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JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

May 12 @ 9:24 AM ET
Part of me is ok with making some tweaks but nothing drastic. I think we can assume one of Ghost or JVR is being taken by Seattle (and hopefully we don’t need to dangle a pick to do so). With that cap either pursue a top 4 D-men or you dangle our 1st rounder + to land a true partner for Provy. I know we’ve had years of mediocracy but I think we all felt last season was a truly different team and an on-ice product we hadn’t seen for years. I have a hard time believing everything we built last year was just completely wiped or erased. I know every team had to deal with Covid and be away from their family this season, but at the end of the day hockey players are only human. While I’m frustrated with this season, I am relatively confident we will bounce back. Yesterday Giroux mentioned he will have a Private 1 on 1 with Chuck to discuss what he thinks the team needs. I can’t say I’ve heard G ever do this or mention anything like this. His patience is running thin with Father Time. I hope AV can swallow his pride when he reflects for however long and realizes he’s gotta let his buddy Therien go.
- arichardson22


As much as the fan base hope the Kraken help our cap situation, my money is on NAK. I think NAK is a player the Kraken can see developing further. They won't need JVR or Ghost, there are better options for them that don't have the cap hit.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 12 @ 9:26 AM ET
Moving Provorov to get a good RH D?? Are you serious? That would be like cutting off your nose despite your face. They have NO defenseman on this roster currently that have shown that they are capable of being the #1 left defenseman. Yes, perhaps they have an abundance, but none good enough. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout


And how many good RH D do they have?
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 12 @ 9:29 AM ET
The Islanders and Senators had similar feelings about Chara...In fact when it came down to contracts, Ottawa picked Wade Redden to sign and didn't get a contract done with Chara...just saying, some of the big guys take some time to bake. Myers didn't even cost a draft pick...he costs little, and the Flyers can have the patience to see what they have in him. It is not like he is keep some other future hall of famer from playing...
- JW98FlyerFan


I am all for Meyers to try and get better, and we need the RH D that he is. But he might not turn out as everyone wants also. Right now i think the chances are 50/50.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 12 @ 9:29 AM ET
Same here, the Vets are the ones who are not good enough but take up a majority of the team's cap space. TK is a good player that will get better. With Myers I guess we will see, but I for one don't believe he will be that good because he does not use his size and shies away from contact.
- jd250


vets taking up cap space, aging vets, is the norm for the league. G, Jake, JVR and Coots really were the only ones who did their part. The lack of success mainly sits with the young core WAY underachieving. Hayes get lopped into that category also, he needs to be more like the player from last season. I don't want to let the youngens go unless we trade for similar, even add a sweetener to get the best player in the deal.

Losing a JVR or a Ghost or a Jake will leave a hole and if they want to compete next year they will need a plan to replace them.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 12 @ 9:32 AM ET
I can’t wait to find out who needs surgery because some of these guys need to offer up an explanation.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 12 @ 9:37 AM ET
vets taking up cap space, aging vets, is the norm for the league. G, Jake, JVR and Coots really were the only ones who did their part. The lack of success mainly sits with the young core WAY underachieving. Hayes get lopped into that category also, he needs to be more like the player from last season. I don't want to let the youngens go unless we trade for similar, even add a sweetener to get the best player in the deal.

Losing a JVR or a Ghost or a Jake will leave a hole and if they want to compete next year they will need a plan to replace them.

- wcorvette


I agree, thinking Wade can relace JVR production. JAke will be tough to replace, maybe frost can contribute some? But don't like going in hoping on young kids. Ghost could be replaced by York. Hopefully we can trade him before Seattle takes him.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 12 @ 9:40 AM ET
ghost: “I had a lot of adversity this season – COVID, getting suspended, healthy scratch, all that stuff. But I think every time I came back, I answered the bell, and I came back with vengeance. And I responded really well and positively for our team. So, I think that just shows on a personal level for myself, dealing with adversity is not a problem. And you’re gonna have to do that to build your character as a human being. And, just worry about the things you can control. And that’s what I did. I just played hockey.”
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 12 @ 9:43 AM ET
I agree, thinking Wade can relace JVR production. JAke will be tough to replace, maybe frost can contribute some? But don't like going in hoping on young kids. Ghost could be replaced by York. Hopefully we can trade him before Seattle takes him.
- bradster



