Actally not so. There is a way to scientifically determine whether a goal has crossed the line. Lidar (light detection and ranging) uses sensors to accurately measure distances from a reference point. It is reliable and accurate. These sensors could easily detect whether a puck crosses the goaline even if the goalie tries to Cheat hide the puck with his equipment
- winsix

I’m sure the US military could order in a drone strike on a cheating goalie - sure there might be some collateral damage. I’m not talking about the technology. I’m talking about accessibility.

I don’t want some geek in a lab coat deciding goals based on something that we can’t be part of. We can be part of a video review. It’s that simple for me.

The revenue streams disagree with you.

https://www.statista.com/...-clubs-revenue-by-stream/
- Atomic Wedgie

i am assuming most of those revenue streams are still from UK and Europe though. (and not from Asia/North America).

and still, those are for the current format (UK league and European Champions League, Euroleague) -- it is still not sure what will happen with a new format.

UK based football fans will more likely watch Newcastle United vs Southampton than Barcelona vs Inter Milan.
Same for Spanish fans preferring Betis vs Sevilla than Tottenham - Juventus.
etc. etc.

Ya sure ...tell that to Agnelli, Rodriguez, Glazer, Kroenke et al ....

These billionaires want to ensure that their grandchildren's grandchildren can afford their yachts and private islands.

The year LFC won CL they cashed in on about 120-150 Milly in prize $$.

Just showing up in the Superleague they'll reportedly double or triple that.
- The Law

But the current system is broken, and there is no viable solution.

You said that you like watching the smaller clubs climb the ladder - but the most they can ever hope for is getting to middle rung.

Yesterday I listed the winners of the major euro football leagues - there simply isn't competition at the highest levels.

What's so crazy about the idea that the most global sport in the world should have a league that transcends european boundaries? Hell, with the exception of the UK, they are all in the EU anyways.

You would find it boring if the NHL had no salary cap, all 20 teams were Canadian, and we were playing against Kingston and Victoria and St. John's and Yellowknife.

this is what most football fans agree on, and the biggest points of criticism.

however, I am not sure UEFA & FIFA will lose - they can still leverage the World Cup card (restricting superleague players from participating).
- MaximusAurelius

That's the threat but do you really think the majority of the best players in the world will be banned from World Cup? ..not a chance.

UEFA needed (still might) to concede to the big guys a little bit more.

In NA we're used to profit sharing and competitive balance to support the smaller clubs. Footy has always been different. CL profit sharing and now FFP were the first big moves in Europe to create balance/sharing and limit the power of the big guys.

Ultimately the big guys didn't like it and Uefa wasn't budging in the negotiations.

i am assuming most of those revenue streams are still from UK and Europe though. (and not from Asia/North America).

and still, those are for the current format (UK league and European Champions League, Euroleague) -- it is still not sure what will happen with a new format.

UK based football fans will more likely watch Newcastle United vs Southampton than Barcelona vs Inter Milan.
Same for Spanish fans preferring Betis vs Sevilla than Tottenham - Juventus.
etc. etc.
- MaximusAurelius

You are greatly underestimating Asian demand for European football.

And yes, UK based football fans will predominantly watch UK based teams.

How is that different than NHL fans?

Montreal and Calgary losses increase Canucks’ odds of making the playoffs to 18%. It was 6% when Covid hit. They’d be in first place if they didn’t play at all this year. I wonder what their odds are if they win tonight?

But the current system is broken, and there is no viable solution.

You said that you like watching the smaller clubs climb the ladder - but the most they can ever hope for is getting to middle rung.

Yesterday I listed the winners of the major euro football leagues - there simply isn't competition at the highest levels.

What's so crazy about the idea that the most global sport in the world should have a league that transcends european boundaries? Hell, with the exception of the UK, they are all in the EU anyways.

You would find it boring if the NHL had no salary cap, all 20 teams were Canadian, and we were playing against Kingston and Victoria and St. John's and Yellowknife.
- Atomic Wedgie

the issue was the Bosman-ruling of 1995.
they should address that problem that was created.

there is already a league that transcends european boundaries.
it's the champions league.
problem is that teams got greedy there as well -- and instead of only having the actual champions participate, england spain germany, france, italy etc. have 3-5 teams in there every year.

most of the problems re competitiveness were created by not addressing properly the issues created by the bosman ruling.

