Patrick does not skate well enough to make Disney on Ice! 51 games, 9 points, MINUS 29!!! Anyone want to see him back next year?
- jd250

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Despite the foul year there is some drama to be played out. We all know about mcdavids 100 points in 54. But can Patrick hit 10 points in 54 games?? He has one more game to go and everyone should tune in.
- Just5

Let’s see what would you bet on NoPa gets to 10 points or -30 in plus / minus?

Regarding Hayes, I blame coaching for playing him in OT. What are they watching?! Hayes is not 25 or under, and has 504 regular season NHL games...More experience is not helpful. I have no idea if his injuries are making things worse this season. If so, it is even more on the coaching for his usage.
- NC Flyers Fan

That cryptic comment of was it TK: about some players on our team suffering more than others recovering from Covid...could Hayes be one of them?

To be honest, Lindblom hasn’t been much better, but the COACH has been much more protective of him than Patrick.
- Dkos

Lindblom has been way better than Patrick this season. He still isn't nearly back to where he has before the cancer ordeal but he at least has looked to be getting back on track. With a good offseason, it's not hard to see him having a solid 2021-22 season.

As for AV being protective, both players were defended and both were scratched a few times. BTW, of the two,, which one got regular PP time most of the season (hint: it wasn't Lindblom)?

That cryptic comment of was it TK: about some players on our team suffering more than others recovering from Covid...could Hayes be one of them?
- PT21

Hayes was never out on the Covid protocol list. That doesn’t mean he was for sure not affected. He could have had it before the season started, for example.

Bill, I'd be interested in your measured approach to Patricks dud of a season. We all can see his poor stats and uninspired play. It probably is going to end with "he needed a fresh start" when traded for an overall number two pick. The question is why? He came in with so much promise.
- DANCER

I am not Bill but I will make a tangential conjecture. The continued usage of NP in spite of poor play seems to me to indicate that the management knows more about the issue than we do, and that they are trying to get him to play out of something, like an inhibition. All of which suggests to me they are taking the long view with him and he will be back.

Hayes was never out on the Covid protocol list. That doesn’t mean he was for sure not affected. He could have had it before the season started, for example.
- NC Flyers Fan

I see. Well, there likely goes that excuse then.

I am not Bill but I will make a tangential conjecture. The continued usage of NP in spite of poor play seems to me to indicate that the management knows more about the issue than we do, and that they are trying to get him to play out of something, like an inhibition. All of which suggests to me they are taking the long view with him and he will be back.
- PT21

I think I agree with you. Almost as if it were some sort of PTSD that they feel he needs to just work his way out of. A good normal offseason leading in to a normal season may do him wonders. The team will qualify him, protect him, and then sign him to a one year deal. Next season is pretty much his career IMO. You cant cut him off after this season no matter how many of the fans irrationally hate him.

I think I agree with you. Almost as if it were some sort of PTSD that they feel he needs to just work his way out of. A good normal offseason leading in to a normal season may do him wonders. The team will qualify him, protect him, and then sign him to a one year deal. Next season is pretty much his career IMO. You cant cut him off after this season no matter how many of the fans irrationally hate him.
- MBFlyerfan

I am not Bill but I will make a tangential conjecture. The continued usage of NP in spite of poor play seems to me to indicate that the management knows more about the issue than we do, and that they are trying to get him to play out of something, like an inhibition. All of which suggests to me they are taking the long view with him and he will be back.
- PT21

I don’t think these points of view are outages. Whether it be migraines, PTSD, mental illness, concussions, confidence, I’m not gonna ignorantly pretend like there were no prior issues or mock a player’s play knowing what I know today. Everyone has their limits and I’m not gonna touch that. Patrick wasn’t going to rejoin the team this season and become Eric Staal after over a year long layoff for reasons we’re aware of. You can find YouTube interviews of Patrick talking about his status one year ago, frustrated and unwilling to discuss about what’s going on in his head but speaking of multiple Medicine Regiments that he had to be put on and believing he was going to return with the team last year.

I think I agree with you. Almost as if it were some sort of PTSD that they feel he needs to just work his way out of. A good normal offseason leading in to a normal season may do him wonders. The team will qualify him, protect him, and then sign him to a one year deal. Next season is pretty much his career IMO. You cant cut him off after this season no matter how many of the fans irrationally hate him.
- MBFlyerfan

Can you think of a more mysterious case in the recent past? Ok, he will not be a star. But the kid did put up 13-14 goals each of his first 2 seasons. Fine he got preferential ice time - but it was after all still while he was only 18/19. In a team far from an offensive juggernaut.

