I dont know much about him. Did he do that?
- Codes1087

I thought you were saying he knew about Cam Lawrence's great work.

Why was he fired if he did a good
Job and the team is in the playoffs?
- CanuckDon

He wasn't fired. Elliotte reporting panthers aren't renewing.

Probably similar to Ian Clarke

He's been around a long time...

Tony G: I think this may be the lowest the franchise has ever been... It has just been a fiasco.

(CHEK)

I thought you were saying he knew about Cam Lawrence's great work.
- manvanfan

Who is he? Bro, use names ffs lol.

I dont know cam lawrence at all, just reporting what is said.

I believe him and Ryan biech worked together prior. Don't know a ton about him, but I'm hearing he's a huge reason for the success in Florida.

I'm down to bring in someone who can find value in free agents and bring in guys like verhaege, duclair, etc. Rather than guys like beagle/LE/roussell
- Codes1087

i agree.

but who knows how this front office is structured with respect to analytics. if they bring in a new guy, it kinda means that they are overhauling (to some extent) the department.

Who is he? Bro, use names ffs lol.

I dont know cam lawrence at all, just reporting what is said.
- Codes1087

i think mini's point is that the canucks' organization is okay... they don't need anyone else or new. especially someone who has ever made a mistake. can't have someone like that in this management group. it would taint their pure unadulterated genius.

i agree.

but who knows how this front office is structured with respect to analytics. if they bring in a new guy, it kinda means that they are overhauling (to some extent) the department.
- RealityChecker

I thought I actually heard that Vancouver was one team who actually invests a ton into their analytics department. Makes me wonder why they continue to miss the mark so frequently.

Maybe an overhaul is what is needed?

I thought I actually heard that Vancouver was one team who actually invests a ton into their analytics department. Makes me wonder why they continue to miss the mark so frequently.

Maybe an overhaul is what is needed?
- Codes1087

hmmmm.......

me: now that the core is largely there and needs to develop, the focus on building the team will be more on trades/signings and pickups. therefore the team needs a GM that is better than JB at cap management and pro-scouting.

you: it's impossible to get good complementary players without overpaying. JB already tried that.

you're basically a battered woman who thinks that you're going to catch a beating no matter who you're with so it's better to stay with the devil you know.

it's okay, mini, not every GM sucks. there are even some out there that are pretty good at cap management, pro-scouting... and stuff.
- RealityChecker

You have always lived in a dream land to make your narratives work.

I never said every GM sucks, I even said If a good candidate came along, I would get rid of JB tomorrow. I'll go quote myself for you if you need. You can come up with another narrative again.

Do you think that Chris Gear was handed the cap role for a reason?

Who is he? Bro, use names ffs lol.

I dont know cam lawrence at all, just reporting what is said.
- Codes1087

You going to tell me that Friedman cared to write "Same guy who got marchessault, verhaeghe, duclair, all for a combined less cap hit than Tyler myers"

Link?

You have always lived in a dream land to make your narratives work.

I never said every GM sucks, I even said If a good candidate came along, I would get rid of JB tomorrow. I'll go quote myself for you if you need. You can come up with another narrative again.

Do you think that Chris Gear was handed the cap role for a reason?
- manvanfan

and you play the middle so it seems like you're being reasonable but you're just trying to take every side of the argument.

you have defended JB at every instance but after every defense, there's always a but... which is just a way for you take the opposite side of the position when you need to.

just like now: i like JB but i'd fire him for someone better.

really? well no sh!t, sherlock. everyone would agree with that. the point is what is your opinion on JB and his job thus far (full stop)? does he deserve to be fired or no? you think NO! so just say it and don't try to straddle the line.

as for chris gear? i don't know and NEITHER DO YOU! you can speculate all you want as to what everybody's role is within the organization but we don't know. what we do know is what actions the organization takes and how the team plays.

at the end of the day, the GM is held accountable for what goes on in the organization. you simply want to point to the good stuff and say that it's JB and make reasons/excuses for the other stuff.

what i'm saying is that it doesn't matter who is responsible for a decision, the buck stops with the GM.

and if you want to lay it on FA, then what's the point of having JB anyway? the guy is too weak to stand up to FA so can't do worse than a pansy yes man.

You going to tell me that Friedman cared to write "Same guy who got marchessault, verhaeghe, duclair, all for a combined less cap hit than Tyler myers"

Link?
- manvanfan

He didn't say that part. I separated the paragraph, thought I made it clear between the two

Hi,

New blog is up, with thoughts on the weekend games and why they still matter as we wait to see what the Canucks' organizational reckoning ultimately delivers.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...-weekend-games/194/111536

He's been around a long time...

Tony G: I think this may be the lowest the franchise has ever been... It has just been a fiasco.

(CHEK)
- VanHockeyGuy

Not even close. Not surprising as Tony couldn’t think 20 years ago

and you play the middle so it seems like you're being reasonable but you're just trying to take every side of the argument.

you have defended JB at every instance but after every defense, there's always a but... which is just a way for you take the opposite side of the position when you need to.

just like now: i like JB but i'd fire him for someone better.

really? well no sh!t, sherlock. everyone would agree with that. the point is what is your opinion on JB and his job thus far (full stop)? does he deserve to be fired or no? you think NO! so just say it and don't try to straddle the line.

as for chris gear? i don't know and NEITHER DO YOU! you can speculate all you want as to what everybody's role is within the organization but we don't know. what we do know is what actions the organization takes and how the team plays.

at the end of the day, the GM is held accountable for what goes on in the organization. you simply want to point to the good stuff and say that it's JB and make reasons/excuses for the other stuff.

what i'm saying is that it doesn't matter who is responsible for a decision, the buck stops with the GM.

and if you want to lay it on FA, then what's the point of having JB anyway? the guy is too weak to stand up to FA so can't do worse than a pansy yes man.

- RealityChecker

I don't pretend to know what goes on behind closed doors. You seem to think you've got a good handle on it though.

I can see a body of work and take in the good and bad. I'm not focused on one or the other like you seem to be. You are entirely focused on cap management.

This team hasn't drafted someone to become a core player since 2004. It's 2021. There had barely been a complimentary player drafted in a 10 year period.

Do I think JB should be fired yes or no? It's really not that simple, there are multiple factors to take into account that you are and I are not privy too.

Maybe Sakic should have been fired when Colorado tanked. Now they have a Presidents trophy and a dream team that most teams envy.

Maybe Tampa Bay or Washington don't fire their GM's and they never win cups.

Maybe the TML didn't make the right decision in letting Lou go.

One or the other doesn't guarantee success.

Body of work and direction of the team will decide that.

I don't pretend to know what goes on behind closed doors. You seem to think you've got a good handle on it though.

I can see a body of work and take in the good and bad. I'm not focused on one or the other like you seem to be. You are entirely focused on cap management.

This team hasn't drafted someone to become a core player since 2004. It's 2021. There had barely been a complimentary player drafted in a 10 year period.

Do I think JB should be fired yes or no? It's really not that simple, there are multiple factors to take into account that you are and I are not privy too.

Maybe Sakic should have been fired when Colorado tanked. Now they have a Presidents trophy and a dream team that most teams envy.

Maybe Tampa Bay or Washington don't fire their GM's and they never win cups.

Maybe the TML didn't make the right decision in letting Lou go.

One or the other doesn't guarantee success.

Body of work and direction of the team will decide that.
- manvanfan

'think' is the key word here.