I have been a big fan of Allison, I asked Bill all season about WHEN was he going to be healthy. I love his shot and I like his size and compete. All that said I don't think he can replace JVR, I do think they should put him in the high slot and let him rip it, the PP is missing that, teams don't even really cover it against the Flyers. JVR is the best in the business in front, if he goes, they will need that type of player back. Why on the PP they did not get more pucks to JVR is beyond me. Why JVR and Ghost weren't a fixture on PP1 all season is beyond me.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 12 @ 9:50 AM ET
Fletcher was asked about the team’s leadership group and if he was disappointed it wasn’t able to stop the team’s skid.

“If you look at the last couple months, nobody played harder than Claude Giroux,” he said. “Sean Couturier played really hard on his line, carried our team early in the season. Jake Voracek led our team in scoring again, or tied for the lead. A lot of these players that have been here a while I thought did their part. Hockey’s a team sport. Twenty players on the ice. I don’t know that one guy giving a speech in a dressing room or doing something can turn a season around.”

Vigneault said he could have had a better coaching season.


Dave Scott, the team’s chairman, said the Flyers should have the finances to make moves this summer. He is taking a glass-is-half-full approach.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

May 12 @ 9:56 AM ET
It was written (I know because I wrote it) but awaiting layout and posting. Another is coming today. Several more, related to player exit interviews, are forthcoming in days to come.
- bmeltzer


I was referring to Comcast Sports Philly, I see that Hall wrote a piece and posted it last night or early this morning.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 12 @ 10:23 AM ET
As much as the fan base hope the Kraken help our cap situation, my money is on NAK. I think NAK is a player the Kraken can see developing further. They won't need JVR or Ghost, there are better options for them that don't have the cap hit.
- JW98FlyerFan



JVR has more value than NAK. He only has two years left on his contract. If I had to pick between JVR, Ghost, NAK and Voracek I would take JVR. He is a consistent producer that contending teams could use. Especially, if salary is retained.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 12 @ 10:26 AM ET
JVR has more value than NAK. He only has two years left on his contract. If I had to pick between JVR, Ghost, NAK and Voracek I would take JVR. He is a consistent producer that contending teams could use. Especially, if salary is retained.
- mickel25


7 mil also helps get you to cap floor and his actual dollars less I believe
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

May 12 @ 10:28 AM ET
JVR has more value than NAK. He only has two years left on his contract. If I had to pick between JVR, Ghost, NAK and Voracek I would take JVR. He is a consistent producer that contending teams could use. Especially, if salary is retained.
- mickel25

And that becomes the real problem...retaining salary. You lose all his positives to gain very little in cap space. If you lose JVR, then you have to gain 100% of the cap space. The Flyers should offer Seattle absolutely ZERO if they take JVR.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

May 12 @ 10:31 AM ET
7 mil also helps get you to cap floor and his actual dollars less I believe
- wcorvette

If you look at any mock draft to this point the Kraken need no help from the Flyers to get to the cap floor. If anything, a contract like JVR reduces their cap space and limits their options...but Flyers fans will be homers and not see the rest of the league.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 12 @ 10:37 AM ET
And that becomes the real problem...retaining salary. You lose all his positives to gain very little in cap space. If you lose JVR, then you have to gain 100% of the cap space. The Flyers should offer Seattle absolutely ZERO if they take JVR.
- JW98FlyerFan



I did not mean the Flyers retain salary for the Kraken to take him. I meant he would be attractive to the Kraken because he produces consistently, only has two years left on his contract and he would have higher trade value than the other players listed. Of course it depends on the other players they decide to take.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

May 12 @ 10:38 AM ET
Huh! Interesting...
- PT21


Giroux wants Hayes gone.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

May 12 @ 11:19 AM ET
Giroux wants Hayes gone.
- black_francis


Ha ha. Good luck with that.

wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 12 @ 11:23 AM ET
If you look at any mock draft to this point the Kraken need no help from the Flyers to get to the cap floor. If anything, a contract like JVR reduces their cap space and limits their options...but Flyers fans will be homers and not see the rest of the league.
- JW98FlyerFan


OK-

Your comment only looks at the one piece. JVR has only 2 years left, one of those years at 5 mil not the 7 cap. JVR is one of the best in the biz at what he does. Any new team needs players who can score, last time I checked fans like scoring, new team, new fans and yeah scoring is really important. Some last season said JVR has his best 2 way season of his career. This year, in a year that was a poop show he led the way with scoring and was still a plus player. NO need to be a homer when there is real value to a player. True enough us Flyer fans no more about the Flyer players than other teams players, thankfully this is Flyer board.

looking at a few of the projections JVR stands out for what he brings, that doesn't mean they will take him, just helps to show he has real value for an expansion team. Teams still need to submit the protected list, teams can still make trades to prevent losing an asset for free, fluid situation right now and just a conversation on a message board.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

May 12 @ 11:34 AM ET
OK-

Your comment only looks at the one piece. JVR has only 2 years left, one of those years at 5 mil not the 7 cap. JVR is one of the best in the biz at what he does. Any new team needs players who can score, last time I checked fans like scoring, new team, new fans and yeah scoring is really important. Some last season said JVR has his best 2 way season of his career. This year, in a year that was a poop show he led the way with scoring and was still a plus player. NO need to be a homer when there is real value to a player. True enough us Flyer fans no more about the Flyer players than other teams players, thankfully this is Flyer board.

looking at a few of the projections JVR stands out for what he brings, that doesn't mean they will take him, just helps to show he has real value for an expansion team. Teams still need to submit the protected list, teams can still make trades to prevent losing an asset for free, fluid situation right now and just a conversation on a message board.

- wcorvette

My comment only looks at one piece because it was to counter the other poster. I could come up with equal arguments on why the Kraken should take JVR and why they should not...could do the same for Jake, Ghost, and NAK. My point is that the Kraken will do what is best for them and the Flyers should do nothing to influence the process. Losing anyone of those 4 players has pluses and minuses for the Flyers, but none of them should require us to push the needle in any direction. I also have seen very few non-Flyers based mock drafts that have the Kraken taking JVR to get to the cap floor. What JVR brings is very one dimensional. If they are not going to play that kind of hockey or that type of system, JVR is not a good fit for lots of reasons. The coach they select will be important in all of this.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 12 @ 11:55 AM ET
My comment only looks at one piece because it was to counter the other poster. I could come up with equal arguments on why the Kraken should take JVR and why they should not...could do the same for Jake, Ghost, and NAK. My point is that the Kraken will do what is best for them and the Flyers should do nothing to influence the process. Losing anyone of those 4 players has pluses and minuses for the Flyers, but none of them should require us to push the needle in any direction. I also have seen very few non-Flyers based mock drafts that have the Kraken taking JVR to get to the cap floor. What JVR brings is very one dimensional. If they are not going to play that kind of hockey or that type of system, JVR is not a good fit for lots of reasons. The coach they select will be important in all of this.
- JW98FlyerFan


I don't disagree with the Flyers not influencing who the Krack take. I don't agree that JVR is one dimensional, his assists alone show that he can set up plays as well as put the puck in. JVR has great hands, he uses them in the O zone for sure but you also see him use them in the D zone to get out of the zone. Prior to the last 2 seasons he was a plus player one year and a minus the next, the past 2 seasons he has done much better at being a 2 way player. I can see why people still tag him with being a one dimensional but I think that is lazy, he is a better all around player today than he was 3 years ago. I am not saying he is a Selke player just he has evolved his game. I do agree with you on the coach and the mix of players. JVR needs to be around the right mix. The Flyers proved that in spades this season, the PENs (UGH) have proven mix is the key to winning.
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