Then they got it wrong. Oh well
- Canada Cup

Its the Leafy way. Along with every backup up plays vezina quality, even thou they havnt stopped a beach ball against any other team ten games prior. Every local Ontario boy scores against them but its there first goal in like forever. When the other team shoots it seems the puck will turn on edge, go around corners, ricochet of anything and still squeak thru the tiniest opening and end up a goal. Leafs shoot and the nets wide open its a 99% chance of not going in cuz the post-crossbar combo keep getting in the (frank)ing way...

the issue was the Bosman-ruling of 1995.
they should address that problem that was created.

there is already a league that transcends european boundaries.
it's the champions league.
problem is that teams got greedy there as well -- and instead of only having the actual champions participate, england spain germany, france, italy etc. have 3-5 teams in there every year.

most of the problems re competitiveness were created by not addressing properly the issues created by the bosman ruling.
- MaximusAurelius

Yes, I hate it when courts rule that restriction of human rights is deemed illegal.

But the current system is broken, and there is no viable solution.

You said that you like watching the smaller clubs climb the ladder - but the most they can ever hope for is getting to middle rung.

Yesterday I listed the winners of the major euro football leagues - there simply isn't competition at the highest levels.

What's so crazy about the idea that the most global sport in the world should have a league that transcends european boundaries? Hell, with the exception of the UK, they are all in the EU anyways.

You would find it boring if the NHL had no salary cap, all 20 teams were Canadian, and we were playing against Kingston and Victoria and St. John's and Yellowknife.
- Atomic Wedgie

It's been inevitable for a long time. The money involved and the shrinking of the globe was always going to make this happen.

I agree. But I've been watching long enough that I'll miss the surprising wins and runs that smaller clubs can go on sometimes. Ultimately they won't win but smaller clubs like Ajax going on a long run is fun.

That being said ...I'll adjust. I'm a LFC supporter so I'll dive right in and it'll be fun to know that every single year I'll get to watch them play against the best of the best.

You are greatly underestimating Asian demand for European football.

And yes, UK based football fans will predominantly watch UK based teams.

How is that different than NHL fans?
- Atomic Wedgie

supposedly, the games will be played during the week.
most UK games start around noon / 1pm / 2pm / 3pm UK time during the weekends, which is prime time in Asia.
no way these Superleague games will be played 1pm on a Tuesday afternoon in London (empty stadium).
sure, if the teams leave the national leagues and start their games 1pm Sat & Sunday (which by the way is impossible for Spain in particular due to climate considerations) there would indeed be a big asian TV market.
but still, the national markets are bigger than asian market.

Asian broadcast owners already complained about 'late' starting times of UK games
https://www.sportspromedi...-fixture-schedule-2020-21

It's been inevitable for a long time. The money involved and the shrinking of the globe was always going to make this happen.

I agree. But I've been watching long enough that I'll miss the surprising wins and runs that smaller clubs can go on sometimes. Ultimately they won't win but smaller clubs like Ajax going on a long run is fun.

That being said ...I'll adjust. I'm a LFC supporter so I'll dive right in and it'll be fun to know that every single year I'll get to watch them play against the best of the best.
- The Law

I can't handle Chelsea getting their poop kicked in by those (frank)ers from La Liga.

Yes, I hate it when courts rule that restriction of human rights is deemed illegal.
- Atomic Wedgie

'human rights'?
so individual player's salary limitations in NHL are a violation of NHL players' human rights as well?

there is an easy solution for all of this:
teams can contract as many non-nationals as they want. however, only max 3-4 of these non-nationals can play at the same time for the team (can substitute though).

it is a way to keep the leagues competitive - and promote in-house player development.

(there are restrictions in getting employed in US / Canada as well - is that a 'human rights violation' as well?)

I can't handle Chelsea getting their poop kicked in by those (frank)ers from La Liga.
- AdamFrench

I'm hardwired to hate Chelsea so I wouldn't hate it if CFC chose to stay in CL .....the CL final is scheduled to be in London in 24' ....that's a big opportunity!

'human rights'?
so individual player's salary limitations in NHL are a violation of NHL players' human rights as well?

there is an easy solution for all of this:
teams can contract as many non-nationals as they want. however, only max 3-4 of these non-nationals can play at the same time for the team (can substitute though).

it is a way to keep the leagues competitive - and promote in-house player development.

(there are restrictions in getting employed in US / Canada as well - is that a 'human rights violation' as well?)
- MaximusAurelius

Mobility.

It's been inevitable for a long time. The money involved and the shrinking of the globe was always going to make this happen.

I agree. But I've been watching long enough that I'll miss the surprising wins and runs that smaller clubs can go on sometimes. Ultimately they won't win but smaller clubs like Ajax going on a long run is fun.

