I meant there is no way Fla is trading Barkov, for anyone.
- Brukie

Thats why I said it would start there. Theyre not moving him willingly.

The ONLY way he gets traded is if he tells management that hes not resigning in Florida. He holds all the cards here. Short of him saying that he will only play for the NY Rangers, hes not coming here.

But thats why pipedreams exist. Lol

Thats why I said it would start there. Theyre not moving him willingly.

The ONLY way he gets traded is if he tells management that hes not resigning in Florida. He holds all the cards here. Short of him saying that he will only play for the NY Rangers, hes not coming here.

But thats why pipedreams exist. Lol
- aecliptic

I'm all aboard Torts, Gallant, Tocchet

I am against a "think out of the box" candidate

I'm all aboard Torts, Gallant, Tocchet

I am against a "think out of the box" candidate
- jimbro83

BIG NO to Torts or Messier.

I am interested in Gallant and Tocchet though. Drury certainly has hit the ground running! Going to be a FUN summer!

Edit: Surprised not much chatter about Claude Julien as a coaching candidate?

I'm all aboard Torts, Gallant, Tocchet

I am against a "think out of the box" candidate
- jimbro83

So me and MDW tag teaming this is a no go for you?

I’m no with torts or mess .. I’m good with Gallant , Knoblauch or Tocchet in that order..

I'm all aboard Torts, Gallant, Tocchet

I am against a "think out of the box" candidate
- jimbro83

I'm all aboard Torts, Gallant, Tocchet

I am against a "think out of the box" candidate
- jimbro83

I'm hoping for Gallant and if not him I'd be happy with Tocchet, or potentially a coach that has not yet been made available. I think this team is too skilled for Torts' style of coaching. We need to incorporate some of his blue collar attitude but he's too far to the extreme with that IMO. He's at his best coaching an underdog

For those here who were interested in obtaining Sean Monahan for our upgrade at center:

Calgary Flames just announced that Monahan will be undergoing hip surgery and is done for the last few games this season.

For those here who were interested in obtaining Sean Monahan for our upgrade at center:

Calgary Flames just announced that Monahan will be undergoing hip surgery and is done for the last few games this season.
- TommyGTrain

Downgrades, downgrades everywhere.

For those here who were interested in obtaining Sean Monahan for our upgrade at center:

Calgary Flames just announced that Monahan will be undergoing hip surgery and is done for the last few games this season.
- TommyGTrain

Just lowering the trade value for us

I look back on JD and Gortons time and while I think they did a good job, working for the NYR was definitely a huge help on top of the fact they won the lottery 2x. Panarin Fox and Trouba all said they wanted to come to NY, can’t really credit them for those 3 when they didn’t want to play/sign/accept a trade anywhere else. Then you have Laf and Kakko, any GM makes those 2 picks. Not saying they didn’t do a good job, I just think if we were any other team in the league we don’t have the advantages they had while making some of these deals.

I look back on JD and Gortons time and while I think they did a good job, working for the NYR was definitely a huge help on top of the fact they won the lottery 2x. Panarin Fox and Trouba all said they wanted to come to NY, can’t really credit them for those 3 when they didn’t want to play/sign/accept a trade anywhere else. Then you have Laf and Kakko, any GM makes those 2 picks. Not saying they didn’t do a good job, I just think if we were any other team in the league we don’t have the advantages they had while making some of these deals.
- nyrangers9479

I think that's a fair assessment of those acquisitions and they definitely had some luck, but just looking at what you mentioned is a little incomplete. The Mika trade was a huge win. Nash for what turned out to be Lindgren, Miller and Strome was a huge win. Even the Fox and Trouba deals were good deals looking back, although to your point those teams didn't have much leverage.

As far as drafting, it's tough to say whether it was them or the scouting department. People that didn't like Gorton pointed to Lias and Olaf and people that did pointed to guys like Jones and Miller and Lundkvist.

I think they did a good job here but were definitely presented an opportunity between being in NY and having lottery luck that a lot of GMs in this league would die for. I don't think they would have built a roster like this without that luck but I'm also not so sure that any given GM in the league could do the same or better.

I think that's a fair assessment of those acquisitions and they definitely had some luck, but just looking at what you mentioned is a little incomplete. The Mika trade was a huge win. Nash for what turned out to be Lindgren, Miller and Strome was a huge win. Even the Fox and Trouba deals were good deals looking back, although to your point those teams didn't have much leverage.

As far as drafting, it's tough to say whether it was them or the scouting department. People that didn't like Gorton pointed to Lias and Olaf and people that did pointed to guys like Jones and Miller and Lundkvist.

