the beginning of this season. (rightfully as Sorokin wasn't playing well at that point).. but now that we see what Sorokin is hopefully capable of and will be... what will his contract extension cost this summer and can we afford to keep them both? If the answer is no... then I presume Varly will be the one traded.. no?

Yes it's great having 2 elite goaltenders but was we have seen in the past few years our goalie coaches (and the system we play) brings out the best in anyone we sign. I am sure they can find another gem... or turn Schneider into a very capable back up.

Are we warming to the idea of Varly might be moved this summer yet? I got a bit of push back on that in the beginning of this season. (rightfully as Sorokin wasn't playing well at that point).. but now that we see what Sorokin is hopefully capable of and will be... what will his contract extension cost this summer and can we afford to keep them both? If the answer is no... then I presume Varly will be the one traded.. no?

Yes it's great having 2 elite goaltenders but was we have seen in the past few years our goalie coaches (and the system we play) brings out the best in anyone we sign. I am sure they can find another gem... or turn Schneider into a very capable back up.
- niteislander

I think we should remember that Varly brings value beyond his on-ice presence. He's a mentor for Ilya and apparently the two have a pretty good working friendship. I'd prefer we let Varly finish out his term.

I think we should remember that Varly brings value beyond his on-ice presence. He's a mentor for Ilya and apparently the two have a pretty good working friendship. I'd prefer we let Varly finish out his term.
- keaner17

Sure in a perfect world, but in the cap world I don't see him finishing out all 4 years here.

The isls have a great team. They remind me of 2012-2015 Rangers. Unfortunately Barzal is the only elite forward on this team, similar to Nash for the rangers, but Barzal is the better player. When Anders Lee is your second best forward thats a problem. They need to add more talent up front bc when the system is not working its hard for them score goals. Their goalie tandem and defense will carry them in the PO IMO. Wish this season was longer as I think it would have been fun down the stretch for both teams.
- nyrangers2

Travis Flynn @NDRedEagle
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Consider this isn't driven by games vs BUF/NJD.

Sorokin's save% vs other teams since 2/1:

1.000 v PIT
.958 v PHI
.973 @ PHI
.556 @ PIT
.938 v PHI
.926 v PHI
.923 v NYR
.926 v BOS
1.000 @ PHI

So in 8 of the 9 non-BUF/NJD games since 2/1, Sorokin's given NYI good chance to win.
- eichiefs9

Well 7 won't like that I think he's a fan of him just didn't want to get too far ahead

Sure in a perfect world, but in the cap world I don't see him finishing out all 4 years here.
- Vukota

I always thought it was varly and then year 2 ease sorokin in then a split year 3 and sorokin s crease year 4 but we are ahead of schedule currently

Sure in a perfect world, but in the cap world I don't see him finishing out all 4 years here.
- Vukota

Agree on that, but I don't think we're quite in the "dump him for cap space" zone just yet.

Rookie goalies seem to, many times, play well their first year and struggle their second year when teams start to compile a lot of video on them and see them a lot more. Case-in-point: Carter Hart

We all know I'm the biggest Sorokin boner-boy on here, but I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles a bit next season once teams have an entire offseason to dissect his game

Agree on that, but I don't think we're quite in the "dump him for cap space" zone just yet.

Rookie goalies seem to, many times, play well their first year and struggle their second year when teams start to compile a lot of video on them and see them a lot more. Case-in-point: Carter Hart

We all know I'm the biggest Sorokin boner-boy on here, but I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles a bit next season once teams have an entire offseason to dissect his game
- eichiefs9

Agreed. I was thinking he'll be gone after next year.

- Wildschwein

Was expecting that...

Agree on that, but I don't think we're quite in the "dump him for cap space" zone just yet.

Rookie goalies seem to, many times, play well their first year and struggle their second year when teams start to compile a lot of video on them and see them a lot more. Case-in-point: Carter Hart

We all know I'm the biggest Sorokin boner-boy on here, but I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles a bit next season once teams have an entire offseason to dissect his game
- eichiefs9

I'm guessing they could see khl video but maybe that's hard to come by? I think being a bit older than Hart he will be better in his sophomore season but you make a good point

Agreed. I was thinking he'll be gone after next year.
- Vukota

That's my guess. He'll have one year left on his deal at that point and then he becomes a lot easier to move. His salary is $1M less than his cap hit in the final year too. His full-NTC becomes a partial, with a 16-team no-trade list, after this season.

I'm guessing they could see khl video but maybe that's hard to come by? I think being a bit older than Hart he will be better in his sophomore season but you make a good point
- Upstate_isles

Yeah but different rink sizes and a lower talent level probably doesn't make that the most reliable source of scouting I'm sure. KHL uses at least two, and I think three, different sized rinks.

Not saying it's useless, but it's probably not the same as playing against him and having NHL video to pick apart and try and find weaknesses.

Agree on that, but I don't think we're quite in the "dump him for cap space" zone just yet.

Rookie goalies seem to, many times, play well their first year and struggle their second year when teams start to compile a lot of video on them and see them a lot more. Case-in-point: Carter Hart

We all know I'm the biggest Sorokin boner-boy on here, but I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles a bit next season once teams have an entire offseason to dissect his game
- eichiefs9

I can't imagine with his numbers you wouldn't get something very good coming back..especially if they have a good playoff run. 2022 and 2023 draft have some possible super stars.. I wouldn't mind trying to get another team's first to see if we can get lucky.

http://stevenpellis.com/t...ft-is-going-to-be-wicked/

2023 has Bedard ..

