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gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
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May 9 @ 6:14 PM ET
^this^
- Michael Pachla


He wouldn't be good with the young ones
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

May 9 @ 6:15 PM ET
Bingo 24. It's GM K's aggressive contract negotiations that causes issues. Most players/former players love Torts.
- IonSabres

if you didn't follow them a bit, you wouldn't know this
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

May 9 @ 6:15 PM ET
He wouldn't be good with the young ones
- gerbe75pts

why not?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 9 @ 6:17 PM ET
ted nolan
disco dan
thrill housely
r lph
donnie g.

maybe he's the right guy at the right time to right the ship

- Michael Pachla


Donnie is the best coach they've had in 10 years. If they're going to throw that away to hire a vet, I really hope they pick another guy who will prioritize offense. Bruce I get
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

May 9 @ 6:17 PM ET
idk...brad richards signed in ny when he was there
- Michael Pachla

Because it was the New York hockey Rangers, Michael.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

May 9 @ 6:19 PM ET
He wouldn't be good with the young ones
- gerbe75pts



I think that's a myth. Because he's tough.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

May 9 @ 6:22 PM ET
Because it was the New York hockey Rangers, Michael.
- BeadyEyedDouche


Torts.

Torts!

Torts!!

TORTS!

TORTS!!

TORTS!!!
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

May 9 @ 6:26 PM ET
Donnie is the best coach they've had in 10 years. If they're going to throw that away to hire a vet, I really hope they pick another guy who will prioritize offense. Bruce I get
- jcragcrumple

jackets were 16th in the league in goals for/gm (2.84) during torts tenure...this despite not having a superstar forward other than panarin...cam atkinson was their leading scorer during that time with 290 points (0.71/gm.)...was it torts fault he wasn't given the offensive talent?
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

May 9 @ 6:29 PM ET
How many playoff series did Columbus win before he got there?
- sbroads24

While this is true, their drafting and developing has been very good for the past decade and they have made some very good trades.

There is an alarming trend, however, of players wanting out. Nash, RyJo, Panarin, Bob, PLD...

I can tell you, there are much worse places to be than Columbus, but it is very low-key and under-the-radar... Is it how the team is run? Facilities?

The fan base is already one of the most loyal in the NHL. They love the Blue Jackets out here. I have not been to a game since moving here, Pandemic and everything... But everyone tells me the atmosphere at the arena is excellent and it has always looked like it. They were as loud as any during playoff home games on television, too...

And they were becoming a solid team until this season. Even after they lost Panarin and Bobrovsky, they managed to make the playoffs. They made enough trades and roster changes to be competitive in a shortened season but fell off a cliff and played their hand when they traded Savard and their Captian, Foligno, both for 1st round picks.

They just announced Torts is not returning, so, do they do a full rebuild or trade some of their draft capital to bring in some more skill?
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
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May 9 @ 6:30 PM ET
why not?
- Michael Pachla

Every one i talked to fans On different message boards he doesn't trust young players and if he does He gives them the tough love approach..

That might not be good here imo
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

May 9 @ 6:30 PM ET
Torts.

Torts!

Torts!!

TORTS!

TORTS!!

TORTS!!!

- Michael Pachla

If the Sabres bring him in I am completely done with them.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 9 @ 6:30 PM ET
jackets were 16th in the league in goals for/gm (2.84) during torts tenure...this despite not having a superstar forward other than panarin...cam atkinson was their leading scorer during that time with 290 points (0.71/gm.)...was it torts fault he wasn't given the offensive talent?
- Michael Pachla


Who left at the earliest opportunity.