I think they did a good job here but were definitely presented an opportunity between being in NY and having lottery luck that a lot of GMs in this league would die for. I don't think they would have built a roster like this without that luck but I'm also not so sure that any given GM in the league could do the same or better.
- SkjeiStadium

Mika was way before Gorton and JD......
They hit a homerun in the Nash trade but got crushed on the McD/Miller trade.
I’m not saying they didn’t win some or lose some trades, everyone does. What I’m saying is how would we be looking if Panarin only wanted to sign in NY? If Trouba and Fox only wanted to be traded to the NYR.....forget what we gave up for them, they’re not here unless they both say they wanted to be a Ranger. Would we still feel the same way if those 3 didn’t want to come here and we never won the lottery?

I look back on JD and Gortons time and while I think they did a good job, working for the NYR was definitely a huge help on top of the fact they won the lottery 2x. Panarin Fox and Trouba all said they wanted to come to NY, can’t really credit them for those 3 when they didn’t want to play/sign/accept a trade anywhere else. Then you have Laf and Kakko, any GM makes those 2 picks. Not saying they didn’t do a good job, I just think if we were any other team in the league we don’t have the advantages they had while making some of these deals.
- nyrangers9479

I just don’t get lumping Gorton and JD together. JD got 2 years, good or bad it’s not enough to give an impacting grade

I'm all aboard Torts, Gallant, Tocchet

I am against a "think out of the box" candidate
- jimbro83

This franchise will be set back even longer should one who has had his past disputes and clashes with even his own 'kids" in Torts be returning to coach the NHL's for now, youngest average age team. Witness this past season with Pierre-Luc Dubois forcing Columbus to deal him away from Torts; along with his tirades that affected Domi's and even Laine's games for just two other young BJ's.

We don't need our kids' development to be stalled should they be receiving extra rest on the bench, or even be scratched from the lineups due to Torts' anger & madness issues due to his expectations of perfection from all on every shift. Just recall for one back then, his issues with a young Brandon Dubinsky in NY.

We also don't need Torts' disconnects with the NY media again as in the past with Brooks; and neither his general refusal to otherwise answer reporters' questions when in a bad mood with his, "I'm not interested in breaking down what and why something bad had happened during the game."

With Brind'Amour likely to remain in Carolina, Gallant would be my first choice, Jimbro, with as you stated, no "out of the box" candidate to be hired; unless Torts were the only remaining experienced option available.

Mika was way before Gorton and JD......
They hit a homerun in the Nash trade but got crushed on the McD/Miller trade.
I’m not saying they didn’t win some or lose some trades, everyone does. What I’m saying is how would we be looking if Panarin only wanted to sign in NY? If Trouba and Fox only wanted to be traded to the NYR.....forget what we gave up for them, they’re not here unless they both say they wanted to be a Ranger. Would we still feel the same way if those 3 didn’t want to come here and we never won the lottery?
- nyrangers9479

I'm agreeing with you that they got lucky with a lot of those things. Also btw Gorton traded for Mika. That was before JD but not Gorton. I know your feeling on the McD/Miller trade so we don't really need to get into it but I will say that if Lundkvist becomes what some people say he will then that trade looks way more even.

I think Gorton and more recently JD did a pretty good job with the cards they were dealt, and they were dealt great cards. I get not wanting to give too much credit given the circumstances but you also can't hold the luck against them either.

I'm agreeing with you that they got lucky with a lot of those things. Also btw Gorton traded for Mika. That was before JD but not Gorton. I know your feeling on the McD/Miller trade so we don't really need to get into it but I will say that if Lundkvist becomes what some people say he will then that trade looks way more even.

I think Gorton and more recently JD did a pretty good job with the cards they were dealt, and they were dealt great cards. I get not wanting to give too much credit given the circumstances but you also can't hold the luck against them either.
- SkjeiStadium

I’m not holding anything against them, I actually think they were doing a great job at not only building a team to compete now but also in the future. I looked at what they were doing as a 10+ year benefit to this organization. The way they layered/stacked the prospect pool so that every year we have different guys on ELC’s which is so big in a cap era was setting us up for multiple cup runs in the next 10-11 years. With that said for the past few years I’ve been beating the we need more physical/grit type players in the lineup. I get the argument we drafted Cuyelle and Schneider but those guys are 2+ years from being in the lineup. I think they neglected that part of the team these past few years. Winning teams are balanaced, you need all types of players to be successful and I think at times they became star struck at all the talent and forgot about addressing that part of the lineup.

