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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
Agreed, but this is going to test Adams' mettle to maximize the return.

Two things I believe whole heartedly;
- Packaging Olofsson with Jack should provide the best return possible. To do so, KA should hold 50% of Olo for a total package Cap hit of only $11.5m. In '19-20 they were on pace for 155pt /82 gms...and significantly improved the PP. Those are high value selling points.
- draft picks are devalued for two reasons; a) unless a top 5 this year, the '21 Draft is more of a crap shoot than most, and amplified by the Sabres low investment in scouting resources, b) prospects maybe be better in '22 and '23 but the acquiring team probably moves up the league and down the draft order.

So get a return of young players and A-level prospects (high probability of Top 6/ 1st or 2nd Pairings) in most cases. Picks should be the 4th asset acquired unless it is Anaheim's 1st in '21

- IonSabres


Or the Canucks 1st overall, as they've come up with a top 2 pick frequently when I've run the tankathon simulator.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
Don't know if you saw homie's trade with Arizona he put out a few days ago, but it could help us overall Dvorak Garland Chyuryn DK and go from there, it checks the boxes, might not be the perfect package but with the sum could make us better.
- Buff36


The Coyotes want Eichel badly.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

May 16 @ 9:54 AM ET
Interesting article I read yesterday, likely posted as a link on here yesterday...
Kings should target Sam not Eichel due to a) lower acquisition costs, b) Kings Prospect pool of C's.

Maybe Sam pulls a Vilardi / Turcotte / Fagemo out of them. Could they squeeze a 2nd asset out of them?

- IonSabres

https://thehockeywriters....bres-reinhart-not-eichel/
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

May 16 @ 9:54 AM ET
The test will be to see if Ovechkin can do that physically every game for the entire playoffs. At his age, it becomes progressively more difficult as each game goes by.

Game 1 is easy. Beyond is that is exponentially more difficult. It does help that he's a big, big guy (6'3 238 per the NHL website).

- kingcong39


Ove and Wilson led their wrecking crew in the last Cup run, but also had good support with lots of physical play from others that year.
Good, wear him down..I don't like The Caps at all
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

May 16 @ 9:54 AM ET
"How Don Granato's career path might fit what the Sabres need in a coach | Buffalo Sabres News | buffalonews.com" https://buffalonews.com/s...cc1-133fb89aafa2.amp.html
This guy gets Hockey

- Buff36

perfect yes man

would take the job on the cheap to offset paying ralph 4 mil for next year
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

May 16 @ 9:55 AM ET
They all fit the age range for sure and cover all the bases positionally.
I like all those guys, but doubt we get all that in a package..but maybe.

- IonSabres

give them olofsson if needed
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

May 16 @ 9:57 AM ET
perfect yes man

would take the job on the cheap to offset paying ralph 4 mil for next year

- homiedclown

Might be a yes man, but he knows hockey and seems to know how to fit a system with the player's he has available to him, which is big in my books.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 16 @ 10:01 AM ET
They all fit the age range for sure and cover all the bases positionally.
I like all those guys, but doubt we get all that in a package..but maybe.

- IonSabres


I think that deal with Arizona is close due to cap reasons.

Garland is predicted to get $4M+ per for 3 to 4 years on his next deal. That would mean the Sabres would be sending $10M to the Coyotes and taking back $18M, with Kuemper being a UFA after next season.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/coyotes
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

May 16 @ 10:02 AM ET
The Coyotes want Eichel badly.
- kingcong39


Let the games begin!
Add in CBJ, Detroit ...



But I'm told we get a Cap dump, 2 B Prospects , and maybe a pick.
So, I guess it would be
-Kessel or Brassard
-Lane Pederson
-Vlad Provolnev
-'22. 3rd

Not real bad for a guy who then revolts and goes to play in the KHL.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

May 16 @ 10:02 AM ET
I think that deal with Arizona is close due to cap reasons.

Garland is predicted to get $4M+ per for 3 to 4 years on his next deal. That would mean the Sabres would be sending $10M to the Coyotes and taking back $18M, with Kuemper being a UFA after next season.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/coyotes

- kingcong39

Which is a bonus, because they are still looking to cut payroll.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

May 16 @ 10:05 AM ET
Let the games begin!
Add in CBJ, Detroit ...



But I'm told we get a Cap dump, 2 B Prospects , and maybe a pick.
So, I guess it would be
-Kessel or Brassard
-Lane Pederson
-Vlad Provolnev
-'22. 3rd

Not real bad for a guy who then revolts and goes to play in the KHL.

- IonSabres

They will kick the tires, but can't see Detroit jumping in full fledged, Columbus is interesting, but we are probably looking at more draft picks, think they have 3 1st this year.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

May 16 @ 10:07 AM ET
perfect yes man

would take the job on the cheap to offset paying ralph 4 mil for next year

- homiedclown


Maybe cheaper, but that is a bad tag to hang on him.

