Comon man. In no way is it a disaster. The team lucked in to the pick, and if you look at the picks taken where we probably would have picked, none of them are overwhelming. Its not like it was some franchise destroying decision. The team will survive the disaster, especially if Frost, who was taken at 27, turns in to a player.
- MBFlyerfan

You’re right.

Better yet...Tocchet??!!
- BroadSTmayhem

Where is Davies when you need her?

Never said give up on him. But yes he is at a cross Roads. What exactly is he ? Can he fit in a top six ? Does he have the all around game to fit in the bottom six ? Will he ever bring the the big bodied game that made him the second over all pick? How long do the Flyers have to wait ? How long does the Flyers continue to roll him out there with such putrid results? Positions on an NHL ream are highly fought for....its competitive.....you only get some many kicks at the can. If you don’t think he’s at a cross roads then I can’t help ya....it’s as plain as day.
- landros 2

So prior to this season, Nolan Patrick has shown zero capability to play in the NHL?

I thought your original post was good. Look I, thank God, haven't walked in their shoes. I don't know if it's post concussion syndrome, medication, playing timidly, or they're all different individual cases, but whether you're Lindros or Gagne or Patrick (or maybe even Richards -- the story was prescription meds, but maybe it started with concussions?) or one of the countless others, it's a fair comparison. Doesn't matter about original skill level
- therabbi

Thank you! At no point was I ever comparing Lindros skill sets to Patrick’s, nor do I understand why anyone would let their minds go in that direction. When I think of concussions, I think of Eric Lindros, a top 3 player to ever wear the uniform.

interesting tidbits from the 2017 draft.

Where Patrick ranks in the class:

Goals scored:5th
Assists: 7th
Points: 9th
Games played:3rd

I would have thought he would be way lower considering how much time he missed.
- MBFlyerfan

We rushed him and he still has nothing but time. The overwhelming overreaction on this board is ridiculous.

3rd leading.

I really hope they use this opportunity to lose Voracek/JVR, even with sweeteners. However bad NP has been, he counts minimally against the cap and we can cut him loose anytime. Whether he stays or goes, it is not correlated with our ability to sign a star (because of $ and term).
- PT21

2nd and I agree with you.

We rushed him and he still has nothing but time. The overwhelming overreaction on this board is ridiculous.
- SuperSchennBros

I have no issue letting him develop in the bottom six. The kid needs to put on size to find his game at this level, period. Anyone who sees differently probably never watched much of how he played in junior.

You are correct, 3rd leading. However hes the only net front threat they have on the pp and one of the few “shoot first” players on the roster.

Here’s the thing, it’s not like Patrick has had a so-so or even mildly bad season. He has been one of the worst forwards in the NHL. 9 points with the pp time he has received is abysmal production and his defensive game has been just as bad. If it’s strictly about the cap, fine, protect him, but to go into camp counting on him to be a top 9 forward would be incredibly foolish.
- BiggE

JVR while having a good season, losing him for nothing is actually gaining something in a flat cap environment. Best to protect Patrick

2nd and I agree with you.
- SuperSchennBros

Hmm. I see 3rd. Farabee, Couts,Giroux and JVR tied for 3rd. Not that it matters.

What is a solid season for Oscar?
Calling my shot now for next year for Oscar
8-12 goals/10-15 assist
25 point player with ok defensive play...

Nothing to write home about nothing that will be missed. Spare me the pre cancer post cancer rah rah. This is straight up thought on the players ability and play. Nothing personal as obviously Oscar story is a great one. And I’ll add that’s a great hit for a 5th round pick and overall great for the team

But and this a big but... if your team had the whole Oscar debate as anything more than a footnote of your team either currently or for the future you’re doomed. He moves no needle anywhere.
- SMS4016

You dont have the slightest clue how chemotherapy treatment ravages the body

You dont have the slightest clue how chemotherapy treatment ravages the body
- CRUSH IT LIKE ME

he also sucks at sports betting too

Everybody loved them some ghost when he was winning Games in OT though
- corduroy

They still loving him?

Patrick is the second overall pick a few years removed coming off a terrible season. He has literally zero leverage in contract negotiations, he will be back. He’s been really really bad but giving up on him now would be moronic. People also quickly forget it was basically a miracle he played again, some crazy conversations when his status was in question.

What is a solid season for Oscar?
Calling my shot now for next year for Oscar
8-12 goals/10-15 assist
25 point player with ok defensive play...

Nothing to write home about nothing that will be missed. Spare me the pre cancer post cancer rah rah. This is straight up thought on the players ability and play. Nothing personal as obviously Oscar story is a great one. And I’ll add that’s a great hit for a 5th round pick and overall great for the team

But and this a big but... if your team had the whole Oscar debate as anything more than a footnote of your team either currently or for the future you’re doomed. He moves no needle anywhere.
- SMS4016

Full season 20+ goals, 35-40 points, wins a decider majority of board battles, above-average defensively. You know -- or maybe you don't-- the player he was 2nd half of 2018-19 when he moved up in the lineup by Scott Gordon up through cancer diagnosis last season.

