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LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 6 @ 1:44 PM ET
Still heading to the Okanagan?
- Load Management

yep...looking at it.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 6 @ 1:45 PM ET
Seattle gets 1-5, they start at 3 and can more down 2 or up 2 from there. If we finish 29th we can go from 1-2 or 4-6 depending on ball drop.
- Retinalz


Either way I'm sure they'll pick ahead of VAN.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 6 @ 1:46 PM ET
This is not an exaggeration, 90% of the ladies I've listened to music with hate Rush and Neil Young. It's weird.
- Load Management

Rush for sure but I know a lot of cool chicks who love Neil Young. I've learned most of his songs on my acoustic here and it's a hit. Chicks dig the guitar man...
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 6 @ 1:49 PM ET
You can get a Franchise player at any point in the draft really. At 6OA the chances are still high to get one, esp this year with no clear-cut top 2 prospects. Power is really the only consensus and his ranking is general at 1 but has been seen as low as 3rd. Some good players will drop in to rounds 2 and 3 because teams don't have enough of a read on them. This is going to be the ultimate "Every pick is a lottery pick" draft.
- Retinalz

Shall see how she falls then. I think Jim should consider trading down. Isn't a huge gap between tiers.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 6 @ 1:52 PM ET
Shall see how she falls then. I think Jim should consider trading down. Isn't a huge gap between tiers.
- manvanfan


Would you be comfortable with the return?
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

May 6 @ 1:54 PM ET
Shall see how she falls then. I think Jim should consider trading down. Isn't a huge gap between tiers.
- manvanfan


I would think it would be such a bigger gamble trading down this year. Everyone's boards are going to be so different outside the top 5.. maybe the guy they'd target later will still be there, maybe some other team has him higher.

I'd say just hold steady and draft where they land, unless someone really overpays to jump up a few slots.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 6 @ 1:57 PM ET
I would think it would be such a bigger gamble trading down this year. Everyone's boards are going to be so different outside the top 5.. maybe the guy they'd target later will still be there, maybe some other team has him higher.

I'd say just hold steady and draft where they land, unless someone really overpays to jump up a few slots.

- NewYorkNuck



Give JB have the best chance at success, he's not a gunslinger GM.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

May 6 @ 2:01 PM ET
I would think it would be such a bigger gamble trading down this year. Everyone's boards are going to be so different outside the top 5.. maybe the guy they'd target later will still be there, maybe some other team has him higher.

I'd say just hold steady and draft where they land, unless someone really overpays to jump up a few slots.

- NewYorkNuck



I don't like the idea of moving down this year, trust your scouts and pick who you think is BPA at your spot.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

May 6 @ 2:10 PM ET


I don't like the idea of moving down this year, trust your scouts and pick who you think is BPA at your spot.

- NorthNuck


Would be even better if the scouts ran the draft and JB was looking in the classifieds
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 6 @ 2:17 PM ET
I would think it would be such a bigger gamble trading down this year. Everyone's boards are going to be so different outside the top 5.. maybe the guy they'd target later will still be there, maybe some other team has him higher.

I'd say just hold steady and draft where they land, unless someone really overpays to jump up a few slots.

- NewYorkNuck

Everybody's boards are very different usually.

You target whoever is there. If they think they could get a player of similiar calibre later on to pick up another asset. Why not.

Benning has Boeser at 12th and got him at 23.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 6 @ 2:17 PM ET
Shall see how she falls then. I think Jim should consider trading down. Isn't a huge gap between tiers.
- manvanfan

Need a real good RHD dman to take the second pairing. Fill the needs.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 6 @ 2:18 PM ET
Everybody's boards are very different usually.

You target whoever is there. If they think they could get a player of similiar calibre later on to pick up another asset. Why not.

Benning has Boeser at 12th and got him at 23.

- manvanfan



Pretty sure we will be picking fairly high this year.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 6 @ 2:18 PM ET


I don't like the idea of moving down this year, trust your scouts and pick who you think is BPA at your spot.

- NorthNuck

Most of these kids played 20 games. If you get it wrong, you had one shot.

