Did I say people said be bad, but usually to get that generalational talent you have to be bad. And why will we be bad if we lose Jack, this team proved it can play hockey and win without him, would he help sure, he's a great hockey player, but if Adams and Karmanos add the right pieces this team can win without Jack.
- Buff36

i don't think they've proved that at all.

See:
Maple Leafs Toronto
Avalanch Coloado
Senators Ottawa
Penguins Pittsburgh
Kings Los Angeles
Blackhawks Chicago



All teams who tanked and went on to be good.
- ImThatGuy

exception to every rule

we are the exception

I blame ownership ..... Eichel last year was producing at a 1.2 points per game pace.

How can you blame him for last years losing season?
- Sabretooth9

I'm not blaming him individually. I'm blaming the culture of losing.

https://twitter.com/BrassMaster418/status/1390803038508625925?s=19


- kingcong39

There will be better players on the board then morrow you can go nikita, tuomaala , stankoven , cossa ..

Hopefully we draft Dach i have a feeling Chicago will draft him before us

There will be better players on the board then morrow you can go nikita, tuomaala , stankoven , cossa ..

Hopefully we draft Dach i have a feeling Chicago will draft him before us
- gerbe75pts

I believe he thinks Stankoven and Cossa will be taken before the Sabres pick at 32.

i don't think they've proved that at all.
- Michael Pachla

They're icing a very young team. The cap hit for the team they're going to put out on the ice today is around $36 million. They are competing. Besides Thursday night, they're never getting blown out. They are making mistakes, but young players do. They also don't have anywhere near an NHL goalie. Some players are showing they're ready, others are showing they need another year in the AHL. This season might have been the best thing to happen for Adams, from an evaluation standpoint. But I think they've shown they have compete, and can hang in there, while missing very, very key pieces.

See:
Maple Leafs Toronto
Avalanch Coloado
Senators Ottawa
Penguins Pittsburgh
Kings Los Angeles
Blackhawks Chicago



All teams who tanked and went on to be good.
- ImThatGuy

Pittsburgh is the only team that tanked outright. And just because it worked for them...well...look at the Sabres record

He totally ignores any that aspect of it, as if losing on purpose happens in a vacuum with no stank left behind on the organization or the players who get used to/accept losing.
- Ratsreign

Thank you for getting it

I'm not blaming him individually. I'm blaming the culture of losing.
- Michael Pachla

Talent = culture
culture = talent

They're icing a very young team. The cap hit for the team they're going to put out on the ice today is around $36 million. They are competing. Besides Thursday night, they're never getting blown out. They are making mistakes, but young players do. They also don't have anywhere near an NHL goalie. Some players are showing they're ready, others are showing they need another year in the AHL. This season might have been the best thing to happen for Adams, from an evaluation standpoint. But I think they've shown they have compete, and can hang in there, while missing very, very key pieces.
- Powerslave

They're 1-6-1 vs. Boston, a divisional foe. They have not proved anything. But I get your point about compete, youth and missing pieces.

Pittsburgh is the only team that tanked outright. And just because it worked for them...well...look at the Sabres record
- Michael Pachla

See

Washington Capitals.
Colts Indianapolis
Miami Dolphins
Cleveland Browns
Houston Astros
Cleveland Indians

I can continue to find teams that decided being bad now was great for the future and it worked.

Buffalo is extremly inept and continued to hire the wrong people and have awful owners.

Tanking and Rebuilding are the same damn thing, one just sounds better.

Talent = culture
culture = talent
- ImThatGuy

Disagree.

i don't think they've proved that at all.
- Michael Pachla

Everyone has there opinions, but playing almost 500 hockey since March says they can win, is it perfect No.

There will be better players on the board then morrow you can go nikita, tuomaala , stankoven , cossa ..

Hopefully we draft Dach i have a feeling Chicago will draft him before us
- gerbe75pts

Round 2, Our pick: Simon Robertsson/Isak Rosen/Oskar Olausson/Logan Stankoven/Scott Morrow/Mackie Samoskevich

Round 2, Boston pick: Ayrton Martino/Dylan Duke/Ville Koivunen/Brent Johnson/Sean Tschigerl

Round 3, Higher pick: Arytom Grushnikov/Jack Peart/Tyler Boucher/Shai Buium

Round 3, Lower pick: Jake Martin/Lorenzo Canonica/Jack Bar/Tristan Broz

Round 4: Kirill Gerasimyuk/Elias Stenman/Sean Behrens/Kalle Ervasti

Round 5: Ethan Cardwell*/Jackson Blake/Liam Gilmartin

Round 6: Pavel Tyutnev*/Marcus Almquist/Jeremy Wilmer

Round 7: Aleksi Heimosalmi/Quinn Hutson*/Kyle Kukkonen/Charles-Alexis Legault

See

Washington Capitals.
Colts Indianapolis
Miami Dolphins
Cleveland Browns
Houston Astros
Cleveland Indians

I can continue to find teams that decided being bad now was great for the future and it worked.

