Was this written by bizzaro world Garth?
- westcoastleaf

The premise might be a little silly but give the man a little credit here. Content, spelling and grammar are all at an acceptable high school level or better. Jeepers.

He has more value as early Seth Jones.
- TheSabresTaco

Seth Jones is probably top 5 defensemen in the league under 30, if not top 3. Don't let his terrible team fool you. Put Jones on a team with a decent core and its a toss up who is better between him and Hedman.

Seth Jones is probably top 5 defensemen in the league under 30, if not top 3. Don't let his terrible team fool you. Put Jones on a team with a decent core and its a toss up who is better between him and Hedman.
- Glak18

Bold statement. I've always liked Seth Jones, thought highly of him, but I think it's rather odd that an organization that is so apt in developing defensemen gave up on him so early for a top 6 center, then years later, a blogger, or bloggers, are ready to package him for an elite center. I honestly don't know enough about Jones to say he's a top 5 or 3 under 30. If he's this good, why are we trying to trade him? For a second time?

Why not use Werenski and a few stronger assets?

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Thomas Townsend: Eichel to Columbus? I've heard crazier things...I guess
- Thomas Townsend

hey Thomas long time no read


that being said, this could happen if a strong hockey like John Davidson is back in the fold. At the risk of having Jeff Carter repeat...

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- gerbe75pts

The conversation is more noteworthy than the offer. I find it interesting to see outside opinions.. even though they may become a bit.. tiresome when it comes to Jack.

Can I interest you folks in a Rasmus of the Ristolainen variety?

This is bad, man. Not Garf bad, but close

I don’t disagree with trading Eichel. BUF is an embarrassment, and they’ve already run out of coaches and GMs to fire.

But did you need to include Dahlin?? Why on earth would BUF do that?

Eichel for Jones + Texier actually isn’t terrible. BUF should probably agree to that

Someone please tell me why we would want Eichel after having serious surgery (as I understand/read about it), and him being part of an absolute disaster in Buffalo for years. IMO he is damaged goods at this point, and it's no fault of his own. I am more than willing to be told why I am wrong about this.

Exactly! If Eichel is healthy, the trade should be just him. Dahlin is nearly untouchable! But Buffalo is wanting a good young center back for Jack. Would this change if Seth Jones is the get for Jack? Maybe, but then Buffalo would want to make room for Jones by including a RD in the Eichel trade, no? But let's play along....
Eichel, Risto for Jones, Domi, Elvis and Toronto's 1st and a 3rd

Bold statement. I've always liked Seth Jones, thought highly of him, but I think it's rather odd that an organization that is so apt in developing defensemen gave up on him so early for a top 6 center, then years later, a blogger, or bloggers, are ready to package him for an elite center. I honestly don't know enough about Jones to say he's a top 5 or 3 under 30. If he's this good, why are we trying to trade him? For a second time?

Why not use Werenski and a few stronger assets?
- TheSabresTaco

The reason is easy, Columbus sucks and Jones has 1 year left before becoming a UFA. You get more if you trade a player with term and Columbus is realizing that Jones is not going to re-sign.

Seth Jones is probably top 5 defensemen in the league under 30, if not top 3. Don't let his terrible team fool you. Put Jones on a team with a decent core and its a toss up who is better between him and Hedman.
- Glak18

Seth Jones may not be so elite. That and he seems to like Torts a bunch and may not re-sign for another coach....Read this:
https://jfresh.substack.c...seth-jones-actually-elite

Exactly! If Eichel is healthy, the trade should be just him. Dahlin is nearly untouchable! But Buffalo is wanting a good young center back for Jack. Would this change if Seth Jones is the get for Jack? Maybe, but then Buffalo would want to make room for Jones by including a RD in the Eichel trade, no? But let's play along....
Eichel, Risto for Jones, Domi, Elvis and Toronto's 1st and a 3rd
- HenryHockey

Swap Domi for Bjorkstand and I think we could talk. Problem for anyone dealing for Eichel is that the Sabres have no interest in giving up an irreplaceable asset. Which tells me that any acceptable offer would be something that the other team simply would hate.

The reason is easy, Columbus sucks and Jones has 1 year left before becoming a UFA. You get more if you trade a player with term and Columbus is realizing that Jones is not going to re-sign.
- Glak18

So that right there depreciates his value even more. In a blockbuster like this, he'd have to agree to a team friendly extension to ensure that his overall value is commensurate with losing Eichel.

Swap Domi for Bjorkstand and I think we could talk. Problem for anyone dealing for Eichel is that the Sabres have no interest in giving up an irreplaceable asset. Which tells me that any acceptable offer would be something that the other team simply would hate.
- TheSabresTaco

Well that would be cool, but I was going on the premise that Buffalo would want an NHL center in their get. Domi is serviceable middle 6 center.

Well that would be cool, but I was going on the premise that Buffalo would want an NHL center in their get. Domi is serviceable middle 6 center.
- HenryHockey

I think they'd just jam Cozens in there. Domi's a bad throw in. Would rather have a termed, productive asset even if he's not a C.

The trade seems forced, regardless. I think the Rags or the Kings could give the Sabres what they'd be looking for, and have the space to do it.