A 20 goal 3rd line center seemed easily in the trajectory then. Then this season happened. Following a prolonged mysterious absence, this monumental regression, during which the coach kept on playing him and playing him. Why? If he was not going to get a QO, he would surely have been sat down. If he was being enticed to Seattle, surely his value kept dipping the more he was exposed.

What happened to the NP I saw pre-season? I am going to make a wild conjecture. I recall he took a hit to the head area sometime early this season. It may not show up in the PCS symptoms, but it awakened dormant demons. He is playing scared and the staff are trying everything to get him to play himself out of it.

Can you think of a more mysterious case in the recent past? Ok, he will not be a star. But the kid did put up 13-14 goals each of his first 2 seasons. Fine he got preferential ice time - but it was after all still while he was only 18/19. In a team far from an offensive juggernaut.

A 20 goal 3rd line center seemed easily in the trajectory then. Then this season happened. Following a prolonged mysterious absence, this monumental regression, during which the coach kept on playing him and playing him. Why? If he was not going to get a QO, he would surely have been sat down. If he was being enticed to Seattle, surely his value kept dipping the more he was exposed.

What happened to the NP I saw pre-season? I am going to make a wild conjecture. I recall he took a hit to the head area sometime early this season. It may not show up in the PCS symptoms, but it awakened dormant demons. He is playing scared and the staff are trying everything to get him to play himself out of it.
- PT21

Also taking a Myers shot to the head more recently. I don’t think he’s playing afraid but cautious might be a better word, which I think is reasonable. The rest of his life feeling normal or pleasing us as fans? Tough choice, right?

Glad we passed on the little guy Caufield.
3 goals in 8 games.

Can you think of a more mysterious case in the recent past? Ok, he will not be a star. But the kid did put up 13-14 goals each of his first 2 seasons. Fine he got preferential ice time - but it was after all still while he was only 18/19. In a team far from an offensive juggernaut.

A 20 goal 3rd line center seemed easily in the trajectory then. Then this season happened. Following a prolonged mysterious absence, this monumental regression, during which the coach kept on playing him and playing him. Why? If he was not going to get a QO, he would surely have been sat down. If he was being enticed to Seattle, surely his value kept dipping the more he was exposed.

What happened to the NP I saw pre-season? I am going to make a wild conjecture. I recall he took a hit to the head area sometime early this season. It may not show up in the PCS symptoms, but it awakened dormant demons. He is playing scared and the staff are trying everything to get him to play himself out of it.
- PT21

Since there was no pre-season it opens up even more questions.

I actually hope that puck he took from Myers helps to move him forward. He took the shot and was ok. So now maybe he needs to trust his body to be ok. He was away for a long time. Way longer than Lindblom was. That kind of disappointment would surely effect a young kid way more than a seasoned vet regardless of what the monday morning qb/Patrick haters think.

I think the team knows (and knew) it would take more than a truncated season played under strange circumstances in so many ways to evaluate what they have in him. This is one instance where I am happy the team doesnt give a rats ass about what the WIP "hang up and listen" crowd thinks.

Also taking a Myers shot to the head more recently. I don’t think he’s playing afraid but cautious might be a better word, which I think is reasonable. The rest of his life feeling normal or pleasing us as fans? Tough choice, right?
- SuperSchennBros

I am talking about an earlier hit. I remember we all held our breath. By the time of the Myers hit, he was already in terminal decline for the season.

I am assuming it is psychological else he should not be playing. I see an inhibited player. I remember him with that Peter Forsberg style intense gaze on the bench, hunched over. I remember him slamming his stick in frustration. I did not see that body language this year. A few games ago, he went into a scrum but only held the other player back, very tepid.

If he was a 4 mil+ a year player, I would say ok, goodbye. But given the low downside and decent upside, I would personally suggest protection and patience.

Glad we passed on the little guy Caufield.
3 goals in 8 games.
- konalover711

I think we are going to need York more. And the 13 other teams who passed, I wonder how they feel?

Since there was no pre-season it opens up even more questions.

I actually hope that puck he took from Myers helps to move him forward. He took the shot and was ok. So now maybe he needs to trust his body to be ok. He was away for a long time. Way longer than Lindblom was. That kind of disappointment would surely effect a young kid way more than a seasoned vet regardless of what the monday morning qb/Patrick haters think.