Buffalo is extremly inept and continued to hire the wrong people and have awful owners.

Tanking and Rebuilding are the same damn thing, one just sounds better.
- ImThatGuy

Disagree. Look at the Sabres record. Odds are after next season they'll have set the record for missing the playoffs.

I believe he thinks Stankoven and Cossa will be taken before the Sabres pick at 32.
- kingcong39

Could be right but Some really good players are gonna fall to us I feel and hopefully we dont Reach for a defencemen like we did with Ryan Johnson

Disagree.
- Michael Pachla

Find a team that won despite having awful talent and great culture.

Find a team that lost despite having amazing talent but awful culture.


They don't exist.

He totally ignores any that aspect of it, as if losing on purpose happens in a vacuum with no stank left behind on the organization or the players who get used to/accept losing.
- Ratsreign

It's perplexing how the team has continued to wallow in stink.
It has been a culture of losing no doubt.

That said, I do believe you can't ignore just how putrid Ownership and Management has been over that period of time.
-signing Skinner to that god-awful deal, then fvcking with him to try to remake a 10 year Vet into a defensive forward
-not securing a 2C for 2 years before trying to land a 1 year fill-in with Staal
-refusing to address Goaltending
-refusing to address the logjam of 6+ RhD's while having no RW talent after Rhino...all the while still not having a true 1RhD.
.
.
.
The list of management screw-ups fueld by Ownership that refuses to stick with a plan for more than 2 years before changing course again.

Losing culture, absolutely...let's not sugar coat those who have been selected to affect change.

Find a team that won despite having awful talent and great culture.

Find a team that lost despite having amazing talent but awful culture.


They don't exist.
- ImThatGuy

Tanking is Saviour-dominant. Tanking is for losers.

That's the last I'll say on the subject.

See

Washington Capitals.
Colts Indianapolis
Miami Dolphins
Cleveland Browns
Houston Astros
Cleveland Indians

I can continue to find teams that decided being bad now was great for the future and it worked.

Buffalo is extremly inept and continued to hire the wrong people and have awful owners.

Tanking and Rebuilding are the same damn thing, one just sounds better.
- ImThatGuy

indians last won in 1948
dolphins last won in 1973
astros had to cheat to get one
cleveland never won the super bowl


just preparing you for flaco

Round 2, Our pick: Simon Robertsson/Isak Rosen/Oskar Olausson/Logan Stankoven/Scott Morrow/Mackie Samoskevich

Round 2, Boston pick: Ayrton Martino/Dylan Duke/Ville Koivunen/Brent Johnson/Sean Tschigerl

Round 3, Higher pick: Arytom Grushnikov/Jack Peart/Tyler Boucher/Shai Buium

Round 3, Lower pick: Jake Martin/Lorenzo Canonica/Jack Bar/Tristan Broz

Round 4: Kirill Gerasimyuk/Elias Stenman/Sean Behrens/Kalle Ervasti

Round 5: Ethan Cardwell*/Jackson Blake/Liam Gilmartin

Round 6: Pavel Tyutnev*/Marcus Almquist/Jeremy Wilmer

Round 7: Aleksi Heimosalmi/Quinn Hutson*/Kyle Kukkonen/Charles-Alexis Legault
- kingcong39

Huge steal if he makes it out of the first 1st round his speed is Connor mcdavid lots of European fans say he is like ehlers

Tanking is Saviour-dominant. Tanking is for losers.

That's the last I'll say on the subject.
- Michael Pachla

what if you tank for a decade and still lose?

Tanking is Saviour-dominant. Tanking is for losers.

That's the last I'll say on the subject.
- Michael Pachla

What happens if you're just bad ? for example let's say if Jack and Sam leave That's not considered tanking just means you don't have enough talent

It's perplexing how the team has continued to wallow in stink.
It has been a culture of losing no doubt.

That said, I do believe you can't ignore just how putrid Ownership and Management has been over that period of time.
-signing Skinner to that god-awful deal, then fvcking with him to try to remake a 10 year Vet into a defensive forward
-not securing a 2C for 2 years before trying to land a 1 year fill-in with Staal
-refusing to address Goaltending
-refusing to address the logjam of 6+ RhD's while having no RW talent after Rhino...all the while still not having a true 1RhD.
.
.
.
The list of management screw-ups fueld by Ownership that refuses to stick with a plan for more than 2 years before changing course again.

Losing culture, absolutely...let's not sugar coat those who have been selected to effect change.
- IonSabres

last 10 seasons

31st
25th
27th
31st
26th
23rd
30th
30th
23rd
19th


this team tanked for eichel and the best they got was 23rd in the nhl

and we thought the bankrupt year was bad

They're 1-6-1 vs. Boston, a divisional foe. They have not proved anything. But I get your point about compete, youth and missing pieces.
- Michael Pachla

You're right. They just get outclassed by Boston constantly. Lot of skilled, savvy vets on that team.