You trade down, you get two shots.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 6 @ 2:19 PM ET

Vancouver #Canucks
@Canucks
· 10m
Same lineup tonight as last game, per Coach Green.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 6 @ 2:20 PM ET
Most of these kids played 20 games. If you get it wrong, you had one shot.

You trade down, you get two shots.

- manvanfan


Would you trade down from the top 5?
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

May 6 @ 2:21 PM ET
Most of these kids played 20 games. If you get it wrong, you had one shot.

You trade down, you get two shots.

- manvanfan


Hopefully they weren't just scouting them just based on this year! As well, the chances of getting it wrong get higher the further back you move in the draft. Not trading down (especially if they're drafting top 6) gives you better odds of getting it right.

I'd be fine if they traded back a bit in the second or third rounds. Just not their first rounder.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 6 @ 2:21 PM ET
Need a real good RHD dman to take the second pairing. Fill the needs.
- LordHumungous

Probably only 2 going in the first round this year. They need speed up front and scoring help. I don't think another Hughes helps that.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 6 @ 2:24 PM ET
Probably only 2 going in the first round this year. They need speed up front and scoring help. I don't think another Hughes helps that.
- manvanfan



BPA
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 6 @ 2:25 PM ET
Hopefully they weren't just scouting them just based on this year! As well, the chances of getting it wrong get higher the further back you move in the draft. Not trading down (especially if they're drafting top 6) gives you better odds of getting it right.

I'd be fine if they traded back a bit in the second or third rounds. Just not their first rounder.

- NewYorkNuck

I would do it differently but will see how the draft falls on the day.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 6 @ 2:26 PM ET
Canucks arriving in the wasteland for todays game.

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 6 @ 2:27 PM ET
Probably only 2 going in the first round this year. They need speed up front and scoring help. I don't think another Hughes helps that.
- manvanfan

Not another Hughes a solid RHD dman that can take control of the second pairing and chip in on the PP. Plus a 3LC should be a priority. Bowser-Horvat-Hogs-Petey-Miller-Pods (maybe) is an excellent top 6. round it out from there.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

May 6 @ 2:36 PM ET
Shall see how she falls then. I think Jim should consider trading down. Isn't a huge gap between tiers.
- manvanfan

Trading down in the top 10 is something teams just never think to do. BPA is simply that, BPA and the kid you have ranked at 5OA is tanked as such because you feel he will be better than a kid you have ranked 9OA and then w/e 2nd or 3rd round pick you get for moving down.
Sometimes BPA at your current position will also meet a team biggest need(ours being Defense) so moving down either changes your BPA to a Forward which is needed, but not as much, or you risk that other defender you had ranked highly and would fall to be snatched beforehand.

Just look at NYR, they moved up from 22 to 7 in order to try and get EP and we took him at 5. how did that 7OA turn out for them?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 6 @ 2:42 PM ET
Would you trade down from the top 5?
- VanHockeyGuy

There are 5 players that I think will look really good. Maybe 6. I just think at 6. Trading down nets you two good pieces instead one a little bit better.

Say a #2 defender or 70-80 ppg forward vs picking up two 45-50 point forwards or a 55 forward and #3 defender.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 6 @ 2:50 PM ET
Trading down in the top 10 is something teams just never think to do. BPA is simply that, BPA and the kid you have ranked at 5OA is tanked as such because you feel he will be better than a kid you have ranked 9OA and then w/e 2nd or 3rd round pick you get for moving down.
Sometimes BPA at your current position will also meet a team biggest need(ours being Defense) so moving down either changes your BPA to a Forward which is needed, but not as much, or you risk that other defender you had ranked highly and would fall to be snatched beforehand.

Just look at NYR, they moved up from 22 to 7 in order to try and get EP and we took him at 5. how did that 7OA turn out for them?

- Retinalz

Jim was ready to trade down to get him. Nashville was trying to grab a top 3 pick for him.

The team has many needs. I believe in BPA to a point. You can't be the oilers and draft soft scoring forwards or like the Canucks ignoring RHD the entire time. If one isn't there why would you reach.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 6 @ 2:54 PM ET
Vancouver #Canucks
@Canucks
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Same lineup tonight as last game, per Coach Green.

- VanHockeyGuy

Super exciting.
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