I can't imagine with his numbers you wouldn't get something very good coming back..especially if they have a good playoff run. 2022 and 2023 draft have some possible super stars.. I wouldn't mind trying to get another team's first to see if we can get lucky.

http://stevenpellis.com/t...ft-is-going-to-be-wicked/

2023 has Bedard ..
- niteislander

There's literally nobody to replace him with. Corey Schneider wouldn't be a viable option ever, no matter who the goaltending coaches are. That's also putting a lot of eggs in one basket. I love Sorokin and even I would like to see him string together two solid years before we just hand him the starter's job full-time.

Another year of Varly is probably in order and then we can start exploring trading him.

Islanders might not have a choice this offseason. Sorokin is going to get paid this summer. I see him getting north of 6 million. Lee 7 million is back on the books next year and also we have beau cizikas and Pelech to sign.

There's literally nobody to replace him with. Corey Schneider wouldn't be a viable option ever, no matter who the goaltending coaches are. That's also putting a lot of eggs in one basket. I love Sorokin and even I would like to see him string together two solid years before we just hand him the starter's job full-time.

Another year of Varly is probably in order and then we can start exploring trading him.
- eichiefs9

Rask, Rinne, Halak, Binnington, Reimer, Grubauer, Mrazek, Raanta, and Fredrick Andersen are all UFA.


Varly making $5 mill. Sorokin getting 2 mill this year (which was basically $3 mill b/c they gave him $1 mill to hang out in the bubble last year knowing he couldn't play).

My guess is Illya wants at least 3 mill + next year. Can we really get away with $8+ mill for Goaltenders?

you are probably right that Varly plays at least one more season, but I think it's just as likely they trade him Or Sorokin this summer.

Islanders might not have a choice this offseason. Sorokin is going to get paid this summer. I see him getting north of 6 million. Lee 7 million is back on the books next year and also we have beau cizikas and Pelech to sign.
- Hockeyislife

I don't see Lou paying him anywhere near $6 or even $5 mill as an RFA.

Rask, Rinne, Halak, Binnington, Reimer, Grubauer, Mrazek, Raanta, and Fredrick Andersen are all UFA.


Varly making $5 mill. Sorokin getting 2 mill this year (which was basically $3 mill b/c they gave him $1 mill to hang out in the bubble last year knowing he couldn't play).

My guess is Illya wants at least 3 mill + next year. Can we really get away with $8+ mill for Goaltenders?

you are probably right that Varly plays at least one more season, but I think it's just as likely they trade him Or Sorokin this summer.
- niteislander

Binnington was extended.

Most of those guys are probably downgrades from Varlamov. The ones that aren't, probably aren't going to sign much cheaper (if cheaper, at all) than where Varlamov is at now.

So we'd be moving a known-asset to just replace the cap space he takes up with something that's either marginally-less or about the same. And goalies don't historically have very high trade value.

Binnington was extended.

Most of those guys are probably downgrades from Varlamov. The ones that aren't, probably aren't going to sign much cheaper (if cheaper, at all) than where Varlamov is at now.

So we'd be moving a known-asset to just replace the cap space he takes up with something that's either marginally-less or about the same. And goalies don't historically have very high trade value.
- eichiefs9

Exactly right. I can’t envision a scenario in which the return for Varlamov would outweigh his value to the club.

Islanders might not have a choice this offseason. Sorokin is going to get paid this summer. I see him getting north of 6 million. Lee 7 million is back on the books next year and also we have beau cizikas and Pelech to sign.
- Hockeyislife

I don’t see how. He’s a RFA first year tender making 2 per. I see his next deal being a bridge in the 4 million range.

Binnington was extended.

Most of those guys are probably downgrades from Varlamov. The ones that aren't, probably aren't going to sign much cheaper (if cheaper, at all) than where Varlamov is at now.

So we'd be moving a known-asset to just replace the cap space he takes up with something that's either marginally-less or about the same. And goalies don't historically have very high trade value.
- eichiefs9

What do u think we sign Sorokin for though? $3 mill or $4 mill bridge deal?

how much u think Grubauer or Mrazek makes? u think our coaches with one of those and Sorokin making 3.5 mill ish each can't be just as good and that isn't better than 8/9 mill+ on Varly/Sorokin.

Let's see exactly what we all want happens and we win the cup or get to the cup final so u definitely don't want to trade Varly.. what do you thing we would get in a trade for Sorokin?

(I am not saying you are wrong. you are probably right and Varly will be our starter game 1 next year, but I'm just bored at work and wondering what we could get for either of these guys in a best case scenario).

Varly wasn't exactly killing it when we signed him. Many were not happy we gave him that contract instead of Lehner.

His last year in Col save % .909 with a 2.87 GAA 49 games... 20-29-9m

first year with us 45 games .914 save% gaa 2.62 19-14-6

- Wildschwein

Varly wasn't exactly killing it when we signed him. Many were not happy we gave him that contract instead of Lehner.

His last year in Col save % .909 with a 2.87 GAA 49 games... 20-29-9m

first year with us 45 games .914 save% gaa 2.62 19-14-6
- niteislander

I was one of them...

He had a good season with Colorado and played well for them in the playoffs one year then crapped the bed. I for one was not happy we signed him and not Lehner. He has played excellent since then so happily wrong about him.