Seth Jones is probably top 5 defensemen in the league under 30, if not top 3. Don't let his terrible team fool you. Put Jones on a team with a decent core and its a toss up who is better between him and Hedman.
- Glak18

Defensively they are comparable. Hedman is far superior overall with his offensive contributions.

Eichel

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Texier, Foudy, Jenner, 2021 1st and 2022 1st


And even then, Texier and Foudy looked like doody this season and Jenner has regressed every year since his breakout season. You would have to add more still.

Yes way to much. It would be for Eich, not Dahlin. And I am not making that trade. Still not enough for Buffalo. Plus. I ain't send Jack to Columbus. That would just be cruel.

I think they'd just jam Cozens in there. Domi's a bad throw in. Would rather have a termed, productive asset even if he's not a C.

The trade seems forced, regardless. I think the Rags or the Kings could give the Sabres what they'd be looking for, and have the space to do it.
- TheSabresTaco

Bingo! The Kings would be a better trade partner and have promising center(s) coming back. But this discussion was about CBJ and Sabers....
NYR would be good too, but an inter-state rival.

The trade is not good for Buffalo. However, if you are talking just Eichel, Seth Jones would be a great piece for Buffalo to get back, and I don't think Jackets have to add much to it. This is of course assuming they have an agreement on an extension, otherwise the trade makes no sense. He is a # 1 defensemen on close too as many teams as Eichel is a # 1 center.

Using that he got traded for Johansen to discredit him, is looking at the trade in hindsight. At the time of the trade, Johansen's pervious season, aged 22, he finished 9th in points and 14th in Points per page among centers, and was improving every season. For comparisons, Eichel at age 22 finished 13th in total points, and 11th in points per game among centers. Johansen was highly regarded at the time of the trade. His two way games I would says was better then Eichels, while obviously Eichels offensive potential is much higher then what Johansen had. However, Johansen had zero injury issues, when compared to what Eichel has now.

You are either retarded or on drugs. And I don’t mean that to be negative. Eichel and dahlin for that crap package. Like I said either retarded or on drugs

The trade is not good for Buffalo. However, if you are talking just Eichel, Seth Jones would be a great piece for Buffalo to get back, and I don't think Jackets have to add much to it. This is of course assuming they have an agreement on an extension, otherwise the trade makes no sense. He is a # 1 defensemen on close too as many teams as Eichel is a # 1 center.

Using that he got traded for Johansen to discredit him, is looking at the trade in hindsight. At the time of the trade, Johansen's pervious season, aged 22, he finished 9th in points and 14th in Points per page among centers, and was improving every season. For comparisons, Eichel at age 22 finished 13th in total points, and 11th in points per game among centers. Johansen was highly regarded at the time of the trade. His two way games I would says was better then Eichels, while obviously Eichels offensive potential is much higher then what Johansen had. However, Johansen had zero injury issues, when compared to what Eichel has now.
- r8edr

This is a serious question to the bold above: Are you high

Seth Jones will be a 28 year old UFA after next season while Eichel has many more years left on his deal.

Columbus not needing to add much? Get outta here with that nonsense.

I won't even get into attempting to equate Ryan J. and Eichel in terms of ability and on ice impact because that ain't a horse race at all.

the return you have is probably what Buffalo would get for Eichel. Dahlin is not a throw in player... you would have to add the two other 2021 first round picks to even that out.

Detroit? 2021 1st, Seider, Hronek, maybe more. I can tell you that the org would need to be blown out of the water to consider dealing him. And the above is a start.
- TheSabresTaco

The original trade is ludicrous...Eichel and Dahlin ? That is a dangerous proposal - Adams might laugh so hard at it that he could fall out of his chair and hurt himself.

But so is the proposal for Detroit. Buffalo should not be shopping Dahlin - I wouldn't if I were Adams. Dahlin should be untouchable....but so is Seider. I'm not sure I would trade him even up for Dahlin. Dahlin has a couple of years on Seider, but Seider is bigger, and probably has more up side as a defender than Dahlin. Your proposal carries the same danger for Yzerman as the original Buffalo/CBJ trade does for Adams.

This is a serious question to the bold above: Are you high

Seth Jones will be a 28 year old UFA after next season while Eichel has many more years left on his deal.

Columbus not needing to add much? Get outta here with that nonsense.

I won't even get into attempting to equate Ryan J. and Eichel in terms of ability and on ice impact because that ain't a horse race at all.
- kingcong39

Seth Jones is only 2 years older, and I specifically said that an extension would need to be worked out before a trade. So don't just cherry pick the line you don't like. Eichel is signed longer, but only if no extension is worked out, which I specifically said would need to happen.

I never said Ryan was better then Jack or close to Jack. I just provided facts. At age 22 RJ finished 9th and 14 in P and PPG among centers. At the same age Eichel finished 13th and 11th. Those are facts, whether you like them or not. It was my opinion the RJ was better defensively at 22 then Eichel. That's my opinion. You can disagree with that if you like. I also wrote that Eichel offensive potential at 22 was a lot higher the RJ. That is also my opinion, I don't think many if anyone will disagree with that. The point was that Jones was traded for a 22 year old center, who was viewed by many as one that could grow into a top 10 center with a decent to good defensive game. He wasn't traded for the player RJ turned into.