For those of you who haven’t watched ALL the videos including the ones removed from online social media platforms then you can’t really make a solid case if you just saw a nine minute video.
Murder 2 are you serious. This country is in trouble
Vigilante justice. Might as well start hangings and within the hour firing squads.
I doubt that these jurist didn’t know what was going on.

Yeah, he gets beat like Braun from time to time, but the poop he can do when the team has the puck more than makes up for it.

Like I said, he's not what the fans want.
- Tomahawk

I betcha he is protected.

For those of you who haven’t watched ALL the videos including the ones removed from online social media platforms then you can’t really make a solid case if you just saw a nine minute video.
Murder 2 are you serious. This country is in trouble
Vigilante justice. Might as well start hangings and within the hour firing squads.
I doubt that these jurist didn’t know what was going on.
- bird_dog_pa

Yup. This is a rational reaction to today’s events.

Thanks to whoever posted the Bob McKenzie top prospects vid last night.

Very interesting that it sounds like any of the top five or six prospects could end up going first overall. Will be interesting to see if Chuck holds onto our 1st. I’m definitely leaning towards it being dealt right now however.

The Flyers, IMO, need more than just a complementary piece to Provorov, ala Niskanen. York is completely an unknown quantity as a pro, is rather likely to have some growing pains (as most young defensemen do) at the NHL level. Sanheim and Myers both have significant issues with inconsistency.

As for Eichel, if the Flyers are going to expend major resources on an outside acquisition, I'd rather it be for the top of the blueline.
- bmeltzer

Bill...can you compare Cam York to Adam Fox who burst upon the scene in New York last year and has played like an experienced pro?

Thanks to whoever posted the Bob McKenzie top prospects vid last night.

Very interesting that it sounds like any of the top five or six prospects could end up going first overall. Will be interesting to see if Chuck holds onto our 1st. I’m definitely leaning towards it being dealt right now however.
- hereticpride

It seems to me that this could be a draft where you hang on to picks. There is a greater than average chance a top player slips below the top spots.

Bill...can you compare Cam York to Adam Fox who burst upon the scene in New York last year and has played like an experienced pro?
- DANCER

Not Bill, but Fox is the more dangerous player, handles the puck more, better on the PP. He also spent more time in college than York did, so was more prepared to make the direct jump.

Don't wanna sell York short tho. There's not that big of a gap between the two. And York could be the more intelligent player.

Not Bill, but Fox is the more dangerous player, handles the puck more, better on the PP. He also spent more time in college than York did, so was more prepared to make the direct jump.

Don't wanna sell York short tho. There's not that big of a gap between the two. And York could be the more intelligent player.
- Tomahawk

I read somewhere (probably the Athletic) that York's stock dipped somewhat this past year compared to the year before. Any thoughts?

Provy always seems like he has a bad year when the D is, overall, terrible. I think he tries to do too much which leads to turnover and bad play from him.
- KGBflyers10

I think Provorov is so good, we only notice his mistakes.

I read somewhere (probably the Athletic) that York's stock dipped somewhat this past year compared to the year before. Any thoughts?
- PT21

First I've heard of it. He and his team had a pretty good year, all things considered.

I actually doubt you are capable of rational thought or even know what it means. But for the record:

1. No autopsy report said he died because of meth and fentanyl. The first one said the drugs might have caused him, along with his heart condition, to have a more deadly reaction from the asphyxiation. It would be quite the coincidence if the drugs in his system suddenly caused him to die right at the moment someone was kneeling on his neck.

2. The vast, vast, vast majority of such cases result in acquittal/non-prosecution. This includes Eric Garner, which was almost as high profile, and also accompanied by huge protests. There have been no instances, ever, of any judge, attorney, or juror being "hunted down and killed" in such cases. There is however a judge who had her son killed last year by a right wing nutjob.
- PT21

Thanks Miss Maddow for enlightening us on your liberal bull.

Yup. This is a rational reaction to today’s events.
- hereticpride

Just a commentary to the burn it down mentality of a verdict doesn’t go your way.
Yes, it’s hyperbole but I’m one to judge by facts not emotion and what the narrative that’s spun.

