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gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 18 @ 11:42 AM ET
Eichel for zegras, Manson, Gibson and a 2021 2nd.

Manson would really help develop dahlin.

Gibson can anchor a young team and allow them to make mistakes.

- Carubba-Kaleta


Thats not enough
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 18 @ 11:43 AM ET
.....Jani Hakanpaa is a pending UFA.
- BINGO!


Yes he is, I do know that.

My point is it was not the defenseman you automatically assumed it would be, and the Sabres would take additional cap back in Fast to even out the deal financially.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

May 18 @ 11:43 AM ET
thank you.


I'm sorry but that's nuts. Aho is the engine that drives the team, and he's missed 4 games due to injury in his career. Eichel joined the league a year earlier but has only played 9 more games.

Eichel is still the more talented player, and has a decent contract, but he's also a bigger risk and swapping out he and Aho has the potential to significantly disrupt team chemistry. Not sure you want to make a move like that at this point wen your contending window has just opened.

- BINGO!



Or maybe you DO want to make that move...(attempting Jedi mind trick)
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 18 @ 11:44 AM ET
Eichel >>>>> Aho

That's all I have to offer.

- RhinoFan


Then you haven't been paying attention.

Eichel > Aho, yes.

A million dollars worth more? Yeah probably.

But there's a lot of baggage and injuries that come with him.

Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

May 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
I don't know how you evaluate how these guys do their jobs. How do you definitively know whether or not a guy is good or needs to be replaced or upgraded? I think it's an interesting topic.
- TheSabresTaco

just watching their positioning, communication and transition says a lot about how far the defense has come...look at dahlin and how far he's come on the defensive side while tapping into all the skills that made him franchise draft pick...bryson looks good despite his lack of size and rookie mistakes...they're just playing better hockey...in addition, girardi is only a couple years removed from playing the game and the connection he has with these youngins is shining through
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
although it might seem as if i'm fully vested in an existential approach to this franchise, there is hope. Cozens, Mitts and Dahlin represent a good trio moving forward...skunks play post r lph was next level good...the farm system is beginning to fill up with some good prospects and those who made the jump to the nhl look prepared for their roles at this level...and granato looks like a top-notch developmental head coach...

that said, can anyone in their right minds trust any of the pegula's moves?...kevyn adams may work out...how he handles the big three will be a litmus test as will the draft and his free agent acquisitions...

color me skeptical...and happy i don't have to write a blog about those knuckleheads up top and their team on an almost daily basis

- Michael Pachla


By the big three do you mean Risto, Reinhart and Eichel or the prospects? It would stand to reason that their returns are probably the most crucial part of this rebuild. Sorry if that's what you meant.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 18 @ 11:46 AM ET
Then you haven't been paying attention.
- BINGO!


I like aho but i would agree switch teams and jack wins easily
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 18 @ 11:47 AM ET
Then you haven't been paying attention.
- BINGO!


Question, if their teams were switched, how many points would each respective player get?

Aho-60
Eichel-100+

Doubt that assessment? If so, I would say you aren't paying attention. If you agree, then I think I'm spot on.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

May 18 @ 11:47 AM ET
By the big three do you mean Risto, Reinhart and Eichel or the prospects? It would stand to reason that their returns are probably the most crucial part of this rebuild. Sorry if that's what you meant.
- RhinoFan

jack, skunk and viking55
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

May 18 @ 11:48 AM ET
Rather send him to a bottom team like LA or ducks and get a lottery pick next year
- gerbe75pts


For sure. Gotta explore every avenue though.


Carubba-Kaleta
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2013

May 18 @ 11:48 AM ET
Thats not enough
- gerbe75pts

A top 5 goalie a top prospect and a top paring dman. Plus a high 2nd. I'd say that's pretty close, you wont get much more.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 18 @ 11:48 AM ET
Thats not enough
- gerbe75pts



Im all ears for what you think EIchel brings back.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 18 @ 11:48 AM ET
jack, skunk and viking55
- Michael Pachla


Then no argument. We need to take someone to the cleaners. I'm hoping for LA too, Doughty's comments seem to have ruffled some feathers, maybe they pull the trigger on Turcotte to sweeten the deal and get it done.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 18 @ 11:50 AM ET
Then you haven't been paying attention.

