The one thing missing in some of these arguments is, player's mentality of intent going into a check.
I will say from personal experience, "positioning of my body" when going into a check really was dictated by my intent going into it. If I was just playing the body to take the puck away, then that significantly changes my body position and reduces chances of injury. However, if my intent is to vent anger, go after the guy or i'm just pissed, my body is in a position that will increase potential injury or contact to the head.

So the milliseconds argument is valid in the case of just making a play and poop happens. But I do not buy it when the player's intent is to be aggressive. Your intent created the potential issue in that case.
- NYRCeph

Intent isnt exactly easy or possible to prove in most cases, so I think the injury sustained and players history of such infractions should most certainly be factors in assessing suspensions.

From what I heard during the Wilson debacle, the Dept of Player Safety does NOT take history into account when determining I infraction is suspension worthy....is that true? Suspension length is influenced by player history after they determine whether it's suspension worthy....I believe.

So who is the coach?

Intent isnt exactly easy or possible to prove in most cases, so I think the injury sustained and players history of such infractions should most certainly be factors in assessing suspensions.

From what I heard during the Wilson debacle, the Dept of Player Safety does NOT take history into account when determining I infraction is suspension worthy....is that true? Suspension length is influenced by player history after they determine whether it's suspension worthy....I believe.
- rrentz

It was the amount of time between infractions as to whether or not to take history into account, if I recall from the Wilson Incident.

Intent isnt exactly easy or possible to prove in most cases, so I think the injury sustained and players history of such infractions should most certainly be factors in assessing suspensions.

From what I heard during the Wilson debacle, the Dept of Player Safety does NOT take history into account when determining I infraction is suspension worthy....is that true? Suspension length is influenced by player history after they determine whether it's suspension worthy....I believe.
- rrentz

I agree 100%. Intent is definitely hard to prove unless you see the guy gunning it at the other player. That's the poop of it. But there are cues to determine how a player is going towards another. Look at Wilson before all that poop before the incident with Panarin.

Also:
Per Article 18.2 in the CBA between the NHL and the NHLPA:
"... In deciding on Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice Conduct, the following factors will be taken into account:
(a) The type of conduct involved: conduct in violation of League Playing Rules, and whether the conduct is intentional or reckless, and involves the use of excessive and unnecessary force. Players are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
(b) Injury to the opposing Player(s) involved in the incident.
(c) The status of the offender and, specifically, whether the Player has a history of being subject to Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice Conduct. Players who repeatedly violate League Playing Rules will be more severely punished for each new violation.
(d) The situation of the game in which the incident occurred, for example: late in the game, lopsided score, prior events in the game.
(e) Such other factors as may be appropriate in the circumstances."

Repeat Offender NHL Definition:
A Player is considered a repeat offender for 18 months following his most recent incident that resulted in a suspension. His status as a repeat offender in this category is used to determine the amount of salary forfeited should he receive another suspension.

It is important to note that even if a Player is not defined as a repeat offender, his past history may come into consideration when determining future Supplemental Discipline.

I agree 100%. Intent is definitely hard to prove unless you see the guy gunning it at the other player. That's the poop of it. But there are cues to determine how a player is going towards another. Look at Wilson before all that poop before the incident with Panarin.

Also:
Per Article 18.2 in the CBA between the NHL and the NHLPA:
"... In deciding on Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice Conduct, the following factors will be taken into account:
(a) The type of conduct involved: conduct in violation of League Playing Rules, and whether the conduct is intentional or reckless, and involves the use of excessive and unnecessary force. Players are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
(b) Injury to the opposing Player(s) involved in the incident.
(c) The status of the offender and, specifically, whether the Player has a history of being subject to Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice Conduct. Players who repeatedly violate League Playing Rules will be more severely punished for each new violation.
(d) The situation of the game in which the incident occurred, for example: late in the game, lopsided score, prior events in the game.
(e) Such other factors as may be appropriate in the circumstances."