First I've heard of it. He and his team had a pretty good year, all things considered.
- Tomahawk

Well, apologies, I see that the article I referred to predated season.

https://theathletic.com/2...-post-2020-draft-edition/

33. Cam York, LHD, 19 (Philadelphia Flyers — 14th overall, 2019)
Previous ranking: No. 23

York didn’t have the kind of statistical post-draft season that some (myself included) expected, or at least believed he was capable of. And while I’m not sure anyone is higher on him now than they were a year ago, I wouldn’t say that I’m lower on him (which some are) than I was then. York’s one of the more calculating prospects in hockey, in that everything he does on the ice is done with efficiency in mind. He reads the play exceptionally well and makes his choices within that frame of mind, electing when to attack and when to make a simple little bump pass. Though he doesn’t have dynamic skating ability or the physical maturity that some teams covet in a top-four defenceman, he’s got all of the other offensive and defensive tools he needs to play quickly and smartly and to dictate on his own terms. He’s also got more offensive upside than we saw in his freshman year and I expect we’ll see that when (if) the Wolverines return for 2020-21 when he’s asked to play a more prominent role on a young, talented team.

It seems to me that this could be a draft where you hang on to picks. There is a greater than average chance a top player slips below the top spots.
- PT21

That’s true. There seem to be a few interesting highly rated D men. From what I took away from Bob’s scouting reports it doesn’t not sound like a particularly strong 1st round for Centers (and on top of that a few of the centers they were quick to note will likely have to transition to wing at the NHL level)

Button and McKenzie both mentioned a scout went as far to say Brandt Clarke has “genius level” hockey sense. And that’s the 4th highest rated D men they have. We could sure use some of that lol.

Pietrangelo got 8.8 and is a much better 2 way player, career +90. No way Jones, -20, gets 9.5 in a flat market. Not even close.
- Djapana

I’m not at all trying to pull anyone into my direction with my line of thinking. Jack Eichel is my 1A and Seth Jones is my 1B in terms of making a splash this summer but gun to my head, I would lean towards Eichel first without a doubt in my mind.

Think about this. This season when we’re defending well, we can’t score. Much like Sunday. When we can score, we can’t defend. In my opinion this isn’t just on the defense. This isn’t just Provorov, Gostisbehere, Sanheim and Myers. This is on the structure of this team, which funnel’s through out the entire team, including the coaching staff. I thought we were very good defensively last season and now we’re minus one player in Matt Niskanen, so what has really changed?

Getting right to my point. I’m a believer in Nolan Patrick. The future was very bright two years ago with the mindset that Patrick could take over the offense once Sean Couturier and Claude Giroux were unable to do so. Well Nolan Patrick is currently a miss and we have no back up plan for the next great one. So I’m trying to understand, why would we be so quick to pull the trigger on getting Seth Jones, if we already have Ivan Provorov, Travis Sanheim and Phil Myers?

If Jack Eichel is available. I don’t know how Fletcher isn’t interested.

That’s true. There seem to be a few interesting highly rated D men. From what I took away from Bob’s scouting reports it doesn’t not sound like a particularly strong 1st round for Centers (and on top of that a few of the centers they were quick to note will likely have to transition to wing at the NHL level)
- hereticpride

The Wings have 12 picks in the first 6 rounds. Which kinda makes sense in a draft like this.

Well, apologies, I see that the article I referred to predated season.

https://theathletic.com/2...-post-2020-draft-edition/

33. Cam York, LHD, 19 (Philadelphia Flyers — 14th overall, 2019)
Previous ranking: No. 23

York didn’t have the kind of statistical post-draft season that some (myself included) expected, or at least believed he was capable of. And while I’m not sure anyone is higher on him now than they were a year ago, I wouldn’t say that I’m lower on him (which some are) than I was then. York’s one of the more calculating prospects in hockey, in that everything he does on the ice is done with efficiency in mind. He reads the play exceptionally well and makes his choices within that frame of mind, electing when to attack and when to make a simple little bump pass. Though he doesn’t have dynamic skating ability or the physical maturity that some teams covet in a top-four defenceman, he’s got all of the other offensive and defensive tools he needs to play quickly and smartly and to dictate on his own terms. He’s also got more offensive upside than we saw in his freshman year and I expect we’ll see that when (if) the Wolverines return for 2020-21 when he’s asked to play a more prominent role on a young, talented team.
- PT21

He went from basically playing on an All-World team to a pretty meh Michigan squad, so not surprising his counting stats took a huge dive.