He lost a lot of weight and muscle mass, and had rib removal surgery last year. Also had Covid this year.

We rushed him and he still has nothing but time. The overwhelming overreaction on this board is ridiculous.
- SuperSchennBros

He wasn't rushed. A late birthday player. Would have been a first rounder even in 2016 had he been eligible. Didn't need another WHL season by 2017-18.

Torts, anyone?
- BroadSTmayhem

Yes please........Side of some new PP and PK coaches How did Jones get along with Torts?

Full season 20+ goals, 35-40 points, wins a decider majority of board battles, above-average defensively. You know -- or maybe you don't-- the player he was 2nd half of 2018-19 when he moved up in the lineup by Scott Gordon up through cancer diagnosis last season.

He lost a lot of weight and muscle mass, and had rib removal surgery last year. Also had Covid this year.
- bmeltzer

Jaden Schwartz played at Gretzky level for a few months a few years ago. Oscars half season was not the norm. Nor should it be expected or considered even a possibility. We are both on record for the point totals for next year. Any player and in most cases most players get hot for a point in a season. Oscar certainly is capable of scoring some points over a few weeks or even a few months. And most likely will. Just like he will most like go mostly pointless over weeks and most likely scoring drought over months. For example he could put up 10 points in a month and the next month 0 I get the optimistic hopefulness that he’ll get more than my point totals. We will see

Full season 20+ goals, 35-40 points, wins a decider majority of board battles, above-average defensively. You know -- or maybe you don't-- the player he was 2nd half of 2018-19 when he moved up in the lineup by Scott Gordon up through cancer diagnosis last season.

He lost a lot of weight and muscle mass, and had rib removal surgery last year. Also had Covid this year.
- bmeltzer

And I’ll bet no way he puts up 40 points. That’s a point every other game. Not happening

You dont have the slightest clue how chemotherapy treatment ravages the body
- CRUSH IT LIKE ME

Actually yes I do. I watched my mother pass from leukemia. Like I said it has zero to do with his personal battle. I stressed it was from strictly hockey analysis. Like I said expected a 5th round pick to basically be in top 6 and be a point producer is not good

Full season 20+ goals, 35-40 points, wins a decider majority of board battles, above-average defensively. You know -- or maybe you don't-- the player he was 2nd half of 2018-19 when he moved up in the lineup by Scott Gordon up through cancer diagnosis last season.

He lost a lot of weight and muscle mass, and had rib removal surgery last year. Also had Covid this year.
- bmeltzer

Amazing and inspirational. He’s a 50 point player before his ordeal. I wonder if removing a rib would have long term effects on one’s core strength

Who the hell is Brennan soulnier lol the guy had a natural hat trick for the phantoms today

Actually yes I do. I watched my mother pass from leukemia. Like I said it has zero to do with his personal battle. I stressed it was from strictly hockey analysis. Like I said expected a 5th round pick to basically be in top 6 and be a point producer is not good
- SMS4016

my condolences. You then know the physical toll it takes on an average person, let alone a world class athlete that relies on their physical tools to compete against other healthy world class athletes

Amazing and inspirational. He’s a 50 point player before his ordeal. I wonder if removing a rib would have long term effects on one’s core strength
- Just5

17 g/ 16 asst his best year. 33 point career high. Surely that’s a 50 point player.

my condolences. You then know the physical toll it takes on an average person, let alone a world class athlete that relies on their physical tools to compete against other healthy world class athletes
- CRUSH IT LIKE ME

Yes and it makes oscars personal battle to come back that more impressive. And it would be even more impressive if he came even close to the player he was. Cancer treatment destroys the body. Not many even approach being back to “normal”. I love Oscar on team. Hes a great 4th liner possibly 3rd liner. Definitely room on team for him. I’m not downing him. Just pointing out that we’re not hopefully depending on Oscar to be major piece

Jaden Schwartz played at Gretzky level for a few months a few years ago. Oscars half season was not the norm. Nor should it be expected or considered even a possibility. We are both on record for the point totals for next year. Any player and in most cases most players get hot for a point in a season. Oscar certainly is capable of scoring some points over a few weeks or even a few months. And most likely will. Just like he will most like go mostly pointless over weeks and most likely scoring drought over months. For example he could put up 10 points in a month and the next month 0 I get the optimistic hopefulness that he’ll get more than my point totals. We will see
- SMS4016

I don't know how he will do but two points to keep in mind.

1. He had close to two consecutive half-seasons of staying hot, separated by a summer and a coaching change. Presumably hot streaks that are interrupted don't just resume right away.
2. In the earlier part of his career he played bottom 6. His acceleration in ppg coincided with a change in where he was used (moved to 2nd line).