Repeat Offender NHL Definition:
A Player is considered a repeat offender for 18 months following his most recent incident that resulted in a suspension. His status as a repeat offender in this category is used to determine the amount of salary forfeited should he receive another suspension.

It is important to note that even if a Player is not defined as a repeat offender, his past history may come into consideration when determining future Supplemental Discipline.
- NYRCeph

Based on (d) in the first part something should have happened. He got called, didn't like it, and saw red as soon as he came out of the box with intent to exact revenge.

So, he was clearly within that 18 month window after taking out Carlo.
Maybe Parros didn't read the rules.

So who is the coach?
- TPC

- eichiefs9

man he was (frank)ing awful

Anyone else see Ovechkin absolutely screaming at Samsonov last night after that OT goal? He should be benched for the rest of the postseason and kept away from the team and then let him walk in the summer. How dare he yell at a teammate, what a disgrace. /sarcasm

Anyone else see Ovechkin absolutely screaming at Samsonov last night after that OT goal? He should be benched for the rest of the postseason and kept away from the team and then let him walk in the summer. How dare he yell at a teammate, what a disgrace. /sarcasm
- nyrangers9479

Im still trying to read his lips to see what he said. I curse words are the only things I can clearly make out. Lmao

Anyone else see Ovechkin absolutely screaming at Samsonov last night after that OT goal? He should be benched for the rest of the postseason and kept away from the team and then let him walk in the summer. How dare he yell at a teammate, what a disgrace. /sarcasm
- nyrangers9479

I’m sorry for your loss. I know it’s still affecting you. Take all the time you need to process /sarcasm

The thing I hate the most about Tom Wilson, more than anything, is that he is making me root for the bruins

I’m sorry for your loss. I know it’s still affecting you. Take all the time you need to process /sarcasm
- picklerick

considering we still hear about JT miller, i think we've got a long time to go.

The thing I hate the most about Tom Wilson, more than anything, is that he is making me root for the bruins
- picklerick

I know. how annoying is it to be happy when marchand scores in OT

watching Mon-Tor Tavares just got laid out, going off on a stretcher

got hit by a clean check but when he went down Corey Perry's knee went right across his face, totally inadvertent

watching Mon-Tor Tavares just got laid out, going off on a stretcher
- ELew11

I don’t think it was dirty. Looked like Perry tried to jump over Tavares and he just nailed him in the head

I know. how annoying is it to be happy when marchand scores in OT
- Mtlca66

He may be a POS, but hes a POS you wish you had on your team

I don’t think it was dirty. Looked like Perry tried to jump over Tavares and he just nailed him in the head
- TPC

Yes completely accidental

Foligno's an ass, there was no need for him to fight Perry

Foligno's an ass, there was no need for him to fight Perry
- ELew11

There’s always a need to fight Corey perry

Anyone else see Ovechkin absolutely screaming at Samsonov last night after that OT goal? He should be benched for the rest of the postseason and kept away from the team and then let him walk in the summer. How dare he yell at a teammate, what a disgrace. /sarcasm
- nyrangers9479

Yeah, same situation.
Ovi is seen precisely the same as some loud mouthed punk from Jersey with one good season under his belt.
Let’s move on.

Yeah, same situation.
Ovi is seen precisely the same as some loud mouthed punk from Jersey with one good season under his belt.
Let’s move on.
- Tonybere

Don’t use logic

There’s always a need to fight Corey perry
- picklerick

Yeah, same situation.
Ovi is seen precisely the same as some loud mouthed punk from Jersey with one good season under his belt.
Let’s move on.
- Tonybere

So now different players have different standards? Or is it just athletes have emotions and this happens 500x a season but DQ JD and Gorton had it in for TonyD and used it as a BS excuse? I’m guna go with the later.

Watching all these playoff series, the rangers would have been destroyed no matter who they played. The roster really needs to get more physical