And that’s worse then excepting a couple of B prospects and a cap dump then getting nothing for him.

Point proven.
- Pegullaville

How much different is it really?

Your suggestion is get not much at all and still take a cap dump back. Is that really better then having all $10M in cap space available?

What's your trade with the Rangers look like considering you think they're only getting B prospects and a cap dump in return?

Right and him sitting out hurts whom more exactly ?

Eichel could not play hockey at all next year, miss out on $10M, and still make over $100M over the course of the next 10 + years.

What do the Sabres gain by having Eichel play for HC Davos with having nothing to show for it ?
- Pegullaville

Who cares who it hurts more
The POINT is that it seems EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that he would sit out

And he can’t go play elsewhere without our permission (I’m pretty sure) bc he’s still under contract


If u really think he would sit out, then fine
I disagree
And we can leave it at that

And that’s worse then excepting a couple of B prospects and a cap dump then getting nothing for him.

Point proven.
- Pegullaville

Depends on if your team has balls.
If they do, they let him sit and lose of $10m...and watch others play and win Cups...while he sits. Sounds like a mindset of a top 10mplayer in the world to me.

Go to the KHL and be the best KHL player ever...whipty doo!
You're talking about one of the most competitive people in the world.

You are way, way over playing your hand.
But continue I guess.
It is interesting seeing the depths of this fantasy you have.

How much different is it really?

Your suggestion is get not much at all and still take a cap dump back. Is that really better then having all $10M in cap space available?

What's your trade with the Rangers look like considering you think they're only getting B prospects and a cap dump in return?
- kingcong39

I would expect one of Zibanejad/Strome/Buchnevich.

With Chytil/Kravtsov and Lundqvist and a first rounder.

I doubt we get Laf or Kakko

I would expect one of Zibanejad/Strome/Buchnevich.

With Chytil/Kravtsov and Lundqvist and a first rounder.

I doubt we get Laf or Kakko
- Pegullaville

Set your expectations low and you'll never be disappointed.

That said, I think they'll do better

Depends on if your team has balls.
If they do, they let him sit and lose of $10m...and watch others play and win Cups...while he sits. Sounds like a mindset of a top 10mplayer in the world to me.

Go to the KHL and be the best KHL player ever...whipty doo!
You're talking about one of the most competitive people in the world.

You are way, way over playing your hand.
But continue I guess.
It is interesting seeing the depths of this fantasy you have.
- IonSabres

Ahh yes, deep into the mind of the poster that brought you

-Draisatil > Reinhart
-Sergachev > Nylander
-Picking Cozens/Zegras at 7 instead of Caufield.
-Doubling down and predicting Boldy being drafted before Caufield and Cole dropping out of the top 10 tougher (right on both accounts)
-Singing Donskoi as a UFA “but we had too many bottom 6 forwards” already.
-Should have traded for Burakovsky while he was in Washington as he was buried on a stacked depth chart
-Letting Skinner walk to UFA
-Tanking for Cozens in the first place and not drinking the “we won 10 games in a row by the biggest bs luck in the world” koolaid.

Frank could you imagine if we traded that 2019 first rounder to try and win now and not even having Cozens in the pipeline now that we could lose both Eichel and Reinhart ?

Yikes

Ahh yes, deep into the mind of the poster that brought you

-Draisatil > Reinhart
-Sergachev > Nylander
-Picking Cozens/Zegras at 7 instead of Caufield.
-Doubling down and predicting Boldy being drafted before Caufield and Cole dropping out of the top 10 tougher (right on both accounts)
-Singing Donskoi as a UFA “but we had too many bottom 6 forwards” already.
-Should have traded for Burakovsky while he was in Washington as he was buried on a stacked depth chart
-Letting Skinner walk to UFA
-Tanking for Cozens in the first place and not drinking the “we won 10 games in a row by the biggest bs luck in the world” koolaid.

Frank could you imagine if we traded that 2019 first rounder to try and win now and not even having Cozens in the pipeline now that we could lose both Eichel and Reinhart ?

Yikes
- Pegullaville

Counterpoint: if they had committed to winning and had built a competent team, we wouldn't be losing Eichel and Reinhart

I would expect one of Zibanejad/Strome/Buchnevich.

With Chytil/Kravtsov and Lundqvist and a first rounder.

I doubt we get Laf or Kakko
- Pegullaville

To me, none of the three you mentioned are cap dumps as all are quality players. When I think of a cap dump, I think of Eriksson, Kesler, or someone like that.