I think the team knows (and knew) it would take more than a truncated season played under strange circumstances in so many ways to evaluate what they have in him. This is one instance where I am happy the team doesnt give a rats ass about what the WIP "hang up and listen" crowd thinks.
- MBFlyerfan

I meant before the season. The scrimmage. And before that, the practices.

I am talking about an earlier hit. I remember we all held our breath. By the time of the Myers hit, he was already in terminal decline for the season.

I am assuming it is psychological else he should not be playing. I see an inhibited player. I remember him with that Peter Forsberg style intense gaze on the bench, hunched over. I remember him slamming his stick in frustration. I did not see that body language this year. A few games ago, he went into a scrum but only held the other player back, very tepid.

If he was a 4 mil+ a year player, I would say ok, goodbye. But given the low downside and decent upside, I would personally suggest protection and patience.
- PT21

Agreed

Torts available. Nothing against av but ever there was a team that needed torts it’s this edition of flyers

Since there was no pre-season it opens up even more questions.

I actually hope that puck he took from Myers helps to move him forward. He took the shot and was ok. So now maybe he needs to trust his body to be ok. He was away for a long time. Way longer than Lindblom was. That kind of disappointment would surely effect a young kid way more than a seasoned vet regardless of what the monday morning qb/Patrick haters think.

I think the team knows (and knew) it would take more than a truncated season played under strange circumstances in so many ways to evaluate what they have in him. This is one instance where I am happy the team doesnt give a rats ass about what the WIP "hang up and listen" crowd thinks.
- MBFlyerfan

I read that too and just kept reading. We very much went right into the season without pre-season and there were a lot of slow starts to this season.

I am not Bill but I will make a tangential conjecture. The continued usage of NP in spite of poor play seems to me to indicate that the management knows more about the issue than we do, and that they are trying to get him to play out of something, like an inhibition. All of which suggests to me they are taking the long view with him and he will be back.
- PT21

I honestly think they don’t have a clue....but are trying to give the kid as much a chance as possible to get it figured out....I mean he’s been put in almost every scenario looking for some sort of positive response. You hate to use the “B” word, but Patrick really is really at a cross roads in his career. Hopefully he has a good summer of training and comes in next year with a good attitude and somehow gets this turned around....do I see it for him ? No. Is this a disaster for any organization picking that high and totally whiffing on their choice ? ....yes.

I am talking about an earlier hit. I remember we all held our breath. By the time of the Myers hit, he was already in terminal decline for the season.

I am assuming it is psychological else he should not be playing. I see an inhibited player. I remember him with that Peter Forsberg style intense gaze on the bench, hunched over. I remember him slamming his stick in frustration. I did not see that body language this year. A few games ago, he went into a scrum but only held the other player back, very tepid.

If he was a 4 mil+ a year player, I would say ok, goodbye. But given the low downside and decent upside, I would personally suggest protection and patience.
- PT21

You mean logical thinking?

Glad we passed on the little guy Caufield.
3 goals in 8 games.
- konalover711

2 in the gimmick period

I honestly think they don’t have a clue....but are trying to give the kid as much a chance as possible to get it figured out....I mean he’s been put in almost every scenario looking for some sort of positive response. You hate to use the “B” word, but Patrick really is really at a cross roads in his career. Hopefully he has a good summer of training and comes in next year with a good attitude and somehow gets this turned around....do I see it for him ? No. Is this a disaster for any organization picking that high and totally whiffing on their choice ? ....yes.
- landros 2

Patrick isn’t at a cross roads in his career. If we give up on him, someone will give him an opportunity. We need him to be healthy and be better. No real decision should have been rushed to judgement based on this season as he made his return to the league.

You mean logical thinking?
- SuperSchennBros

In this case, no. Just a rationalizable opinion. The other perspectives have merit too, honestly. I mean he has had a epically bad season and unlike , say, Carter Hart, has never shown tremendous excellence.

I honestly think they don’t have a clue....but are trying to give the kid as much a chance as possible to get it figured out....I mean he’s been put in almost every scenario looking for some sort of positive response. You hate to use the “B” word, but Patrick really is really at a cross roads in his career. Hopefully he has a good summer of training and comes in next year with a good attitude and somehow gets this turned around....do I see it for him ? No. Is this a disaster for any organization picking that high and totally whiffing on their choice ? ....yes.
- landros 2

Comon man. In no way is it a disaster. The team lucked in to the pick, and if you look at the picks taken where we probably would have picked, none of them are overwhelming. Its not like it was some franchise destroying decision. The team will survive the disaster, especially if Frost, who was taken at 27, turns in to a player.