It would be just like Kerry and Tim to pass him over while hiring a big name who leans on vets while the roster is reshaped into a bunch of kids and a couple vets looking for an easy job to ride into the sunset in a year or 2.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

May 16 @ 10:08 AM ET
https://thehockeywriters.com/kings-trade-target-sabres-reinhart-not-eichel/
- Buff36


Yup, thanks..it was a smart writer who never positioned possible returns to Buffalo.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

May 16 @ 10:09 AM ET
give them olofsson if needed
- homiedclown


That's my strategy for sure. Olo is useless with out Jack to carry the mail.
RedC21
Calgary Flames
Joined: 01.18.2013

May 16 @ 10:09 AM ET
Looking at possible destinations for Eichel if he is traded. Even if we don't get what we hope for, there are packages that can be put together that could help make us a better overall team. I don't really care if we get futures or picks, it would be nice. But we could get players in that 24- 27yr range that could help know and into the future while still building the pipeline.
- Buff36


I think that if Guerin has the balls to do it I would consider Minnesota to probably be the destination that makes the most sense. Out of the conference and closer to contending/more in need of a 1C than LA. If you were to say build a package off of Boldy(wild’s wing depth make him their most expendable top prospect) and dumba(likey to be lost to expansion if not moved + could be a great partner for Dahlin as the rebuild continues and young enough to stick around to contend) it could be the best return depending on what the Rangers/Kings may or may not be willing to part with.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

May 16 @ 10:14 AM ET
I think that if Guerin has the balls to do it I would consider Minnesota to probably be the destination that makes the most sense. Out of the conference and closer to contending/more in need of a 1C than LA. If you were to say build a package off of Boldy(wild’s wing depth make him their most expendable top prospect) and dumba(likey to be lost to expansion if not moved + could be a great partner for Dahlin as the rebuild continues and young enough to stick around to contend) it could be the best return depending on what the Rangers/Kings may or may not be willing to part with.
- RedC21

Minnesota could throw a decent deal together. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

May 16 @ 10:15 AM ET
I think that deal with Arizona is close due to cap reasons.

Garland is predicted to get $4M+ per for 3 to 4 years on his next deal. That would mean the Sabres would be sending $10M to the Coyotes and taking back $18M, with Kuemper being a UFA after next season.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/coyotes

- kingcong39

Throw in Olo hold 50%, get their 1st this year...oh wait, lol...how about Jan Jenik instead.

I'd be down with it...
Although, the real fun for me is watching the prospects develop...it's why I'd love to trade with the Kings and get...
Turcott
Kupari
Fagemo
Their 1st..to package with our 2nd to move up again.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

May 16 @ 10:17 AM ET
Throw in Olo hold 50%, get their 1st this year...oh wait, lol...how about Jan Jenik instead.

I'd be down with it...
Although, the real fun for me is watching the prospects develop...it's why I'd love to trade with the Kings and get...
Turcott
Kupari
Fagemo
Their 1st..to package with our 2nd to move up again.

- IonSabres

Watching Kupari the other night, that kid can fly, he would be interesting with Cozens
chilliard77
Location: NY
Joined: 08.23.2011

May 16 @ 10:29 AM ET
Re-sign Sam
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

May 16 @ 10:29 AM ET

That's my strategy for sure. Olo is useless with out Jack to carry the mail.

- IonSabres


Wasnt olo 2nd in scoring for the Sabres this season?

Mostly without Jack?

3 million next year is a value contract.

I do not believe we've seen olo peak yet in the nhl, so why trade him?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

May 16 @ 10:36 AM ET
Wasnt olo 2nd in scoring for the Sabres this season?

Mostly without Jack?

3 million next year is a value contract.

I do not believe we've seen olo peak yet in the nhl, so why trade him?

- Boss34

5 points in his last 11 games
similar 5 on 5 production from bjork, caggiula and asplund at the end of the season


if you can sell high, do it

if not no big deal IMO

IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

May 16 @ 10:37 AM ET
I think that if Guerin has the balls to do it I would consider Minnesota to probably be the destination that makes the most sense. Out of the conference and closer to contending/more in need of a 1C than LA. If you were to say build a package off of Boldy(wild’s wing depth make him their most expendable top prospect) and dumba(likey to be lost to expansion if not moved + could be a great partner for Dahlin as the rebuild continues and young enough to stick around to contend) it could be the best return depending on what the Rangers/Kings may or may not be willing to part with.
- RedC21


Would they do
Jack
Olofsson retain 50%
Thomas

4

Rossi
Fiala
Dumba
Boldy
Khovanov
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

May 16 @ 10:47 AM ET
5 points in his last 11 games
similar 5 on 5 production from bjork, caggiula and asplund at the end of the season


if you can sell high, do it

if not no big deal IMO

- homiedclown



I'd say 11 games on paper is a small sample size.

I think the Sabres would be making a mistake trading a guy who they picked late and groomed for 7 years, to give him up ...... for very little.

Best years could be ahead of him.

Drake caggiula 😀😀😀


Olo led the team in assists. Mostly without eichel, but drake caggiula is now the savior
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

May 16 @ 10:48 AM ET
Wasnt olo 2nd in scoring for the Sabres this season?

Mostly without Jack?

3 million next year is a value contract.

I do not believe we've seen olo peak yet in the nhl, so why trade him?

- Boss34


R2D2 replaces him on an ELC and us 3 years younger.
W/o Jack, 50 % of his goals and points vanish from the PP
He is a PP specialist with Jack gifting him wide open nets, w 3rd line production at EV
At soon to be 26 yo, I believe he largely is what he is...nothing wrong with that.

I'm counting on some GM being sold on Jack and Olo as a package that produced at 155pts / 82 ('19-'20) as what they'll get..therefore be willing to pay a high premium for it.

Sell high my friend, leverage what you have now realizing it changes dramatically when Jack packs his poop.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

May 16 @ 10:49 AM ET
I'd say 11 games on paper is a small sample size.

I think the Sabres would be making a mistake trading a guy who they picked late and groomed for 7 years, to give him up ...... for very little.

Best years could be ahead of him.

Drake caggiula 😀😀😀

- Boss34

I think 12 of us should bash olofsson for the next 4 years, daily

for lack of an autograph

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