I think both Chytil and Lundkvist are promising players.

Basically, when you said a pair of B prospects and a cap dump, I was thinking of a trade grade of D.

What you laid out to me is a trade grade of a B.

My mistake in misunderstanding you.

Ahh yes, deep into the mind of the poster that brought you

-Draisatil > Reinhart
-Sergachev > Nylander
-Picking Cozens/Zegras at 7 instead of Caufield.
-Doubling down and predicting Boldy being drafted before Caufield and Cole dropping out of the top 10 tougher (right on both accounts)
-Singing Donskoi as a UFA “but we had too many bottom 6 forwards” already.
-Should have traded for Burakovsky while he was in Washington as he was buried on a stacked depth chart
-Letting Skinner walk to UFA
-Tanking for Cozens in the first place and not drinking the “we won 10 games in a row by the biggest bs luck in the world” koolaid.

Frank could you imagine if we traded that 2019 first rounder to try and win now and not even having Cozens in the pipeline now that we could lose both Eichel and Reinhart ?

Yikes
- Pegullaville

Take it easy bro, from what Buff36 says, the rehab from rotator cuff/shoulder surgery is a female dog. Don’t hurt yourself with too much of patting yourself on the back

Ahh yes, deep into the mind of the poster that brought you

-Draisatil > Reinhart
-Sergachev > Nylander
-Picking Cozens/Zegras at 7 instead of Caufield.
-Doubling down and predicting Boldy being drafted before Caufield and Cole dropping out of the top 10 tougher (right on both accounts)
-Singing Donskoi as a UFA “but we had too many bottom 6 forwards” already.
-Should have traded for Burakovsky while he was in Washington as he was buried on a stacked depth chart
-Letting Skinner walk to UFA
-Tanking for Cozens in the first place and not drinking the “we won 10 games in a row by the biggest bs luck in the world” koolaid.

Frank could you imagine if we traded that 2019 first rounder to try and win now and not even having Cozens in the pipeline now that we could lose both Eichel and Reinhart ?

Yikes
- Pegullaville

Well, the only reason we're going to lose them is because we suck, however, if they had actually tried to win, maybe that wouldn't be the case.

Yes, I know Crag already said it, but it bears repeating.

Counterpoint: if they had committed to winning and had built a competent team, we wouldn't be losing Eichel and Reinhart
- jcragcrumple

Who would we have traded the 2019 first rounder for that would have kept Eichel and Reinhart in Buffalo long term that would have also been worth not having Cozens long term ?

We would be sitting here right now talking about how we traded the pick for someone else who would be wanting out right now instead of keeping the pick and drafting top 10 most likely 🤷🏻‍♂️

Well, the only reason we're going to lose them is because we suck, however, if they had actually tried to win, maybe that wouldn't be the case.

Yes, I know Crag already said it, but it bears repeating.
- Wetbandit1

Cozens was drafted in June 2019.

The Sabres had the rest of that offseason, including this past offseason (the one that Terry s decided to gut the entire management to go “lean”) to make the playoffs.

It took Bill Zito one offseason to surround Barkov and Huberdeau with players that Buffalo couldn’t do for Jack.

Heck Bill Zito was interviewed and passed over by this organization once to twice if I’m not mistaken.

Don’t blame the tank, blame the owner.

The Avalanche are sitting here today with a Presidents Trophy and are looking pretty for a Stanley Cup win sometime in the next few seasons thanks to tanking

I would expect one of Zibanejad/Strome/Buchnevich.

With Chytil/Kravtsov and Lundqvist and a first rounder.

I doubt we get Laf or Kakko
- Pegullaville

The owner wants to accelerate their build. Trading young prospects is the only way to do that.

The owner wants to accelerate their build. Trading young prospects is the only way to do that.
- Slump Buster

Considering the Sabres owner disdain for Russian players, the deal would look like Strome, Chytil, Lundkvist or Schneider, and a 1st round pick.

I believe that even if Jack sat out he would need to play x games in order to get service time for the hear. Either way it's a stupid debate as it won't happen.

Cozens was drafted in June 2019.

The Sabres had the rest of that offseason, including this past offseason (the one that Terry s decided to gut the entire management to go “lean”) to make the playoffs.

It took Bill Zito one offseason to surround Barkov and Huberdeau with players that Buffalo couldn’t do for Jack.

Heck Bill Zito was interviewed and passed over by this organization once to twice if I’m not mistaken.

Don’t blame the tank, blame the owner.