They got some more talent this season and York's numbers predictably shot back up. He's not a guy who's gonna lead a team offensively. He's more of a facilitator.

He went from basically playing on an All-World team to a pretty meh Michigan squad, so not surprising his counting stats took a huge dive.

They got some more talent this season and York's numbers predictably shot back up. He's not a guy who's gonna lead a team offensively. He's more of a facilitator.
- Tomahawk

So as a leftie, projected 2/3 he is essentially (at least at first) competing for Sanheim's spot. Doesn't that make Travis a bit more expendable as trade bait?

So as a leftie, projected 2/3 he is essentially (at least at first) competing for Sanheim's spot. Doesn't that make Travis a bit more expendable as trade bait?
- PT21

They're not really the same kind of dman, so no. And Sanheim has played well on the right side w/ Provy before. Actually no idea why AV hasn't gone to that more often post-Niskanen.

So I’m trying to understand, why would we be so quick to pull the trigger on getting Seth Jones, if we already have Ivan Provorov, Travis Sanheim and Phil Myers?

If Jack Eichel is available. I don’t know how Fletcher isn’t interested.
- SuperSchennBros

I will take a stab:

1. Provorov has individually struggled without an adequate top pairing in 2 of the last three seasons. Myers is a question mark at this stage
2. Our offense struggles, sure, but D has struggled more. We are middle of the pack in GF/G and 2nd last in GA/G.
3. The biggest difference between last year and this is the absence of Nisky.
4. We already have Couturier and Hayes and Patrick and Giroux and Laughton and Frost (presumaby). But we have much less options on a partner for Provy.

They're not really the same kind of dman, so no. And Sanheim has played well on the right side w/ Provy before. Actually no idea why AV hasn't gone to that more often post-Niskanen.
- Tomahawk

He has tried Ghost, Myers, Braun and Gus there for far longer than Travis. Sanheim seems to be pretty low on the options chart as a Provorov partner.

I will take a stab:

1. Provorov has individually struggled without an adequate top pairing in 2 of the last three seasons. Myers is a question mark at this stage
2. Our offense struggles, sure, but D has struggled more. We are middle of the pack in GF/G and 2nd last in GA/G.
3. The biggest difference between last year and this is the absence of Nisky.
4. We already have Couturier and Hayes and Patrick and Giroux and Laughton and Frost (presumaby). But we have much less options on a partner for Provy.
- PT21

I’m shocked.

So as a leftie, projected 2/3 he is essentially (at least at first) competing for Sanheim's spot. Doesn't that make Travis a bit more expendable as trade bait?
- PT21

I didn't see any of Fox's college games...but i saw plenty of Cam's junior tournament and Michigan games. He looked like the straw that stirred the drink offensively, and certainly was a force defensively. Personally, i don't believe you can have too many defensemen. This may sound counter to reason, but I'd prefer to trade Konecny and a 1 than Sanheim if that'd net veteran D help

He has tried Ghost, Myers, Braun and Gus there for far longer than Travis. Sanheim seems to be pretty low on the options chart as a Provorov partner.
- PT21

Dunno, maybe he's hell bent on spreading the 'wealth'.

IMO, make a functional top-pair w/ Provy/Sanheim and then patch the rest of the blueline together after that. Justin Braun playing 20+ minutes at age 34 is a (frank)ing joke.

Dunno, maybe he's hell bent on spreading the 'wealth'.

IMO, make a functional top-pair w/ Provy/Sanheim and then patch the rest of the blueline together after that. Justin Braun playing 20+ minutes at age 34 is a (frank)ing joke.
- Tomahawk

If there is no big fish to reel in, I would be happier with that than getting someone middle tier but on a long term deal.

How is Zamula looking in LHV?