Eichel > Aho, yes.

A million dollars worth more? Yeah probably.

But there's a lot of baggage and injuries that come with him.

- BINGO!


Buffalo fans think they are going to get
2 top End prospects
multiple picks
High top end roster player

Its never going to happen. So many people are going to be disappointed.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 18 @ 11:50 AM ET
Question, if their teams were switched, how many points would each respective player get?

Aho-60
Eichel-100+

Doubt that assessment? If so, I would say you aren't paying attention. If you agree, then I think I'm spot on.

- RhinoFan


Does Eichel stay healthy long enough to put in 100 points?

And, honest question because I do not know, does Jack kill penalties?
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 18 @ 11:51 AM ET
Buffalo fans think they are going to get
2 top End prospects
multiple picks
High top end roster player

Its never going to happen. So many people are going to be disappointed.

- ImThatGuy


And yet this poster said yes, Aho for Eichel makes sense.

Isn't that more than you've been saying they'll get for Eichel?
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 18 @ 11:51 AM ET
And yet this poster said yes, Aho for Eichel makes sense.

Isn't that more than you've been saying they'll get for Eichel?

- kingcong39

Nope.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

May 18 @ 11:52 AM ET
Does Eichel stay healthy long enough to put in 100 points?

And, honest question because I do not know, does Jack kill penalties?

- BINGO!


I did try to tell them last night that the gap is not as big as they make think it is.

Eichel is the better player but we’re talking about trading a top 5 C for a top 10 C.

Aho is also a weapon short handed.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 18 @ 11:52 AM ET
Does Eichel stay healthy long enough to put in 100 points?

And, honest question because I do not know, does Jack kill penalties?

- BINGO!


Yes regarding health.

He is frequently out for the last 30 seconds or so of the PK.
Carubba-Kaleta
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2013

May 18 @ 11:52 AM ET
Buffalo fans think they are going to get
2 top End prospects
multiple picks
High top end roster player

Its never going to happen. So many people are going to be disappointed.

- ImThatGuy

Yea my trade scenario is a dream.

Any GM trading for him is likely only giving up a top prospect a cap dump and a 1st.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 18 @ 11:53 AM ET
I like aho but i would agree switch teams and jack wins easily
- gerbe75pts


Oh yeah like don't get me wrong Jack's an incredible talent. I just don't know that, at this stage, a deal like that makes sense.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 18 @ 11:53 AM ET
Buffalo fans think they are going to get
2 top End prospects
multiple picks
High top end roster player

Its never going to happen. So many people are going to be disappointed.

- ImThatGuy


My reaction was to a 1to1 or close to it trade with CAR for Aho. Jack is a better player and we aren't taking a 1for1 downgrade. By all means go off though.
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

May 18 @ 11:53 AM ET
That’s entirely different than saying he’s the sole reason we lose. Come on.

This debate is so futile.

Provide evidence he isn’t as bad as we’ve claimed?

He’s a bad hockey player, and you might like him. Sorry his terrible play leads to a lot of commentary on it.

It’s not me losing sleep over anything

- sbroads24


You say hes a bad hockley player yet... hes in the NHL and your complaining about him from your computer.... AGAIN.

He'll be gone sooner than later stop female dogging.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 18 @ 11:55 AM ET
Yes regarding health.

He is frequently out for the last 30 seconds or so of the PK.

- kingcong39


He's made it through two full seasons in his career, if you count the 68 game shortened year as "Full"
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 18 @ 11:55 AM ET
Yea my trade scenario is a dream.

Any GM trading for him is likely only giving up a top prospect a cap dump and a 1st.

- Carubba-Kaleta


I think they'll get a bit more than that.

My Idea was
Strome (Cap purposes plus good 2nd line center)
Laf (Top end prospect)
Miller (Good D prospect)
Buch (Cap purposes Good winger)
Georgiev
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