The Avalanche are sitting here today with a Presidents Trophy and are looking pretty for a Stanley Cup win sometime in the next few seasons thanks to tanking
- Pegullaville

Given that it takes the owner to tank, it's fair to blame both. You'll never get better if you don't actually try and get better. We are now going into year 8 of the tank, what, exactly do we have to show for it? Arguably the best player in franchise history wanting out? And also a really good player wanting out because the franchise jerked him around for 3 years now instead of just paying him in the first place. And if/when Eichel and Reinhart leave it will be a minimum of 3 years before they're ready.

Tanking is a short term thing, you get your franchise talent and then actually start building around him. Picking after 3 is a huge gamble almost every year. What's the difference between 7 and 15? There is none, certainly not when factoring in how happy your franchise talent is. The opportunity cost is massive. I guarantee you if the Sabres had made the playoffs once in the last three years we wouldn't be hearing a peep.

Edit: The Avs went from 82 to 48 to 95 points. The Sabres were "one win a month" from making the playoffs after Eichel and climbing to 6th in the division after Dahlin. The Avs went out and made moves to make their team better, the Sabres haven't.

I would expect one of Zibanejad/Strome/Buchnevich.

With Chytil/Kravtsov and Lundqvist and a first rounder.

I doubt we get Laf or Kakko
- Pegullaville

Is an 82 point C a Cap dump? Or a B prospect? Or a nice placeholder and vet to 0lay 1C until the kids hopefully push him down the lineup.

Is a 0.90pt/gm RW one if the same? If so, what is Reinhart?

Does Terry know the stick is upside down.
- IonSabres

🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

Counterpoint: if they had committed to winning and had built a competent team, we wouldn't be losing Eichel and Reinhart
- jcragcrumple

Don't think they didn't commit to winning, just were incompetent in doing it.

Don't think they didn't commit to winning, just were incompetent in doing it.
- Buff36

Either way, there's no point in rehashing the foibles of the past. All they can do is focus on not creating new, worse mistakes. You either nail a trade or you don't make it

Either way, there's no point in rehashing the foibles of the past. All they can do is focus on not creating new, worse mistakes. You either nail a trade or you don't make it
- jcragcrumple

Can't agree more.

Is an 82 point C a Cap dump? Or a B prospect? Or a nice placeholder and vet to 0lay 1C until the kids hopefully push him down the lineup.

Is a 0.90pt/gm RW one if the same? If so, what is Reinhart?
- IonSabres

Zibanejad is a rental whom had his points inflated by Panarin.

Have we not learnt from Skinner what happens when you pay somebody based off of shooting at an unsustainable rate due to play with an elite talent ?

Don't think they didn't commit to winning, just were incompetent in doing it.
- Buff36

Botterill took a year off to "evaluate"
Adams took a year off to "evaluate", kicking every decision, except the bad ones, down the road 1 year.
That's 33% of Jack's career so far.

Say what you will, at least GMTM tried
-upgraded Goalie with someone who in fact turns out to be pretty good
-traded for a young, tough 1LW
-traded away a wussy to get a big, tough, physical Dman (too bad he was hurt 35% of the time)
-traded for a very, very good young two-way 2C to insulate a teenage elite C

Jez, come to think of it...sounds like the Sabres could use all of those pieces as they are still looking for the same.

Fvcking Botts couldn't land a 2C, didn't resolve having 324 RhD who were all redundant, didn't resolve have 6 LW's and virtually 1 RWs

Adams runs out on FA Day 1 to over pay Giggles, acquire a 5C in Eakin to play 3C, then pushes Ullmark right to UFA status, pushes Reinhart to Arb ellible for 1 year then to UFA status, fails to resolve Goalie situation, fires Krueger about 3 weeks too late.

JC, if I were Eichel and Sam I'd take out a Billboard with the two on their bike giving the 1 finger salute to Kerry and Tim.

Zibanejad is a rental whom had his points inflated by Panarin.

Have we not learnt from Skinner what happens when you pay somebody based off of shooting at an unsustainable rate due to play with an elite talent ?
- Pegullaville

Did Zibanejad (who I assume the Rangers would not include as it'll be Strome instead) play with Panarin the prior 2 seasons as well?

Zibanejad is a rental whom had his points inflated by Panarin.

Have we not learnt from Skinner what happens when you pay somebody based off of shooting at an unsustainable rate due to play with an elite talent ?
- Pegullaville

Alright, you have given it thought

What's your plan?