I’m not holding anything against them, I actually think they were doing a great job at not only building a team to compete now but also in the future. I looked at what they were doing as a 10+ year benefit to this organization. The way they layered/stacked the prospect pool so that every year we have different guys on ELC’s which is so big in a cap era was setting us up for multiple cup runs in the next 10-11 years. With that said for the past few years I’ve been beating the we need more physical/grit type players in the lineup. I get the argument we drafted Cuyelle and Schneider but those guys are 2+ years from being in the lineup. I think they neglected that part of the team these past few years. Winning teams are balanaced, you need all types of players to be successful and I think at times they became star struck at all the talent and forgot about addressing that part of the lineup.
- nyrangers9479

I agree with that too. I think they weren't necessarily "trying to win" the past year or two and were just trying to get all of these prospects NHL games to see what they had before they built a "contender" where they would go add the Matt Martin's of the league. It clearly didn't work out great as they got bullied multiple times this year but I don't necessarily disagree with the thought process if they thought they had the leash to see it through. They didn't and now their plan looks incomplete and it looks like they never built a complete team.

I'm watching the Toronto-Ottawa game. Logan Brown, Center, 6'6" 220 11th OA pick in 2016 needs a change of scenery, has only gotten into half their games this year. Coming off his ELC, We should be able to get him pretty cheap.

We could swap Gauthier for him straight up

Pierre McGuire's take today was that whoever wanted Quinn & his assistants' fired, be it either Drury, another in upper management, or ownership in Dolan, McGuire felt the firings were due to that one(s) feeling that "they weren't the staff that would take the team to the next level."

That was in addition to the other visible contributing on ice results & factors in the season's final few weeks while contending for the final playoff spot, with McGuire also among part stating, "the way they lost to the Isles in not scoring a goal in two straight games was key." They were actually outscored 13-1 when including their first 6-1 loss of those final remaining 3 matchups, when Trouba's season ended with injury suffered early in period 1 on that hit he sustained from Martin.

Pierre McGuire's take today was that whoever wanted Quinn & his assistants' fired, be it either Drury, another in upper management, or ownership in Dolan, McGuire felt the firings were due to that one(s) feeling that "they weren't the staff that would take the team to the next level."

That was in addition to the other visible contributing on ice results & factors in the season's final few weeks while contending for the final playoff spot, with McGuire also among part stating, "the way they lost to the Isles in not scoring a goal in two straight games was key." They were actually outscored 13-1 when including their first 6-1 loss of those final remaining 3 matchups, when Trouba's season ended with injury suffered early in period 1 on that hit he sustained from Martin.
- RangerSaver

We needed Pierre for this? I think Jan quoted me in one of his blogs when Quinn got hired in the first place when I said that I wasnt sure if Quinn had the experience to develop and take this team to the next level.

This franchise will be set back even longer should one who has had his past disputes and clashes with even his own 'kids" in Torts be returning to coach the NHL's for now, youngest average age team. Witness this past season with Pierre-Luc Dubois forcing Columbus to deal him away from Torts; along with his tirades that affected Domi's and even Laine's games for just two other young BJ's.

We don't need our kids' development to be stalled should they be receiving extra rest on the bench, or even be scratched from the lineups due to Torts' anger & madness issues due to his expectations of perfection from all on every shift. Just recall for one back then, his issues with a young Brandon Dubinsky in NY.

We also don't need Torts' disconnects with the NY media again as in the past with Brooks; and neither his general refusal to otherwise answer reporters' questions when in a bad mood with his, "I'm not interested in breaking down what and why something bad had happened during the game."

With Brind'Amour likely to remain in Carolina, Gallant would be my first choice, Jimbro, with as you stated, no "out of the box" candidate to be hired; unless Torts were the only remaining experienced option available.
- RangerSaver

this is total crap

one of Quinn's biggest WEAKNESSES was that he was so good and honest with the media

everything he said was so scrutinized it was nauseating

give me a guy who doesn't reveal poop to the media

I want a guy who when asked why Kravtsov is asked why he only played 9 minutes simply says "because he only played 9 minutes, next question"

you guys had a guy in Quinn who gave you all the answers, enough of that poop

Mika was way before Gorton and JD......
They hit a homerun in the Nash trade but got crushed on the McD/Miller trade.
I’m not saying they didn’t win some or lose some trades, everyone does. What I’m saying is how would we be looking if Panarin only wanted to sign in NY? If Trouba and Fox only wanted to be traded to the NYR.....forget what we gave up for them, they’re not here unless they both say they wanted to be a Ranger. Would we still feel the same way if those 3 didn’t want to come here and we never won the lottery?
- nyrangers9479

ummmmmm, the Mika trade was 100000% Jeff Gorton

ummmmmm, the Mika trade was 100000% Jeff Gorton
- jimbro83

Ya I checked, I don’t know y I thought it wasn’t