That being said ...I'll adjust. I'm a LFC supporter so I'll dive right in and it'll be fun to know that every single year I'll get to watch them play against the best of the best.
- The Law

My brother-in-law is from Chesterfield.

In 1996-97 they tied in the semis of the FA Cup, before losing the rematch.

They are now in something called the National League, chasing the Hartlepool Monkey Hangers for first place.

Hell, I was a Wimbledon F.C. supporter.

I get it.

But those days are long gone.

'human rights'?
so individual player's salary limitations in NHL are a violation of NHL players' human rights as well?

there is an easy solution for all of this:
teams can contract as many non-nationals as they want. however, only max 3-4 of these non-nationals can play at the same time for the team (can substitute though).

it is a way to keep the leagues competitive - and promote in-house player development.

(there are restrictions in getting employed in US / Canada as well - is that a 'human rights violation' as well?)
- MaximusAurelius

Your analogy doesn't work.

If an NHL team held the rights of a player without a contract, and prevented them from signing with a Swiss team without the NHL team receiving compensation, then you would be free to make an NHL analogy.

Sadly, that's not the donut shop we are sitting in.

happy 420 people

My brother-in-law is from Chesterfield.

In 1996-97 they tied in the semis of the FA Cup, before losing the rematch.

They are now in something called the National League, chasing the Hartlepool Monkey Hangers for first place.

Hell, I was a Wimbledon F.C. supporter.

I get it.

But those days are long gone.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm sure you was the only one

I'm sure you was the only one
- 21peter

Big fan of Molde FK?

Big fan of Molde FK?
- AdamFrench

Bro, I'm from Oslo... (frank) Molde

My brother-in-law is from Chesterfield.

In 1996-97 they tied in the semis of the FA Cup, before losing the rematch.

They are now in something called the National League, chasing the Hartlepool Monkey Hangers for first place.

Hell, I was a Wimbledon F.C. supporter.

I get it.

But those days are long gone.
- Atomic Wedgie

What might actually happen is that in the EPL these 6 teams may utilize their superstars a little less in their domestic leagues. That'll give the minnows greater opportunity to surprise.

The big 6 have largely treated the FA cup as an afterthought for a few years now. It's an important trophy but domestic/CL/Cup schedules ..plus international duties ...it's all too much. So the Cup games have become an annoyance and the big guys use their back ups/young guys a lot.

You're going to use your superstars in the mid-week S.L. so the Saturday morning game at Burnley is destined to be full of young guys. The whole idea of winning (or finishing top 4) your domestic league was so that you could gain entry into the CL. Totally unnecessary now.

Your analogy doesn't work.

If an NHL team held the rights of a player without a contract, and prevented them from signing with a Swiss team without the NHL team receiving compensation, then you would be free to make an NHL analogy.

Sadly, that's not the donut shop we are sitting in.
- Atomic Wedgie

there are still special taxing rules for professional athletes in the EU though.
so these should be abolished as well imo if you want to compare professional athlete contracts and working conditions with other professions.

The European Union should have not get involved here - professional leagues should be able to put in specific rules to keep leagues competitive and giving better chances for all teams to win a league / championship.

I am mainly referring to the rule to maximize the number of non nationals (so only 3-4 non germans on german teams; both for national league as international games) and not so much on the transfer rights issues.

Would you like it if NHL teams start importing loads of European 12-13 year olds to their youth team systems (in football it's players from Africa, Latin America) in order for them to get tabs on these younger guys early on (of course, out of 10, 8 fail and never make it to professional leagues).

My brother-in-law is from Chesterfield.

In 1996-97 they tied in the semis of the FA Cup, before losing the rematch.

They are now in something called the National League, chasing the Hartlepool Monkey Hangers for first place.

Hell, I was a Wimbledon F.C. supporter.

I get it.

But those days are long gone.
- Atomic Wedgie

Also ...is Chesterfield the home of the "couch"?

What might actually happen is that in the EPL these 6 teams may utilize their superstars a little less in their domestic leagues. That'll give the minnows greater opportunity to surprise.

The big 6 have largely treated the FA cup as an afterthought for a few years now. It's an important trophy but domestic/CL/Cup schedules ..plus international duties ...it's all too much. So the Cup games have become an annoyance and the big guys use their back ups/young guys a lot.

You're going to use your superstars in the mid-week S.L. so the Saturday morning game at Burnley is destined to be full of young guys. The whole idea of winning (or finishing top 4) your domestic league was so that you could gain entry into the CL. Totally unnecessary now.
- The Law

Who (frank)ing cares? Boris Johnson is going to step away from solving Covid and hold a special Cabinet meeting on the Super League today. It’s done.