16th in the league in offense and 16 teams make the playoffs

Not the right fit
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

May 9 @ 6:33 PM ET
Swap Skinner for Reinhart and I think this is actually a really good deal for both sides. Then send Skinner and Ristolainen out West to LA or San Jose, anywhere.
- BeadyEyedDouche



I had skinner going to NYR because it’s prob only 1 of a handful of teams he would waive to. Skinner isn’t waiving out west. Besides the overpayment Botts gave him, he signed here due to the proximity of his home.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
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May 9 @ 6:34 PM ET
I had skinner going to NYR because it’s prob only 1 of a handful of teams he would waive to. Skinner isn’t waiving out west. Besides the overpayment Botts gave him, he signed here due to the proximity of his home.
- Fattony1187

True, he supposedly said he would waive to go to NYR or Toronto only but I don't see NYR being interested in that contract.

We would have to retain.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
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May 9 @ 6:35 PM ET
Every one i talked to fans On different message boards he doesn't trust young players and if he does He gives them the tough love approach..

That might not be good here imo

- gerbe75pts

fans?

message boards?

ummmmm...the internet?
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
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May 9 @ 6:35 PM ET
True, he supposedly said he would waive to go to NYR or Toronto only but I don't see NYR being interested in that contract.

We would have to retain.

- BeadyEyedDouche


We would have to take Jacob trouba
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
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May 9 @ 6:38 PM ET
We would have to take Jacob trouba
- gerbe75pts

Then they're also taking Ristolainen and they'd need to add another early round draft pick.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
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May 9 @ 6:38 PM ET
Who left at the earliest opportunity.

16th in the league in offense and 16 teams make the playoffs

Not the right fit

- jcragcrumple

you kinda missed the point...torts gets the most out of what he has to work with...look at the lineups: talent in tbl...won a cup...modest talent in ny with future hall of fame goalie in net, ecf...modest talent in cbj, playoffs and playoffs surprises
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 9 @ 6:41 PM ET
Who left at the earliest opportunity.

16th in the league in offense and 16 teams make the playoffs

Not the right fit

- jcragcrumple

You’re really twisting this to fit your narrative

It was known Panarin was New York or Florida bound for almost two years

There’s absolutely no documented rift with him or Torts that I can find. And by all accounts they actually had a good relationship
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WE'RE PRACTICING THE POWER PLAY!, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

May 9 @ 6:43 PM ET
You’re really twisting this to fit your narrative

It was known Panarin was New York or Florida bound for almost two years

There’s absolutely no documented rift with him or Torts that I can find. And by all accounts they actually had a good relationship

- sbroads24

So who do u want to be coach?
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 9 @ 6:43 PM ET
So who do u want to be coach?
- Hatboro_Swords

Granato, Torts or Bruce
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 9 @ 6:44 PM ET
you kinda missed the point...torts gets the most out of what he has to work with...look at the lineups: talent in tbl...won a cup...modest talent in ny with future hall of fame goalie in net, ecf...modest talent in cbj, playoffs and playoffs surprises
- Michael Pachla


It seems like he works with less than others because offensive talent has no interest in sticking around for Torts. The Larrys love him
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

May 9 @ 6:48 PM ET
Donnie is the best coach they've had in 10 years. If they're going to throw that away to hire a vet, I really hope they pick another guy who will prioritize offense. Bruce I get
- jcragcrumple


Really hard to argue that he's the best. 10 years includes Lindy.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

May 9 @ 6:50 PM ET
But it seems like he works with less than others because offensive talent has no interest in sticking around for Torts. The Larrys love him
- jcragcrumple


this is not true outside of internet message boards...looks like you're equating him too much with teddy...he's coached top-end talent throughout his career and has been successful with them...not only that, your lecavaliers, st. louis, richards and panarins had numbers under torts that were slightly ahead of their career numbers...you said they'd turn dahlin into matt irwin when jones and werenski occupy 2nd and third spots in columbus over the past six seasons...

and forget panarin...he wasn't sticking no matter what...it was well known he was looking for the bright lights...bob was after big bucks that cbj most definitely wasn't offering
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 9 @ 6:53 PM ET
It seems like he works with less than others because offensive talent has no interest in sticking around for Torts. The Larrys love him
- jcragcrumple

You’re inventing this out of thin air
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